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United States1071 Posts
On January 05 2011 10:23 TazzDingo wrote: Any proof that Effka is in fact a girl and not just a troll? No idea, I actually find it quite unbelievable that she's so good. What are the chances that a TINY TINY player population pool contains such a good player? Very small. | ||
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ArdentZeal
Germany155 Posts
http://www.esl.eu/eu/female/sc2/cups/sc2goesfemale3/player/5428599/ | ||
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Sigmur
Poland497 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
I'm a fan. The interview with is lpp is hillarious, lpp has trouble speaking and Effkas english is poor :D | ||
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vali
Netherlands59 Posts
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MerciLess
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
The Daily 'facebook causes cancer' Mail. In seriousness though, I think a lot of females are just less competitive. I know girl gamers but I sincerely doubt they could ever be convinced to take up SC2. | ||
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nK)Duke
Germany936 Posts
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TheRecliner
Sweden103 Posts
Would be nice with a more in depth interview with her, about practice habits and what not and if she does something different than the norm when approaching the game or if shes just mass gaming or what not. | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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loosecanon
United Kingdom2 Posts
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crimsonsentinel
United States179 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:44 sleepingdog wrote: So why are there many successful female athletes in "other" sports then? Pages ago, but aside from tennis and golf, what other sport are women even remotely close to earning as much money as men? They are maybe more successful in gymnastics and figure skating in terms of fame, but those sports have no money in them. | ||
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-Xios
England79 Posts
I believe a general lack of female competitive gamers is down to the basic differences between the male and female mind. Games like starcraft, or any other fps, rts or tbs games involve a high requirement for quick reflex thinking involving spatial awareness, and situational and strategical thinking. This is much more in keeping with the male psyche, based predominantly around thinking in terms of systems of logic and inter-relating aspects of things. Whereas the female psyche is much more based around matters of human interrelations, emotion and expressiveness. To solidify this point, it has actually been proven that the male and female minds have even at a neurological level these basic differences in nature: "One of the most interesting differences appear in the way men and women estimate time, judge speed of things, carry out mental mathematical calculations, orient in space and visualize objects in three dimensions, etc. In all these tasks, women and men are strikingly different, as they are too in the way their brains process language. This may account, scientists say, for the fact that there are many more male mathematicians, airplane pilots, bush guides, mechanical engineers, architects and race car drivers than female ones. On the other hand, women are better than men in human relations, recognizing emotional overtones in others and in language, emotional and artistic expressiveness, aesthetic appreciation, verbal language and carrying out detailed and pre-planned tasks." Observing this point in respect to the gaming culture in general, 'competitive' games will naturally appeal to the male populous as these types of games are most often based on some form of dynamic, robust system of interdependent specifics, requiring ongoing calculative assessment by the player to manage properly. The basic nature of this design will reward the male mind for performing well at the game. For it is within the basic nature of men to find being competent at these tasks rewarding. On the other hand females will not find this sort of engagement appealing as they find dealing with the nature of such games more difficult, especially in the naturally competitive environment of a multiplayer scenario requiring a higher level of competence overall, ergo the cost (stress increase while playing) will far outweigh the reward for women so they stay away from these types of culture in favor of playing games more in keeping with their specific motivations for entertainment. Games like the Sims involve tasks that women will find much more rewarding to carry out: "empathy, verbal skills, social skills and security-seeking" not to mentioned the before quoted " ...carrying out detailed and pre-planned tasks." All of these things are clear correlations between the female mind and games that are more popular in the female gaming community. While: "independence, dominance, spatial and mathematical skills and rank-related aggression" are also correlations between the male mind and the nature of the male gaming community. As you can see there are many elements in games men find appealing that do the exact opposite to women, for various reasons. Which is why we two types tend to play distinctly different types of games and have developed different cultures around them In my opinion though it is this basic underlying nature of raw competition driving the male gaming community that deters women the most, while at the same time drives the male community to become much more structured and ultimately more highly skilled and professional than that of an equivalent female gaming community. As it is the basic nature of competition that pushes the overall skill level of any form of collaborative effort. Which in itself further increases the difficulty or basic plausibility of women entering to any large degree communities surrounding games like starcraft as the skill level required already falls above what is in large applicable from female gaming ability, nor is it particularly appealing to them. So a rift exists. Do not think women do not play games, they arguably play as much as men but they play games of a different nature and of a different culture to ones such as this which is why you will hardly come across female starcraft players, ergo have any high level female starcraft pros performing in tournaments. -Xios. [ ~ Quote source: http://www.cerebromente.org.br/n11/mente/eisntein/cerebro-homens.html ] | ||
