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This is so amazingly good and useful.
It's astonishing to me how something like this has been in the game for so long and not been used or commonly known about.
What's worse is, this thread makes me feel like a *beepin* idiot, because.. Well, (I want to write the following in all caps but that's bad forum etiquette, so just imagine it in capital letters) I have been splitting my workers at the start of every game for the past 3 months using this method!! Yet, I never thought of using it to split my workers during harass... I'm astounded by my own stupidity.
I just went ingame and tried this out for a bit and you can really perfectly split a fully saturated base effectively in just a few seconds, and it's mindnumbingly easy to pull off.
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If this gets adopted, which it really should, it could entirely change harassment as we know it. Especially from Banelings and Hellions. This is one of the neatest tricks since mineral boosting 
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Almisael
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On November 28 2010 05:35 t3tsubo wrote:whoa how is it that this thread gets so much attention but that thread is still on page 1? Its the exact same technique lol, except someone came up with it a month ago and it got no attention
as ayadew mentioned, this thread is timed better because right now a lot of people are facepalming at the thought of hellions killing 30+ workers.
i just wanted to point out that this method has been "known" for quite some time and never been used in competitive play yet (as far as i know).
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there was a way where you grab all probes and tell them to patroll really close to where they are, like when spassing them out, they will all disperse for some odd reason making it harder for that splash
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i got a nice anti-hellion tactic, too!
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/aBHvF.png)
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if you're going to hold f1 down it will recenter your scvs so you will need to click the minimap
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On November 29 2010 02:48 mAgixWTF wrote:i got a nice anti-hellion tactic, too!
that's the dumbest thing I've heard.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On November 28 2010 02:42 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 01:13 Spiffeh wrote:
Right after boxing them you may want to bind them to 9 or 0 to make it easier to start mining again. you can also press crtl+f1 to select all the idle workers after the harass. Does anyone know if its possible to cycle thru units in a control group in order to, say, split lings against helions in a similar manner?
Not sure if this has been answered yet,..
You can cycle through units in a control group by pressing TAB.
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Awesome, love how people are still finding new ways to do even simple things like saving workers.
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1.6 diamond. Last night, 3-4hellions without blue flame running inside my base. I do this trick and lose 1-3 drones XD That terran should be amaze of my epic spreading skill. It's like watch foxer do marines splits 
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I posted a quick tutorial on how to do this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHHw43GsnFM
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As a terran, I disapprove of this thread!
Nah, but seriously, awesome stuff
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I did this in a game earlier and it worked amazingly. Thanks bro ^_^
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On November 28 2010 15:43 Severian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 15:41 caelym wrote:
wouldn't it be helpful to add in a hotkey right after the first f1 press? that way you can retrieve your probes easily after scattering them. You can press Ctrl-F1 to select all of your idle workers, or you can Ctrl-click to select all workers on the screen. A hotkey would work too, of course, but it's a little slower.
I've seen this a few times in the thread so far and its really starting to annoy me.
Control+F1 to select all the workers and start mining again WILL NOT WORK.
Wait, what? IT WILL NOT WORK
Why? Because while your doing the f1 spread, they will NOT be idle, because they will be doing what you want them to do, which is move. Therefore, if you want to be able to start mining again before you've lost so much time that losing your workers would be better (exaggeration), you SHOULD hotkey your workers.
So,
1. Box/control-click all workers and press S
2. Hotkey to anything you want, 9 and 0 are the most ideal but its still a pain to reach that far. Just replace your nexus/hatch/cc hotkey with the probes - you can always rehotkey that without any problems.
3. Click on your nexus (i forget who, but some TL admin posted this before, and its a good tip to not completely fuck up your spread)
4. Do the F1 thingy and click everywhere
5. Move your army back to your base
6. When the hellions are gone, click the hotkey for em and send em back to mine (don't forget gas xD)
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On November 29 2010 07:44 Warp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2010 15:43 Severian wrote:On November 28 2010 15:41 caelym wrote:
wouldn't it be helpful to add in a hotkey right after the first f1 press? that way you can retrieve your probes easily after scattering them. You can press Ctrl-F1 to select all of your idle workers, or you can Ctrl-click to select all workers on the screen. A hotkey would work too, of course, but it's a little slower. I've seen this a few times in the thread so far and its really starting to annoy me. Control+F1 to select all the workers and start mining again WILL NOT WORK. Wait, what? IT WILL NOT WORKWhy? Because while your doing the f1 spread, they will NOT be idle, because they will be doing what you want them to do, which is move. Therefore, if you want to be able to start mining again before you've lost so much time that losing your workers would be better (exaggeration), you SHOULD hotkey your workers. So, 1. Box/control-click all workers and press S 2. Hotkey to anything you want, 9 and 0 are the most ideal but its still a pain to reach that far. Just replace your nexus/hatch/cc hotkey with the probes - you can always rehotkey that without any problems. 3. Click on your nexus (i forget who, but some TL admin posted this before, and its a good tip to not completely fuck up your spread) 4. Do the F1 thingy and click everywhere 5. Move your army back to your base 6. When the hellions are gone, click the hotkey for em and send em back to mine (don't forget gas xD)
F1 will definitely work.
