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wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
November 07 2010 15:44 GMT
#141
sorry for not contributing but fuck blizzard one server please.. jesus christ.. or cross realm play at least. stop the stupid stats imo. they mean shit without cross realm play.
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craz3d
Profile Joined August 2005
Bulgaria856 Posts
November 07 2010 15:45 GMT
#142
On November 08 2010 00:01 Seraph.yongweihua wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 23:43 Klive5ive wrote:
On November 07 2010 22:07 Geo.Rion wrote:
i dont know if im suppoused to laugh or cry reading these comments here. Ppl go insane over statistics
this is the only thing worth discussing:
PvT - 56.5%
PvT - 45.3%
What do NA players do so differently then EU players, that gap is huge

Well first of all remember that winrate against Zerg affects the "skill" measurement so the stats aren't that simplistic.

What's interesting is that Korea is in the middle. Since Korea usually leads the trend (according to Blizzard) are they actually behind one of the other regions?
Are NA Protoss players better than Korean Protoss players? Having watched the GSL that might actually be true.


That's why we're exporting Huk there. to teach the Koreans how to play.


Good one:D

I for one am excited to see how Huk will do in korea.
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udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
November 07 2010 15:46 GMT
#143
On November 07 2010 23:59 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 23:13 udgnim wrote:
don't know if anyone has done this yet, but average of all 4 regions is the following:

PvT: 51.25%
PvZ: 47.975%
TvZ: 50.35%

Brood War like balance where balanced is supposed to be P > T > Z > P


This is so wrong.
You cannot just add those numbers and divide by 4, because the number of diamond players in each region differs.
We would need to know how many players there are and weight them different while getting the average.

Example to illustrate my point in the spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +
Region 1:
1 player of each race
PvT: 100%
PvZ: 0%
TvZ: 100%

Region 2:
1000 players of each race
PvT: 50%
PvZ: 50%
TvZ: 50%

According to you logic it would mean:
PvT: 75%
PvZ: 25%
TvZ: 75%


I'd love to do a weighted average but I have no idea how the population numbers compare in each region, so it's either do an average of all 4 regions or focus on the Korean statistics. /shrug
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Squirrel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
November 07 2010 15:47 GMT
#144
On November 08 2010 00:44 TheDna wrote:
They should only release the top 3-10% of diamond games. The rest is like old bronze league anyways..
This doesn't say much tbh :/


It's Diamond only o.O
ScarletKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States691 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-08 23:56:51
November 07 2010 15:47 GMT
#145
wrong thread! I'm a silly goose. :S
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clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 07 2010 15:52 GMT
#146
I find it funny how europe is very different from the other servers. especialy the europe<->NA difference is strange, because I did not think that theres a huge playstile difference.

Overall I think that Korea does show the most balance significance because they have a much more stacked diamond league.

But I would be very interested in seeing how low-mid-high diamond matchups compare to eachother!
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TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
November 07 2010 15:53 GMT
#147
The result of the whole "diamond league" doesn't mean anything.
For instance about the PvZ 47% win-ratio.
It's most likely 50-50 in low diamond and 40-60 at the highest diamond league (judging at the sc2ranks statistics which show more and more zergs and less and less protoss as the point increases) but as most of the players are at a low level (gaussian distribution) the real balance of the game is obscured by the bad Zerg players who have no idea of how to beat a classic 4 gates push all-in.

Same thing about TvZ.
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
November 07 2010 15:54 GMT
#148
Not to read too much into these numbers but by the looks of it TvZ isn't in a terrible state ... it is in fact pretty balanced.

The biggest problems seems to be PvT in fact and Blizzard already said they were looking into it.

Right now in my opinion T and Z are pretty good but P has some weird internal imbalances. What I mean is that they are super strong at a 4 gate push, terribly bad mid game and have the best late game army. I think Protoss needs to be more even over the course of the game in order to balance with the other races.

Once they tweak the P mechanics to make them more even they should be able to balance PvT and PvZ. TvZ is in my opinion both the most fun matchup (to watch and play) and the most balanced non-mirror.

clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
November 07 2010 15:57 GMT
#149
actually its even stranger than I first thought!

