EPTDiscussing the lack of top female starcraft gamers - Page 2
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Achilles
Canada385 Posts
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OTIX
Sweden491 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:48 Nizaris wrote: Plenty of women play FarmVille or WoW. Isn't the best selling pc game ever (The Sims) a game mostly for womens ? Exactly, a large fraction of the WoW playerbase is female. However if you look at competitive PvP in WoW there are virtually no females at all. I think the extreme competitiveness of Sc2 is the reason why there are so few women playing. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:50 Piledriver wrote: The same reason why Chess tournaments are organized separately for men and women. From what I read, the number of women taking up Chess as a career is smaller and hence the average skill level is also lower, with a few exceptions (Judith Polgar comes to mind). It has nothing to do with gender - just the lower sample size , and consequently lower standards. I would assume that the same reason would apply to starcraft as well. Judith Polgar is a pretty bad example for a woman that "took up Chess". Her father was a chessteacher who homeschooled her from her early childhood in mostly chess, as an experiment for his thesis that "geniuses are made, not born". Consequently, she wasn't affected at all by any kind of gender stereotypes. On November 19 2010 23:59 OTIX wrote: Exactly, a large fraction of the WoW playerbase is female. However if you look at competitive PvP in WoW there are virtually no females at all. I think the extreme competitiveness of Sc2 is the reason why there are so few women playing. I don't know if there is data on this, but I would guess the percentage of female players for WoW has gone up over the years. I played WoW just after it was released, and at that point finding an actual female was still considered rare. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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DizzyDrone
Netherlands629 Posts
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1022062/Why-men-conquer-Xbox.html | ||
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chakk
England43 Posts
id assume the difference in hormones could affect male or female ability to practice for 8-10 hours a day. especially if you have a very bad losing streak. if you watch day[9] episode 100 the emotional strain of attempting to be a progamer is quite high. | ||
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Dagobert
Netherlands1858 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:54 Stuv wrote: Girls dont play RTS like boys dont play with ponies. Its really as simple as that, I dont think you need to look for complicated reasons. Do you know how awesome ponies are? If you had ridden one as a child, you wouldn't be talking smack about em!  | ||
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Accer
Korea (South)319 Posts
On the other hand I don't really agree with the stereotype theory, many woman play video games today. The numbers of older woman gamers (like 30+) is significantly smaller than the number of older male game gamers, but for the younger age groups its close to 40/50 now. In my classes, which are typically 75%+ woman, I regularly see girls playing games. Usually its the more casual stuff like flash games, or i-phone games, but I've seen more than a few L4D and TF2 out there, and remember these girls are playing it publicly in class so I don't really buy the whole "culturally unacceptable" bit, at least among the younger generations (18-29ish). I will admit though that a lot of girls hid their gaming habits during high school, I imagine there is probably a lot of pressure against games there, though to be fair there was also a lot of pressure against guys playing games as well, at least when I went. (Also, everything I'm stating is just from personal experience, I don't have any resources to quote and maybe things are drastically different here than in other places, though I doubt that) As for why Starcraft itself isn't popular amongst woman? I'd have to say it's because of how competitive it is. This in itself is a stereotype I guess, but almost every female gamer I've met hates player vs player competition. Back when I played WoW the guild I was in was built around older gamers, I was considerably young being 19 at the time since the majority were in their late twenties, early thirties. We had a large amount of woman in our guild as a result that most of the guys had wives (many with children) or girlfriends who played regularly as well, this in itself brought in other woman gamers looking for female company, so in the end we had lots of girls playing and raiding with us. Almost all of them loved raiding because of the social aspect of it, and a lot of them also really enjoyed the casual aspects of the game, collecting pets, doing quests, making gold, and anything else that could be done whilst chatting to the other members. I only know of a single female wow gamer who enjoyed pvp, the rest just didn't like the comparativeness of it all. When a large portion of my guild moved over to SC2 at release none of the woman changed over with us, they simply had no interest in RTS games where the focus is to play against other players. As I said earlier, this is just merely my personal experience with female gamers, it is quite possible my experiences are the exception and not the rule, but judging by what others have written, I think it's pretty close to the norm. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:44 sleepingdog wrote: So why are there many successful female athletes in "other" sports then? And give me a break, when women are stereotypically into makeup and gossip then men are into cars and bodybuilding....gender stereotypes go both ways, there's not really a stereotype that includes playing sc2 competitively. I don't really get it either, why competitive gaming seems not to be appealing to women at all. No there are nearly no successful female athletes in other sports that could compete with men, they have their own separate competitions. In some cases there are direct biological reasons. In e-sports there are in my opinion non-direct, but still mostly biological reasons, women basically do not have the same passion for direct competition as men. And I mean that statistically, which means there is smaller pool of women gamers to begin with, so much smaller chance of any rising to the top. There might also be other biological factors, like worse strategic thinking etc., but there might not, I don't know of any conclusive evidence. Social factors also play the role, especially probably in non-western and/or less developed countries where women are not so emancipated. | ||
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KotaOnCue
United States180 Posts
I think you won't find many women RTS'rs because war is more of a man thing and RTS is more of a war kind of game then WoW which has more of a social, group kind of thing. | ||
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:25 MementoMori wrote: A study performed in 2009 by the Entertainment Software Association found that about 40% of gamers are female, including 43-45% of online gamers. This of course doesn't take in to account the "competetiveness" of the games. But I still think it's worth pointing out that there really are a lot of female gamers out there. And probably a lot playing sc2. Most women I know play MMOs or platform games. Surely the survey asked those who took the survey, "Which games do you play?" Anyway, RTS games are quite challenging and very competitive compared to other games. When I ask my female friends why they play certain games they usually answer with the following: - "Because it's fun." - "Helps me unwind." In some cases I'll even get... - "Because it's challenging." It's a matter of opinion. | ||
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
( j/k ^^ ) | ||
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Fumi
529 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:54 Stuv wrote: Girls dont play RTS like boys dont play with ponies. Its really as simple as that, I dont think you need to look for complicated reasons. No. Ponies suck. We want action and violence just as much as everyone else. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Of course that's only my opinion. :/ | ||
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MementoMori
Canada419 Posts
On November 20 2010 00:21 StarStruck wrote: Most women I know play MMOs or platform games. Surely the survey asked those who took the survey, "Which games do you play?" You're right. I really wanted to find some numbers on what kinds of games they played before I posted this. I tried looking again but the only data I could find just seemed to ignore the type of game like it wasn't important :/ | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On the other side of it though, when a girl achieves half the feats of a male gamer, she gets twice the attention. As an example, one of my friends (girl) got an expense free invite to go to quakecon and play some show matches with Fatal1ty and such (it was her and like 7 other girls vs Fatal1ty), but she is hardly good at the game. I picked up Quake Live and in 2 or 3 days (with some previous FPS expirience, no quake though) I could beat her in a duel (though it was very close). A guy with my level of skill though would never get any attention at all though, because there are so so many people who are way better than me. TL;DR : Guys are driven to be competitive, when girls are given no such push. | ||
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razamanaz
271 Posts
On November 19 2010 23:51 gozima wrote: It's just a case of fewer girls playing video games in general. If you take the female video game playing population, which is probably [i don't have any statistics at hand] a fraction of the male gaming population, and then try finding females playing a niche genre like RTS, you're just not going to have many that are "high level" SC2 gamers. Yes , i have to agree . Female gamers ratio to male gamers is very low and prbability of good dedicated player with high skill and talent is very low too , a lot lower than males . | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 20 2010 00:22 Fumi wrote: No. Ponies suck. We want action and violence just as much as everyone else. but I like Pooooooooniieeeeeeeessssssssss ;( | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10981 Posts
No, seriously. Most Girls are just not as attracted to these sort of games/free time activity from the get go... How many 7 year old Girls do you know that want nothing more than a playstation?.... Oh, and afaik Girls are also worse than men in basically every competetive "sport/game"? No matter how much it has to do with physical capabilities? | ||
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