Once you do the tactic your workers will idle again. You can then do the F1 mine combination to multi-select. It helps avoid grabbing things like lings, roaches, queens, or other workers already on gas. If you box the units you're going to get all of that. The best thing to do is to just do the shift select on one worker if you don't mind fussing around with getting workers back on gas.
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On November 29 2010 07:47 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 07:44 Warp wrote:On November 28 2010 15:43 Severian wrote:On November 28 2010 15:41 caelym wrote:
wouldn't it be helpful to add in a hotkey right after the first f1 press? that way you can retrieve your probes easily after scattering them. You can press Ctrl-F1 to select all of your idle workers, or you can Ctrl-click to select all workers on the screen. A hotkey would work too, of course, but it's a little slower. I've seen this a few times in the thread so far and its really starting to annoy me. Control+F1 to select all the workers and start mining again WILL NOT WORK. Wait, what? IT WILL NOT WORKWhy? Because while your doing the f1 spread, they will NOT be idle, because they will be doing what you want them to do, which is move. Therefore, if you want to be able to start mining again before you've lost so much time that losing your workers would be better (exaggeration), you SHOULD hotkey your workers. So, 1. Box/control-click all workers and press S 2. Hotkey to anything you want, 9 and 0 are the most ideal but its still a pain to reach that far. Just replace your nexus/hatch/cc hotkey with the probes - you can always rehotkey that without any problems. 3. Click on your nexus (i forget who, but some TL admin posted this before, and its a good tip to not completely fuck up your spread) 4. Do the F1 thingy and click everywhere 5. Move your army back to your base 6. When the hellions are gone, click the hotkey for em and send em back to mine (don't forget gas xD) F1 will definitely work. Once you do the tactic your workers will idle again. You can then do the F1 mine combination to multi-select. It helps avoid grabbing things like lings, roaches, queens, or other workers already on gas. If you box the units you're going to get all of that. The best thing to do is to just do the shift select on one worker if you don't mind fussing around with getting workers back on gas.
Why use the hotkeys? Once the harass is over, just ctrl+f1 (select all idle workers) and send them back to mine, then peel off the ones you need on gas.
Yes it won't work while they're moving, but how far are you sending them? They should get there in just a couple seconds.
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I prefer using hotkeys. I mean, I use hotkeys for everything anyway
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On November 29 2010 08:17 CherubDown wrote:
I prefer using hotkeys. I mean, I use hotkeys for everything anyway
.....Please explain what you mean by using hotkeys, your post is not nonsensical and does not contribute to the thread. How do you hotkey them? How do you use the hotkeys when the harass begins? What technique do you use with the hotkeys that makes it more efficient than the F1 method? Please put at least some effort into your posts.
On another, more helpful note:
I believe this technique will really help against Banelings in every MU, in particular zvz. All zerg players have had the horror of watching slow banelings stroll into their mineral line, and since baneling splash works as a circular AoE, this technique could save a lot of workers from being killed. SInce you should already have all drones hotkeyed so that they are easy to grab IF lings get in the mineral line and you need to fight them, this combined with the F1 spread will make drone fighting or spreading and then returning them to mining that much more efficient/quicker.
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On November 29 2010 09:09 GhoSt[shield] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 08:17 CherubDown wrote:
I prefer using hotkeys. I mean, I use hotkeys for everything anyway .....Please explain what you mean by using hotkeys, your post is not nonsensical and does not contribute to the thread. How do you hotkey them? How do you use the hotkeys when the harass begins? What technique do you use with the hotkeys that makes it more efficient than the F1 method? Please put at least some effort into your posts. On another, more helpful note: I believe this technique will really help against Banelings in every MU, in particular zvz. All zerg players have had the horror of watching slow banelings stroll into their mineral line, and since baneling splash works as a circular AoE, this technique could save a lot of workers from being killed. SInce you should already have all drones hotkeyed so that they are easy to grab IF lings get in the mineral line and you need to fight them, this combined with the F1 spread will make drone fighting or spreading and then returning them to mining that much more efficient/quicker.
I posted the YouTube video above. What more do I need to explain?
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