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Ai52487963
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom136 Posts
October 19 2010 21:26 GMT
#1821
Speaking of the reaper/factory upgrade, weren't a lot of people saying late game reapers were something to look into? It seems like that should still be the case, right?
baph
Profile Joined April 2010
Poland30 Posts
October 19 2010 22:51 GMT
#1822
On October 20 2010 01:36 ch4ppi wrote:
Show nested quote +
trying to deny all early pressure possibilities

In what for a world is this the result of the patch 0.o*
Well a better thought post would help your statement


Zerg needs to be brain damaged to let early reapers do any kind of damage. Helion harass is seriously limited. And i am just pointing out blizzard's consistent tendency of eliminating early game pressure possibilities ( rine/zealot build time nerfs, bunker nerf etc.).
Rorschach
Profile Joined May 2010
United States623 Posts
October 20 2010 04:24 GMT
#1823
Damn, just realized how much toss was nerfed this patch:

1. Voidrays no longer doing stupid damage
2. Feedbacking Thors/Corrupters - no more "free" damage due to unusable mana
3. Stalkers no longer able to blink after fungal


Makes me glad I am not laddering at the moment. Kind sucks that balance will take so long especially with expansions coming out over the next few years.... Sigh

Just looking forward to D3 (keeping my fingers crossed that we will get a release date at blizzcon!!!)
En Taro Adun, Executor!
Perscienter
Profile Joined June 2010
957 Posts
October 22 2010 08:53 GMT
#1824
They will behave even more patch-happy regarding D3.


In PvZ Protoss is nerfed.
In PvT due to removement of the phoenix bug and medivac speed nerf I think it's about the same.

But I still don't like many of the changes.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 22 2010 09:06 GMT
#1825
It's not like balance matters in D3. It's a hack and slash. If anyone's underpowered, they'll buff that class because the entire genre is based on being ridiculously overpowered.
whatsgrackalackin420
Perscienter
Profile Joined June 2010
957 Posts
October 22 2010 09:41 GMT
#1826
They overhauled D2 several times and destroyed several whole character builds including the unique and creative tweaker sorc. I still haven't forgiven them.
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
October 22 2010 09:46 GMT
#1827
Stalkers not being able to blink after getting fungaled was reasonable
Void rays getting nerfed was reasonable, but not to this degree imo. Voids are more newbie-friendly now because the advantage of having them charged up always isn't as big as it used to be. I don't think that makes a lot of sense tbh. I'd like the base damage to be weakened again and the charged up mode slightly (not as extreme as it used to be) buffed.
Depot before rax makes me a little sad, although I hate cheese. It just takes away perfectly valid openings for T that weren't op, ever.

Still not sure about roach range buff. I'm having lots of problems in PvZ now, but I guess that's just because I haven't adapted my build orders to the changes yet.
Grack
Profile Joined October 2010
51 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 10:06:30
October 22 2010 10:00 GMT
#1828
On October 22 2010 18:41 Perscienter wrote:
They overhauled D2 several times and destroyed several whole character builds including the unique and creative tweaker sorc. I still haven't forgiven them.

lol d2 stil is most balanced (all can be tweaked with the rules) and dynamic/skill demanding pvp rpg i've ever seen
pvp in wow and its clones is a joke.
Perscienter
Profile Joined June 2010
957 Posts
October 22 2010 11:01 GMT
#1829
Skill demanding? Seriosly, that game is so dumb! You just control one character with a few skills and execute simple sequences of clicks and hotkeys. Boring. That wow is worse is really not a criterion.
Grack
Profile Joined October 2010
51 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 13:34:40
October 22 2010 13:32 GMT
#1830
On October 22 2010 20:01 Perscienter wrote:
Skill demanding? Seriosly, that game is so dumb! You just control one character with a few skills and execute simple sequences of clicks and hotkeys. Boring. That wow is worse is really not a criterion.

the same applies to any fps game, yet we have games which are better suited for pvp (quakes, cs ) than others.

ps. i can assure theres way more factors in d2 pvp than u just wrote.
Perscienter
Profile Joined June 2010
957 Posts
October 22 2010 15:15 GMT
#1831
Ok. Then there is more than meets the eye to D2 pvp. Like in tennis.

It's still not as complex as SC2.
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
October 22 2010 15:55 GMT
#1832
On October 22 2010 18:46 Mandalor wrote:
Void rays getting nerfed was reasonable, but not to this degree imo. Voids are more newbie-friendly now
I think that what they need to do now, is throw in the 3rd level back in, but you fall back to level two every time you switch target. Level 3 could deal about 50% more damage than level 2. This would finally allow the void ray to be the unit they've always wanted it to be without being ridiculously strong in some specific instances.

Void rays are supposed to destroy ultras, thors, BCs, buildings, etc. They can never get that role as long as they keep their full charge between targets.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-22 16:07:15
October 22 2010 16:07 GMT
#1833
How to PvP in D2:
Max Guided Arrow, get a Buriza, Cleglaw's Brace and 40 poison charms and then win.

In 1.09 at least :D
Piercing GA was so fun
Yotta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States270 Posts
October 22 2010 16:27 GMT
#1834
On October 22 2010 19:00 Grack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2010 18:41 Perscienter wrote:
They overhauled D2 several times and destroyed several whole character builds including the unique and creative tweaker sorc. I still haven't forgiven them.

lol d2 stil is most balanced (all can be tweaked with the rules) and dynamic/skill demanding pvp rpg i've ever seen
pvp in wow and its clones is a joke.
D2 pvp is nothing compared to guild wars pvp, or at least what it used to be. Farming/buying the leetest gear and running around spamming skills < GvG
Trollment
Profile Joined August 2010
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 20:53:58
October 23 2010 20:45 GMT
#1835
My thread got taken down, so again: David Kim revealed that MakaPrime caused the nerf of voidrays by sending replays and analysis. Source by using my own ears and listening David Kim speaking in stream (SC2 balance panel)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 23 2010 20:48 GMT
#1836
On October 24 2010 05:45 Trollment wrote:
My thread got taken down, so again: David Kim revealed that MakaPrime caused the nerf of voidrays by sending replays and analysis

Source?
Moderator
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 20:49:49
October 23 2010 20:49 GMT
#1837
I'm still in shock that Blizzard would release a patch just a few weeks after the last patch. With drastic balance changes in it. I thought Blizzard was doing a really good job until this, but there's no way this was properly tested in such a short time.

Terrible balancing philosophy, and piss-poor job so far by Blizzard.
vileEchoic -- clanvile.com
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
October 23 2010 20:52 GMT
#1838
On October 24 2010 05:49 iEchoic wrote:
I'm still in shock that Blizzard would release a patch just a few weeks after the last patch. With drastic balance changes in it. I thought Blizzard was doing a really good job until this, but there's no way this was properly tested in such a short time.

Terrible balancing philosophy, and piss-poor job so far by Blizzard.

do not agree
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-23 21:12:55
October 23 2010 20:58 GMT
#1839
Poor Terran sad he can't abuse Zergs anymore.


How to PvP in D2:
Max Guided Arrow, get a Buriza, Cleglaw's Brace and 40 poison charms and then win.

This is BM :0 D2 has its own set of rules about things you can't use (generally slow stuff, and poison stacking like that) since it's imba as hell. There's a fair bit of depth to it actually.
QkDown
Profile Joined February 2010
United States214 Posts
October 23 2010 21:08 GMT
#1840
to be fair if i was terran i wouldnt have wanted that patch to come anytime soon either.
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