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TazzDingo
Germany502 Posts
On January 05 2011 21:26 nK)Duke wrote: it's just because womens are less likely to be fuckiny skinny nerds well, women love being skinny, many of em are half-way there already. all they have to do is NERD-UP... like effka. Srsly, just look at her esl profile... doesn't look healthy at all. | ||
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ennaenna
Australia1 Post
I also feel guilty if I spend too much time playing, I think it is partly social expectations and partly me knowing how many things need to get done in the house. I would ask those who play competatively how much of the work around the house you do? Is someone in your house picking up a bit of the slack? Even before we had the kids, and we were both working the same hours of paid work, I still did the vast majority of housework, so I never felt like I had enough time to commit to playing computer games competatively. I have constantly got a list of things that I shoud be doing in my head, so spending hours on the computer, means allot of things would fall behind. I read a comment asking why if women are meant to be multitaskers, why arent they better at gaming, I kind of think that If I am playing games on the computer, it stops me multitasking, its a case of priority, I could either multitask on the computer, or I could multitask in real life and feed my family (including my husband, who is probably playing starcraft , wash their clothes, clean the house, mow the lawn.... and the list goes on. Now that we have kids, I dont think its fair on them to be on the computer all the time. In terms of competativeness, that some beleive that women dont have. I disagree, I have always been competative, and I get a great kick out of winning just as much as my husband. He also learnt not to ask me to be a medic because I would much rather be playing in a role that I can go and kill things, than sit behind and heal others. I also think that most computer games are marketed to males, almost all of the female characters that you see in computer games are near naked and have their boobs hanging out, so where males might enjoy that, it kind of puts me off. By the way I have never liked sims either, I have enough people and pets to take care of in my own life, I dont need to sit on a computer at the end of the day and do virtual cleaning and cooking. Thats all I have time to write as my daughter is crying, real life is interrupting. | ||
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SPACETIME
Canada48 Posts
I think there are more social pressures on girls to be beautiful/superficial. When I was in junior high school I stopped caring about that b.s. so I hung out with my guy friends and geeked out. I'm so glad I did, because I never had any female friends that wanted to play RTS games with me before. I do feel like there is something different going on in guy's heads compared to girls (like what Xios was saying about the stress vs. reward) but its not as huge as it seems. Most girls don't get fed video games as much as guys do when they're young, so they're not already acquainted with the games by the time the guys are good at it, and that makes it more difficult (and even scary) to try to break into playing, especially competitively. And to ennaenna's post above me...WHY are you doing all the housework and child-rearing while your husband plays SC? I really don't understand what makes people think that women have to have a martyr-like role as a mother figure. If the husband finds time to play games, can't you make him do the dishes while you play games sometimes? Sorry, I just really don't get that. Also, there's probably more girls playing real games (ie. not The Sims) than you realise, but its a bit awkward for a girl to make herself known in a game. Either she has to say "hey everyone I'm a girl" which is demeaning and pointless, or she just keeps quiet. I have met several SC friends online that think I'm a guy for sure. | ||
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SPACETIME
Canada48 Posts
I'm not a mom, so I can't comment fully in that regard. But I do like to keep my apartment looking nice and make sure I have enough proper things to eat in my fridge (which requires going grocery shopping etc) and obviously to pay for that I have to work. The guys that I've known that have dedicated themselves to be amazing at a game have neglected some part of their life. Whether it was social (RL social, not online social) stuff they gave up (or didnt have to begin with) or if it was more to do with home stuff (keeping house clean, groceries etc), whatever it was, they gave up something. I don't think most girls are prepared to spend copious amounts of time behind their computer screen while the pepsi cans and chip bags add up in their room. Though I've done it  | ||
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
The variance among males is simply higher. This is true regardless of where you look: math, cooking, sports, playing games. The very best and the very worst are always males. If all cultural barriers were removed there would surely be a lot more female players in diamond and masters. But the tournaments would almost always end with a male winner. That's just how it is. | ||
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Linkirvana
Netherlands365 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
I think the advantage that guys have in playing games due to their higher visual aptitude can be overcome with practice, but there simply aren't enough girls that desire to be competitive in starcraft. You can also say things like "Why aren't there any 50 year old pro gamers?" or "Why aren't there many japanese pro gamers?" and "Why are there so many awesome swedish pro gamers?". It's a combination of cultural expectations, etc. This is why I think it would be cool to have specialized leagues for girls and for young people (under 16) and older people (over 35) to encourage more people to play. We already have leagues based on nationality and geography, we should just extend it. | ||
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