North America is 100% Aiur

Korea is Terran and Zerg favored

Europe is Protoss and Terran favored

SEA is Protoss and Zerg favored
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Badjas
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Netherlands2038 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 16:34:08
November 07 2010 16:00 GMT
#150
On November 08 2010 00:40 Jayson X wrote:
I dont quite get this...
If the system is looking for 50% winrate for you, how much more irrelevant can these statistics be?
Why not at least post map statistics? Or the numbers of players taken into account? Or the average time for a game in each match up?

I agree with this. If only 20% of players in diamond are protoss, that means that protoss is more difficult to play right. The match making system tries to find a balance between individual players, not between races. A statistic of the distribution of races would make more sense. Oh wait, from the original blog post, they apparently take that into account. But without a detailed explanation on how. But what does that mean for the reliability of the numbers...

(If a lot of people in diamond would play random, the random players could be measured for a reliable measure. Maybe the only reliable method available?)
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HalfAmazing
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands402 Posts
November 07 2010 16:14 GMT
#151
These stats are completely meaningless because blizzard applies some funny math to get these numbers. These are not raw, they are manipulated.
You can figure out the other half.
eckm
Profile Joined May 2010
United States72 Posts
November 07 2010 16:19 GMT
#152
On November 08 2010 01:14 HalfAmazing wrote:
These stats are completely meaningless because blizzard applies some funny math to get these numbers. These are not raw, they are manipulated.


For most people raw numbers would be more misleading that the 'manipulated' ones. They're manipulated in order to balance for many random factors.

However, I agree that Blizzard should release the raw numbers... they should just release ALL the raw numbers, not only w/l.
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ch4ppi
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany802 Posts
November 07 2010 16:24 GMT
#153
Because the range of skill levels in Diamond is so high there is not a lot you can extrapolate from this.


Pretty much that.. When I think about the fact that I'm counting into this... lol
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
November 07 2010 16:30 GMT
#154
I would like to see stats for like over 2000 points or something. Interesting none the less.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
November 07 2010 16:30 GMT
#155
On November 08 2010 00:57 clickrush wrote:
actually its even stranger than I first thought!

North America is 100% Aiur

Korea is Terran and Zerg favored

Europe is Protoss and Terran favored

SEA is Protoss and Zerg favored


?
How is NA 100% Aiur if Z>P on NA?
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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 07 2010 16:34 GMT
#156
I'm really impressed with how balanced the game is already. All matchups everywhere are within 5% deviations of win/loss. Very impressive.
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 16:36:27
November 07 2010 16:34 GMT
#157
Aggregate numbers:

PvT - 1.25% in favor of protoss
PvZ - 2.025% in favor of zerg
TvZ - 1.4% in favor of terran (note this is solely due to T dominance on EU servers)
TvZ (discounting EU) - 3.6%in favor of zerg

Europe seems to be the outlier in most cases. PvT, as a whole, is anyone's call as each race appears to be dominant over the other on at least two servers. PvZ is most obviously (and consistently) in favor of zerg. In total, T is only ahead of Z due to EU's numbers. Otherwise, Z holds strong in that MU.
TeWy
Profile Joined December 2009
France714 Posts
November 07 2010 16:38 GMT
#158
On November 08 2010 01:34 Osmoses wrote:
I'm really impressed with how balanced the game is already. All matchups everywhere are within 5% deviations of win/loss. Very impressive.


This just means you don't understand statistics very well.
Perscienter
Profile Joined June 2010
957 Posts
November 07 2010 16:55 GMT
#159
You can not prove or disprove balance, but at least statistics per map and grouped by top xxxx stages would help.
stk01001
Profile Joined September 2007
United States786 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 16:58:23
November 07 2010 16:56 GMT
#160
On November 08 2010 01:38 TeWy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 01:34 Osmoses wrote:
I'm really impressed with how balanced the game is already. All matchups everywhere are within 5% deviations of win/loss. Very impressive.


This just means you don't understand statistics very well.


care to enlighten us on what exactly he's misunderstanding? His statement seems accurate to me..

let me guess.. you analyzed the statistics with your genius statistical mind and have determined that the game is incredibly unbalanced right? so please enlighten us which matchups are soooo IMBA right now??
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