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Moa
United States790 Posts
On October 26 2010 06:46 Kennigit wrote: Kennigit: "  so i closed that thread and told everyone they were idiots for saying you were switching to zerg"TLO: "but i am switching to zerg" Oops ^_^;;;; We still love you even if you can't keep track of the TL players. | ||
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deadbutmoving
United States66 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 25 2010 18:13 Mithhaike wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 25 2010 08:19 Choirdrunk wrote: I'm not sure this is a classic balance decision with regards to TLO switching. TLO is known to prefer innovative builds. He doesn't just want to rely on out microing or out macroing players. He wants to out-think players before the battle even begins. With the barracks' new requirement, and the necessity of the barracks for any relevant strategy, terrans are now reliant on more predictable builds. Zerg provides TLO with more flexibility. That being said, zerg is also just really powerful in a progamer's hands right now. Blizzard granted the race the ability to expand at will, maintain map control and then nerfed terrans ability to harass (reapers + reaper speed + barracks requirement) so that zerg can comfortably expand early with one basic harass option (hellions) that they KNOW they will be preparing for. Banshees are gimmicky and not game effective since you'll be on one base and the damage you'll do will not compensate for the advantages zerg accrues from the second base. The most recent shoutcast on HDstarcraft's channel shows a ZvT where the T launched an incredibly successful hellion harass that roasted more than a dozen drones only to be even in economy within a minute. So, as of now, terran can't assault early. If it gets to the late game, they are done. Terrans are trying to find a narrow timing window they can exploit. The reason we're seeing all these early thor pushes. Oh well, I guess its zerg's time in the sun. 1stly, good luck TLO! i've seen your random plays from back in the beta,and i loved your ability to play more than 1 race. i think you've made the right choice to change into Zerg because of how the recent patches have been affecting the game. very long post i've quoted, but very well said. right now terrans with the lack of opener cheese to keep other players honest, also has their entire harass early game options removed. you may think "oh only reapers are made useless", but have you thought about how the early reapers being removed leaves only 2 other harass? the hellion harass = a must,a given and essential. the follow up air harass is optional. so terrans are now a totally predictable race. the enemy will know exactly what are you doing and be expecting it as there is no longer any surprise involved. End game, no race is as good as the Zerg due to their superior macro mechanics and ability to replenish an entire army. Against protoss, once HTs are up, the entire terran army(except mech) has been effectively neutralised due to nearly every terran unit(except Thor & Tanks) either A) having mana or B) low hp. and they can replenish their gateway units very quickly with warpgates & chronoboosts. Terrans aren't playing other races. their playing against time. If they cannot end the game fast and it gets to endgame,their at a severe disadvantage due to how the production of armies work.if i cant end the game now,im screwed. Yup, that's true. It's actually a safe pick to play Zerg at the top pro level. You can easily survive against any early Terran harassment with the extra range for roaches and the nerf to reapers. This means that top Zerg pros can easily FE and there is no risk of FE. Once the game is extended, it becomes more and more advantageous for zerg players. I don't know the exact reasons why TLO picked Zerg, but I'm sure some of the balance changes had something to do with it. Personally, if I were a Pro and my salary/winnings is at stake, I would switch too. TLO needs to put food on the table and pay for his rent - he should pick the race that gives him the best chance to win, as should any Pro, which is probably Zerg at this moment. | ||
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A.J.
