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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 13:10:02
November 07 2010 13:07 GMT
#101
i dont know if im suppoused to laugh or cry reading these comments here. Ppl go insane over statistics
this is the only thing worth discussing:
PvT - 56.5%
PvT - 45.3%
What do NA players do so differently then EU players, that gap is huge
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
November 07 2010 13:10 GMT
#102
I love how everybody just ignore LA servers!

We are so few and bad thats just better to hide us from the rest of the world, right Blizzard? :/
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
November 07 2010 13:12 GMT
#103
On November 07 2010 22:10 fabiano wrote:
I love how everybody just ignore LA servers!

We are so few and bad thats just better to hide us from the rest of the world, right Blizzard? :/


The play on the LA servers can't really be called "diamond" level :p
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
November 07 2010 13:14 GMT
#104
These stats are dumb and useless. I'm going to bed.
Moderator
Supanova7G
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom13 Posts
November 07 2010 13:16 GMT
#105
On November 07 2010 22:07 Geo.Rion wrote:
i dont know if im suppoused to laugh or cry reading these comments here. Ppl go insane over statistics
this is the only thing worth discussing:
PvT - 56.5%
PvT - 45.3%
What do NA players do so differently then EU players, that gap is huge


I think in the EU protoss suffer from more early pressure from terran. In my experience early timing pushes with bio are extremely popular which slows the protoss from acquiring it's deathball/wins outright.
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 13:27:55
November 07 2010 13:16 GMT
#106
On November 07 2010 17:41 VikingKong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 17:35 StarcraftMan wrote:
On November 07 2010 17:24 Dommk wrote:
Click for Full blog post





North America – Diamond
  • PvT - 56.5%
  • PvZ - 47.9%
  • TvZ - 49.1%

Korea – Diamond
  • PvT - 48.3%
  • PvZ - 47.4%
  • TvZ - 50.5%

Europe – Diamond
  • PvT - 45.3%
  • PvZ - 51.6%
  • TvZ - 55.0%

SEA – Diamond
  • PvT 54.9%
  • PvZ 45.0%
  • TvZ 46.8%



Pretty interesting to see how different each region is


The stats show that Zerg is OP in 3 out of 4 regions. Not surprising - this is something the community suspected aleady.

Rofl, here comes the balance squad... Yeah, the community definitely suspected zerg op...and of course these stats are meaningful and confirm it...


says the zerg player guess the reason why zerg was buffed?

OT: i dont see why those stats are useless. i dont take the time to compare them to older ones but imagine you work on the game and you sure want every bit of information to see how maybe the latest patch changed things. its a feedback for them. dont deny this fact. and they sharing it with you! what a bunch of stupid selfish bastards, huh?

and rely only on pro gamers would not be a very good idea, would it?
or you guys think that every pro says "nah my race is fine but please buff the other 2".

its rare that a gamecompany gives insight in what they do or think. but then bitching about it is ridiculous. prefer blizzard acting like elitists give you no information until the patch hits your faces? you guys would be the first that then spamm these forums "how those idiots balance the game".
Bull-Demon
Profile Joined January 2003
United States582 Posts
November 07 2010 13:17 GMT
#107
I think these stats have the value of keeping everyone in perspective. At least now we won't have terran scrubs saying zerg is winning over 60% of their matches or some other nonsense.

Really should include SOME sort of map data, but I'm sure they keep they info to themselves, for whatever reason.
~_~
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
November 07 2010 13:18 GMT
#108
On November 07 2010 22:12 Kraznaya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 22:10 fabiano wrote:
I love how everybody just ignore LA servers!

We are so few and bad thats just better to hide us from the rest of the world, right Blizzard? :/


The play on the LA servers can't really be called "diamond" level :p


Can't really deny haha
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
November 07 2010 13:25 GMT
#109
Diamond encompasses too big a skill variety to be reliable in my opinion. Over half the diamond population is really bad at the game.

When they have a league higher than diamond I'll be interested to see the win percentages
OverKiLL.
Profile Joined October 2010
United States199 Posts
November 07 2010 13:29 GMT
#110
i dont even know what these things mean
kataa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom384 Posts
November 07 2010 13:34 GMT
#111
Thse stats would be more meaningful if they covered matches involving a member of the top200 only, and then map statisics each. We don't know for example if Protoss is winning 80% of the time on Lost Temple, while Terran could be doing the reverse on Stepps of War.

The races are all looking pretty balanced, what we need now is some improvements on map balance.
SCC-Faust
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3736 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 13:54:23
November 07 2010 13:53 GMT
#112
On November 07 2010 22:07 Geo.Rion wrote:
i dont know if im suppoused to laugh or cry reading these comments here. Ppl go insane over statistics
this is the only thing worth discussing:
PvT - 56.5%
PvT - 45.3%
What do NA players do so differently then EU players, that gap is huge


Not to start a flame war or anything but I think NA has generally better Protoss players.

