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On October 24 2010 13:39 MythicalMage wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2010 12:53 SubtleArt wrote:On October 24 2010 02:20 Punkstar wrote:
Morrow and TLO are now zergs? lol im sure that if Idra has some emotions he would be grinning like crazy now ... lol morrow's not that good and idra has been quite vocal about it. On October 24 2010 12:51 tardygamer wrote:
Well race doesn't win you tournaments. Players do. Fruitdealer winning GSL is the proof. Race hopping shows at least TLO has no confidence in himself no matter how you sugar coat it. thats absolutely stupid reasoning. You can't take 1 anomaly / outlier and say it's proof or racial balance. I saw Flash rape the shit out of Kal at WCG...TvP is easy right? Have you ever taken any course in school that deals with statistics in the slightest? "1 person won with an inferior race, therefore there is no racial imbalance" is grade 3 reasoning, come on. in the same GSL you speak of 2nd 3rd and 4th were all terrans who were definitely not as skilled as some of the people they left behind. Over the last few months so many crappy terran players (not to say all of them suck because thats not true, but a lot of them were) have been placing high because of the strength of their race. Race may not win you tourneys, but it sure as hell helps you place farther. I believe TLO changed because he liked zerg's style (usually his most creative plays have been with zerg) but he definitely played terran for such a long time because of their strength He isn't saying balace doesn't matter. It certainly effects the game. But he's saying that players matter a lot MORE. If TLO wasn't good with Terran he won't be with Zerg. If Cool wasn't good with Zerg he wouldn't be with Terran and so on.
Maybe not in BW but the balance of TvZ in Sc2 was so bad that yes, a lot of Terrans did coast on the strength of their race and place much further than they should have. You're going to tell me Morrow deserved to 3-1 against idra in the finals? No, reapers were way to strong at the time and there was almost no way for zerg to come ahead against a 5 rax reaper opening unless terran screwed up.
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TLO is a creative player, i am glad he switches races as he keeps things interesting. I would like to see what creative things he can pull off as Protoss.
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Wow.. This made my morning. I have loved his creativity since the beta and look forward to the new innovative builds  TLO FIGHTING
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I predict he will not even qualify for GSL3.
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i'm a sad sad panda bear guy :[
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I love this. The big point for me from his latest appearance in the State of the game podcast was that he felt strongly that zerg wasnt being played right by many players. Now we all get to see what he was thinking!
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On October 24 2010 22:04 Lylat wrote:And the Zerg era begins ! GL TLO
Sorry, Zerg era has already been started by Fruitdealer. TLO is just a couple of patches too late.
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On October 25 2010 00:31 tardygamer wrote:Sorry, Zerg era has already been started by Fruitdealer. TLO is just a couple of patches too late.
Gonna have to agree with that.
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tlo played some amazing zerg games in the beta. Games I always wanted to see, since he excels so much at the cerebral aspect of the game. Can't wait, but too bad he wasn't so great at Protoss since I loved those games too.
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On October 25 2010 00:00 LostDevil wrote:
I predict he will not even qualify for GSL3.
Considering that people like Tester and July weren't able to qualify for GSL2, that prediction of yours doesn't mean much...
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TLO has gained a lot of fans and fame because of his ability in doing various opening builds. This is easy to understand. For casual players, they started the game with very limited knowledge of RTS. They spent a lot of time figuring out a build and trying it out timidly on battle.net. They lose a lot of games on battle.net or even to the single player mode. They search the internet for a way to improve their game play. And what they found was a guy who can do different builds in every game and doing them well. What they heard was the commentators shouting at the top of their lung "OMG WHAT A SICK BUILD, TLO IS THE MOST CREATIVE PLAYER EVER!!!!" People were excited and facinated. A religion is thus formed. Any one who dares to offer any different opinion is ridiculed (if you bother to go back and read all the posts, you'll find words such as stupid, dumb, ridiculas are used against non-believers).
This is all fine only if the game is just a show. However, the game at its core is a competitive venue. At the top of the competitive circle, are players who believe in clean and solid game mechanics. They practice that to the perfection. They also believe in that the fundamental strategy of winning games is to find out what your opponent is doing and rally available resources to counter it. So, they usually open with a solid build that can counter most of the gimmicky opening their opponents can throw at them. Next, they scount their opponents and then decide how to counter based on what they have found. From the observer's perspective, solid opening can be boring if you are not that into the mind game that the top players are actually competing at. Flashy and gimmicky opening builds can be more exciting to watch. But against a top notch player, when his solid opening holds your initial attack, more often he'll counter your build and win the game at the end. If you understand and agree with what I have stated so far, then you'll have to also agree race and builds are not that important when it comes to the top level competition.
When commenting Nada's GSL game against a player who is not well known, Jason Lee said: "I thought Nada would do something fancy and crazy. But I am surprised to see that he didn't but his opponent did." This just shows how little Jason knows about RTS. The better a player is, the less likely he will gamble his game on some fancy builds. He will almost always start with the most solid and safe build he knows, trusting his own fundamentals, and beat others with a solid play. Fun to watch? Yes. Eye candies? No.
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Apparently TLO just developed some newly found self-respect. Heh.
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well now i can scratch off TLO switching to zerg for my christmas wish list
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Terran is OP
*switches to Terran*
Terran gets nerfed
*switches to Zerg*
Kinda lame, hope he sticks with it now
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i dont think he'll switch to zerg, his ZvZ is pretty bad..
although he can play T when an opponent Z arrives..
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the only problem i see with this is zerg doesn't have nukes. I actually liked TLO's terran because he didn't just rely on the same old imba builds everyone else used and did creative shit.
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Good deal. I loved TLO's crazy Zerg play in beta, so I'm happy to see him go back to it.
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I think the real reason is that he want to have self respect
more seriously its one advantage of being random player im ok with his choice
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TLO...was always a zerg player in my book
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Hoping to see some creative play from him as Zerg. Maybe I'll learn a thing or 2.
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