On November 28 2010 07:47 Stratos_speAr wrote:
There are strategies that revolve around the exploitation of bugs because they have become an integral part of play.

That is true in the case of BW. But it still doesn't prove that you must rely on bugs to make sc2 as interesting as BW. I hope you agree that if they can achieve the same level of interesting gameplay without gimmicks as with gimmicks, then they should do it without gimmicks.

If they can't, then I would consider SC2 a failure. They had 10 years to observe e-sports and try to design a game with e-sports and competitive gameplay in mind.

Perscienter

957 Posts

November 27 2010 23:00 GMT

#43

Where do you get an advantage from this, anyway? Now, that everyone knows this bug the players will know that the opponent might manage to sneak in a probe.

Btw, the defending player microed wrong. What is so difficult about keeping one stalker alive? Why does he chase a probe into the cannons?

Just build up your stalker force and snipe building cannons.

leakingpear

United Kingdom302 Posts

November 27 2010 23:03 GMT

#44

On November 28 2010 08:00 Perscienter wrote:
Where do you get an advantage from this, anyway? No, that everyone knows this bug the players will know that the opponent might manage to sneak in a probe..

Uh you can get vision of above the ramp so your cannons can hit things even way after you've lost your initial probe that put them down, it's not some tiny inconsequential advantage, it has real game applications that can totally swing games.

Keiras

Czech Republic57 Posts

November 27 2010 23:03 GMT

#45

As always with such a feature I say leave it in, see how it plays out and if after a month or two people still claim it's terribly broken, then start thinking how to solve that.

Anyway, fun facts from testing this. It is possible for a probe to slide through as many buildings of the same player as needed in order to get out on some free space. It always prefer the shortest way to the first empty place nearby. If there are enemy buildings in the way, it will try to slide around them or it will stuck inside the building field, if there is no way out via own buildings.

Perscienter

957 Posts

November 27 2010 23:07 GMT

#46

On November 28 2010 07:40 BrickTop wrote:

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Almost all strategy games try to model some kind of 'real' battle, so they try to model the laws of physics (in a sci-fi sense), etc, so we don't end up with some weird game with completely arbitrary and counterintuitive rules.

A probe jumping over obstacles does not make sense at all and is obviously a bug in the sense that is a probably unintended 'feature' that is caused by sloppy handling of a probe's position after it builds something. It does not correspond to anything real (in the starcraft universe). So from this point of view, this is definitely a bug and should be fixed.

According to this text the whole game needs to be fixed. ^^

On November 28 2010 08:03 leakingpear wrote:

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How do you lose your initial probe before the first stalker?

lyAsakura

United States1414 Posts

November 27 2010 23:11 GMT

#47

Probes are simply overpowered, nuff said.

Veritassong

Canada393 Posts

November 27 2010 23:12 GMT

#48

of course they should remove it in the next patch, cuz every patch needs to nerf toss remember?

seriously though, no. there's a price for it, toss pays 25 minerals every time. so do you think making a bunker at the zerg's FE location and salvaging it before it gets destroyed and get 100% money back is intended? i think not.

keep it as is

DeckOneBell

United States526 Posts

November 27 2010 23:14 GMT

#49

I agree with the posters who said it wasn't a bug. It's not. It's just how probes deal with being forced to build in an area that causes wherever they occupy to no longer be accessible.

And since I don't believe it's a bug, I don't think Blizzard will do anything about it, unless it becomes extremely abusive.

Not really a big deal.

CrazyF1r3f0x

United States2120 Posts

November 27 2010 23:20 GMT

#50

It adds color imo, and isn't such a big exploit that it could break the game too be honest.

PerQ

Sweden48 Posts

November 27 2010 23:21 GMT

#51

This should NOT be patched! As most of you already said, this makes watching pros play more fun! ^^ But it was a good thread becouse I didn't know about it! :D

DuckS

United States845 Posts

November 27 2010 23:22 GMT

#52

Question : If Blizz does fix this 'bug', what exactly would happen to the probe if you tried to do the same trick that was displayed in the replay? Where else should the probe go? I like how everyone claims that this is a bug, when it's just part of the probe's design. How about evo blocking your opponents natural by abusing your canceled hatchery? How come no one cries bug to that?

MassHysteria

United States3678 Posts

November 27 2010 23:26 GMT

#53

If this was also the same in Broodwar, like so many people on this thread have said, then I am sure Blizzard would have known about it and changed it, if they so wished to do... so obviously they did not want to change that for SC2!

Just my 2 cents...but hey what about the Overlord trick for zergs? Can't we fix that?

Perscienter

957 Posts

November 27 2010 23:28 GMT

#54

Btw, when will the Americans fix their broken English skills? Seriously, why do people have to dig into two different english styles, aka Oxford British English and American Retarded English. I don't get it.

User was warned for this post

aimaimaim

Philippines2167 Posts

November 27 2010 23:31 GMT

#55

schmuk noobs QQing again? will this ever end?

Hoejja with his zerglings back from Desti against Bisu
Flash and silver with their nasty tricks on monty hall
those funny games from Outsider and Medusa ..

Zelniq

United States7166 Posts

November 27 2010 23:34 GMT

#56

i think some people in this thread are confused. he's not talking bout canceling a pylon in order to get in, he's talking about hugging the ramp + pylon corner with a probe, then warping in a pylon behind the probe to glitch it through the ramp. then you cancel that pylon of course

it's the same glitch as it was in bw except it only works on the edges of a ramp, and you can always get it through on your first attempt

Patriot.dlk

Sweden5462 Posts

November 27 2010 23:34 GMT

#57

I have no good argument for why it should be removed and I have not really seen a good one for why it should stay. To me it feels out of place in this game but obviously it's comes down to personal taste.

FabledIntegral

United States9232 Posts

November 27 2010 23:36 GMT

#58

It does in fact make cannon rushes incredibly more powerful.

DooMDash

United States1015 Posts

November 27 2010 23:39 GMT

#59

hah nice the replay is at BR.com.