HuK and KiwiKaki said it themselves at the first MLG - maybe as a joke, or just in fun, that they believed the EU server had better players overall (as they both have accounts on NA and EU), but they believed the NA server definitely had better Protoss players. Socke, MaNa, HasuObs, White-Ra, and Naniwa are definitely good. Although I think I'd have to agree that NA has a bit of a stronger line-up, despite a lot of Protoss players in NA are unknown or not given nearly enough credit. TT1 and Axslav are two examples of really great players that just don't get the credit they deserve due to some lackluster tournament performances. Despite that they've torn the ladder up, etc etc.
I want to fuck Soulkey with a Zelderan.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
November 07 2010 13:55 GMT
#113
Interesting for me to know that in US protoss are favoured in TvP but in EU its terrans... I wonder why that is?
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
November 07 2010 14:00 GMT
#114
On November 07 2010 17:35 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 17:24 Dommk wrote:
Click for Full blog post





North America – Diamond
  • PvT - 56.5%
  • PvZ - 47.9%
  • TvZ - 49.1%

Korea – Diamond
  • PvT - 48.3%
  • PvZ - 47.4%
  • TvZ - 50.5%

Europe – Diamond
  • PvT - 45.3%
  • PvZ - 51.6%
  • TvZ - 55.0%

SEA – Diamond
  • PvT 54.9%
  • PvZ 45.0%
  • TvZ 46.8%



Pretty interesting to see how different each region is


The stats show that Zerg is OP in 3 out of 4 regions. Not surprising - this is something the community suspected aleady.



they said everything 5% and under is fine. In other words, Z is balanced in all 4 o.O, Maybe slightly OP in SEA vs Toss
I only needed one probe to take down idra. I had to upgrade to a zealot for strelok. - Liquid`Tyler
Seraph.yongweihua
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada224 Posts
November 07 2010 14:02 GMT
#115
I think the only time we can figure out racial balance is when they do this for their masters and grand masters league, but then again that sample size might be too small.
Luvz
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway356 Posts
November 07 2010 14:03 GMT
#116
On November 07 2010 Geo.Rion wrote:
i dont know if im suppoused to laugh or cry reading these comments here. Ppl go insane over statistics
this is the only thing worth discussing:
PvT - 56.5%
PvT - 45.3%
What do NA players do so differently then EU players, that gap is huge


EU has terran's that use vikings?
Norway ~ Home of the brave <3
Seraph.yongweihua
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada224 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 14:06:03
November 07 2010 14:05 GMT
#117
On November 07 2010 22:55 leveller wrote:
Interesting for me to know that in US protoss are favoured in TvP but in EU its terrans... I wonder why that is?


Might be because Americans like to turtle up and macro while the Europeans are extremely aggressive and micro. Protoss gets stronger the longer the game goes on than terran so these European terrans are probably just winning their matches sooner.
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 14:16:25
November 07 2010 14:13 GMT
#118
don't know if anyone has done this yet, but average of all 4 regions is the following:

PvT: 51.25%
PvZ: 47.975%
TvZ: 50.35%

Brood War like balance where balanced is supposed to be P > T > Z > P
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Bull-Demon
Profile Joined January 2003
United States582 Posts
November 07 2010 14:22 GMT
#119
On November 07 2010 17:35 StarcraftMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2010 17:24 Dommk wrote:
Click for Full blog post





North America – Diamond
  • PvT - 56.5%
  • PvZ - 47.9%
  • TvZ - 49.1%

Korea – Diamond
  • PvT - 48.3%
  • PvZ - 47.4%
  • TvZ - 50.5%

Europe – Diamond
  • PvT - 45.3%
  • PvZ - 51.6%
  • TvZ - 55.0%

SEA – Diamond
  • PvT 54.9%
  • PvZ 45.0%
  • TvZ 46.8%



Pretty interesting to see how different each region is


The stats show that Zerg is OP in 3 out of 4 regions. Not surprising - this is something the community suspected aleady.



Yeah that .9% is real indictive of serious balance problems.
~_~
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
November 07 2010 14:27 GMT
#120
It's been said before but it's true:
The way ladder works, when you win you play stronger opponents and when you lose you play weaker opponents. Add to this the huge range of skill found in diamond and you basically get a win rate that that should be 50% for almost each player (like it is).

That being said, it's interesting how some matchups are more favored in some servers than others.

Also, buff Zerg in ZvP plz
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
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