United States209 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 26 2010 13:20 A.J. wrote: I would like to switch to zerg as well, but I don't want to get rofl stomped on the ladder until I go all the way down to bronze. I think TLO switched for the wrong reasons. He switched because Zerg is being heavily favored by Blizz and Terran is being owned. I agree with you that Zerg is heavily favoured, but if you're a Pro, you kind of have to switch races because it's more than pride on the line - it's sponsors, salary, tournament money, etc, that you depend on to survive. Having said that, I wish Blizzard doesn't swing the pendulum so furiously each time they rebalance - they should go with smaller changes because it's not Beta anymore and some people depend on SC2 to make a living. | ||
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aztrorisk
United States896 Posts
But seriously, I enjoyed his terran play more than his zerg. I'm sad to see him go. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
On October 26 2010 13:20 A.J. wrote: I would like to switch to zerg as well, but I don't want to get rofl stomped on the ladder until I go all the way down to bronze. I think TLO switched for the wrong reasons. He switched because Zerg is being heavily favored by Blizz and Terran is being owned. It takes a substantial amount of time to return to pro level after switching races, especially when that race is zerg. You need a lot of practice to keep track of spawn larva, spreading creep, and learn how to balance drones vs. units well. TLO will already be much better than the majority of people after a short time, but honing his skills to reach the very top will take longer. This early in the game, balance will fluctuate as Blizzard keeps putting out patches. No progamer switches races lightly, as you're guaranteed a dip in performance. By the time TLO has recovered, it's likely enough that either the metagame will have evolved to deal with the patch changes (and balance the races out) or Blizzard will have started to nerf zerg. I doubt TLO is so shortsighted as to play FOTM. If he's switching to Zerg, it's probably permanent and because he feels it fits his playstyle better. Now is probably the smoothest time to switch, when the other two races haven't yet figured out how to deal with the changes. | ||
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JoeCrow
United States167 Posts
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-miDnight-
Taiwan455 Posts
although he got roll over, but | ||
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
On October 26 2010 11:19 Moa wrote: We still love you even if you can't keep track of the TL players. Kenningit, I am sure when Heosat told everyone TLO was switching to zerg in another thread a few days ago was accurate xD | ||
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us.insurgency
United States330 Posts
On October 26 2010 13:20 A.J. wrote: I would like to switch to zerg as well, but I don't want to get rofl stomped on the ladder until I go all the way down to bronze. I think TLO switched for the wrong reasons. He switched because Zerg is being heavily favored by Blizz and Terran is being owned. Yeah totally agree. He is a fair weather player. | ||
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JIJI_
United States123 Posts
So far I enjoy Zerg much more and am having a lot more fun. Harassing with mutas, have great map vision / control, have all your units very fast and easy to micro on creep, and most of all the macro and late-game ownage  Biggest thing that turned me off from Terran was it turned into a gimmicky race of timing pushes which if you couldn't hit you were pretty much out to dry late game against zerg and toss. Also a big part of me abandoning Terran is Master Trump's unexpected hiatus from playing / streaming - he made playing Terran so fun! /shrug just my 2 copper...obvi im no where near level of TLO, but I can kinda feel him on why he perhaps made the switch. | ||
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chokke
Norway228 Posts
Other then that, I feel he's far above avarage, but still has some to climb to reach the top. | ||
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FetTerBender
Germany1393 Posts
Switch to random, man! It makes you even more tricky! But until you see my point a go on random - ownage, GL & HF with the Swarm! | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On October 26 2010 12:18 deadbutmoving wrote: Cerebrate TLO has been reincarnated. Well someone needs to lead the zerg swarm now now that kerrigan is gone. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 26 2010 16:16 us.insurgency wrote: Yeah totally agree. He is a fair weather player. What the fuck does that even mean? If he's good at two races, Zerg and Terran, why should he not use the one that's better suited to his playstyle at any given time? You're acting like he renounced his citizenship or something. If Zerg is truly overpowered like you insist, then two equally skilled players meeting will always result in a Zerg win. I understand that this sort of knee-jerk tribalism is kind of ingrained in us, but for the love of god have some proportion. Progamers aren't required to act as effigies in the little racial balance passion plays we all seem to love so much. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
Would be really horrible for game if T stayed this Cheesy/Gimicky/timing rush/all-in race. | ||
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Grummler
Germany743 Posts
On October 26 2010 19:05 Gotmog wrote: If terran actually proves to need buffs now, i would expect that T gets buffs in macro games. Would be really horrible for game if T stayed this Cheesy/Gimicky/timing rush/all-in race. True. I play terran myself, but removing all this gimicky stuff was a good move by blizzard. Mass reapers into a somewhat early expansion never felt like palying terran. Neither did proxy baracks nor roach kiting with hellions. And terran macro doesnt need to be buffed imho. Just give terran decent lategame options. The Tank and battlecruiser nerfs were too early in my opinion. Tanks were awesome in tvz (they are still ok'ish), but the main reason for T>Z pre 1.1.2 was the lack of save openers for zerg due to all that early harass. Some kind of harass followed by a tank + X timing atack was easy to perform and very deadly. The balance went this way: 1. "Mhm, tvz is screwed, zerg doesnt stand a chance. Lets nerf mech!" (didnt work in tvz, but made mech in tvp nearly impossible) 2. "still screwed, lets remove/nerf every single early pressure build terran has in tvz" (tvz early game is fine, lategame screwed both in tvp and tvz) + Show Spoiler + yes, i am exaggerating | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
Then, like a lot of terrans, he discovered the massive amount of abuse terrans could do with a vast array of openings. Therefore he improved his terran much more because he wants to win. However, TLO was always a pretty awesome zerg. It was only the overpoweredness of terran that led to him using it. I fully believe he will remain a top Terran/Zerg player. I don't consider this a significant change of races. | ||
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Lightspeed
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