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dmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada270 Posts
November 04 2010 16:29 GMT
#881
Another thing to note that I hope is fixed in an update is if you put in say 7 roaches in waypoint 2, then decide later that you don't want roaches at all and remove them from the final build page, it doesn't actually remove them from waypoint 2 and still adds them to your build even though they don't show on the final page as ever being made.
Ekko
Profile Joined September 2010
United States72 Posts
November 04 2010 22:56 GMT
#882
Ok enough with the little fixes lets see one for Protoss now . There was another user that started to create something similar for Protoss, I think his name was Tobias? I don't remember. Maybe you guys could link up?
Don't try to jump a cliff in two leaps.
dmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada270 Posts
November 05 2010 01:10 GMT
#883
The developers of this one are working on a Terran and Protoss version as it is
Bull-Demon
Profile Joined January 2003
United States582 Posts
November 05 2010 01:30 GMT
#884
Coolest thing ever. I wish I could do stuff like this.

~_~
AndrewZorn
Profile Joined November 2010
United States56 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-05 05:33:55
November 05 2010 03:39 GMT
#885
I'd really like to let my computer crunch some Terran numbers. I have a 3.8ghz i7 that I want to put to good use.

The NEW 7rr posted on page 44 (or post #873) looks really interesting.

By the way, your program is so awesome. I've been talking about it to friends as if I was summarizing a cool movie or something. I know there's no way my phone (Android) could crunch the numbers efficiently, so this reinspires me to get VNC working... so I can sit around checking build orders between classes.

If I may even offer an improvement, yes, I think it would be really nice to have a "lost worker" field, where I can estimate at X seconds a worker is lost to scouting or death.

Also, please do NOT impose human error/realism. The times generated by this should be an unobtainable goal used as a reference point. You do not want someone ever beating these times, it would go against its entire nature.
mehau
Profile Joined November 2010
19 Posts
November 05 2010 09:47 GMT
#886
Hi Lomilar,

I think you are aware of this, but there is a guy called Incinerate on the US battle.net forums taking credit for the builds your program has come up with.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/902030865
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/933033955

He "independently" came up with the 7RR (and now a 3RR variant) just a week or so after this thread was started. To validate his claims he changes a few tiny details from the program build and calls it "proof". Looking at the builds, any sane person other than those who don't know of your software, can tell it is not a coincidence.

Now you don't sound like a guy who cares much about e-fame, but that does not mean this kind of behaviour should be tolerated. Even a link to this thread would help the people worshipping this douche on US realise he is a fraud. And he is the worst kind - the smug, self-confessed-genius kind.

I can't post on US myself, but I'm hoping maybe someone in this thread can take this guy to task.

Anyway, keep up the great work.
rbx270j
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-05 16:53:22
November 05 2010 10:34 GMT
#887
Edit: I just fixed my problem.

After running it for only 15 mins, requesting 8 speedlings, 5 roaches, + 1 melee, +1 missile, only 6:01. Not bad at all.
+ Show Spoiler +
@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:13 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:24 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:30 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:34 M:54 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@0:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:45 M:68 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildExtractor
@0:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:55 M:101 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildOverlord
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:03 M:52 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Extractor+1
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:20 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:20 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:20 M:110 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:20 M:60 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 MineGas
@1:20 M:60 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:20 M:10 G:0 L:0 S:12/18 MineGas
@1:22 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:22 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:65 G:12 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:37 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:37 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:45 M:109 G:33 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:175 G:54 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:00 M:125 G:54 L:0 S:15/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:02 M:64 G:57 L:0 S:14/18 MineGas
@2:04 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:21 M:201 G3 L:1 S:14/18 BuildSpawningPool
@2:28 M:50 G:106 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:35 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@2:35 M:50 G:119 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:45 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:46 M:78 G:140 L:1 S:15/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:52 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:53 M:53 G:153 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:06 M:105 G:178 L:1 S:15/18 Melee +1
@3:10 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:21 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@3:21 M:130 G:107 L:2 S:15/18 Missile +1
@3:26 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@3:26 M:73 G:16 L:2 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:41 M:152 G:45 L:2 S:16/18 BuildQueen
@3:43 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:58 M:157 G:77 L:3 S:18/18 BuildRoachWarren
@4:10 M:111 G:100 L:3 S:17/18 Metabolic Boost
@4:15 M:54 G L:3 S:17/18 BuildZergling
@4:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:30 M:133 G:38 L:3 S:18/18 MineMineral
@4:30 M:133 G:38 L:3 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@4:31 Spawned: Queen+1
@4:32 Mining: +1 on mineral
@4:39 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:53 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@4:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:55 M:263 G:73 L:3 S:18/26 BuildZergling
@4:55 M:213 G:73 L:2 S:19/26 BuildZergling
@4:55 M:163 G:73 L:1 S:20/26 BuildOverlord
@5:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:10 M:202 G4 L:1 S:20/26 BuildRoach
@5:16 Spawned: Larva+4
@5:16 M:182 G:77 L:4 S:22/26 BuildRoach
@5:16 M:107 G:52 L:3 S:24/26 BuildRoach
@5:19 Spawned: Zergling+2
@5:19 Spawned: Zergling+2
@5:20 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:21 M:79 G:34 L:2 S:26/34 BuildRoach
@5:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:33 M:115 G:26 L:2 S:28/34 BuildRoach
@5:35 M:58 G:4 L:1 S:30/34 BuildZergling
@5:35 M:8 G:4 L:0 S:31/34 MineGas
@5:37 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:37 Mining: +1 on gas
@5:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:40 M:51 G:13 L:1 S:31/34 BuildDrone
@5:43 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:43 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:46 Evolved: Melee +1
@5:48 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:59 Spawned: Zergling+2
@6:00 Evolved: Metabolic Boost
@6:00 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:01 Evolved: Missile +1
@6:01 Spawned: Larva+4
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 48
---Final Output---
At time: 6:01
Minerals: 184 Gas: 53 Supply: 32/34
Drones: 16
Overlords: 4
Queens: 1
Zerglings: 8
Roaches: 5
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Melee +1
Missile +1
Metabolic Boost
------------------
Fri Nov 05 09:31:45 EDT 2010: 4046.0804765080075


dmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada270 Posts
November 05 2010 16:30 GMT
#888
mehau I am going to be posting in that thread about that douchebag trying to take credit for Lomilar's work.
rbx270j
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
November 05 2010 16:55 GMT
#889
On November 05 2010 19:34 rbx270j wrote:
Edit: I just fixed my problem.

After running it for only 15 mins, requesting 8 speedlings, 5 roaches, + 1 melee, +1 missile, only 6:01. Not bad at all.
+ Show Spoiler +
@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:13 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:24 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:30 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:34 M:54 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@0:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:45 M:68 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildExtractor
@0:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:55 M:101 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildOverlord
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:03 M:52 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Extractor+1
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:20 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:20 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:20 M:110 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:20 M:60 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 MineGas
@1:20 M:60 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:20 M:10 G:0 L:0 S:12/18 MineGas
@1:22 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:22 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:65 G:12 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:37 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:37 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:45 M:109 G:33 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:175 G:54 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:00 M:125 G:54 L:0 S:15/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:02 M:64 G:57 L:0 S:14/18 MineGas
@2:04 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:21 M:201 G3 L:1 S:14/18 BuildSpawningPool
@2:28 M:50 G:106 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:35 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@2:35 M:50 G:119 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:45 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:46 M:78 G:140 L:1 S:15/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:52 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:53 M:53 G:153 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:06 M:105 G:178 L:1 S:15/18 Melee +1
@3:10 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:21 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@3:21 M:130 G:107 L:2 S:15/18 Missile +1
@3:26 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@3:26 M:73 G:16 L:2 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:41 M:152 G:45 L:2 S:16/18 BuildQueen
@3:43 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:58 M:157 G:77 L:3 S:18/18 BuildRoachWarren
@4:10 M:111 G:100 L:3 S:17/18 Metabolic Boost
@4:15 M:54 G L:3 S:17/18 BuildZergling
@4:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:30 M:133 G:38 L:3 S:18/18 MineMineral
@4:30 M:133 G:38 L:3 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@4:31 Spawned: Queen+1
@4:32 Mining: +1 on mineral
@4:39 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:53 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@4:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:55 M:263 G:73 L:3 S:18/26 BuildZergling
@4:55 M:213 G:73 L:2 S:19/26 BuildZergling
@4:55 M:163 G:73 L:1 S:20/26 BuildOverlord
@5:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:10 M:202 G4 L:1 S:20/26 BuildRoach
@5:16 Spawned: Larva+4
@5:16 M:182 G:77 L:4 S:22/26 BuildRoach
@5:16 M:107 G:52 L:3 S:24/26 BuildRoach
@5:19 Spawned: Zergling+2
@5:19 Spawned: Zergling+2
@5:20 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:21 M:79 G:34 L:2 S:26/34 BuildRoach
@5:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:33 M:115 G:26 L:2 S:28/34 BuildRoach
@5:35 M:58 G:4 L:1 S:30/34 BuildZergling
@5:35 M:8 G:4 L:0 S:31/34 MineGas
@5:37 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:37 Mining: +1 on gas
@5:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:40 M:51 G:13 L:1 S:31/34 BuildDrone
@5:43 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:43 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:46 Evolved: Melee +1
@5:48 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:59 Spawned: Zergling+2
@6:00 Evolved: Metabolic Boost
@6:00 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:01 Evolved: Missile +1
@6:01 Spawned: Larva+4
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 48
---Final Output---
At time: 6:01
Minerals: 184 Gas: 53 Supply: 32/34
Drones: 16
Overlords: 4
Queens: 1
Zerglings: 8
Roaches: 5
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Melee +1
Missile +1
Metabolic Boost
------------------
Fri Nov 05 09:31:45 EDT 2010: 4046.0804765080075





At the cost of only 5 additional seconds total, I got a Spine down @ 4:30 for some much-needed defense.

+ Show Spoiler +
@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:13 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:24 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:30 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:34 M:54 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@0:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:51 M:106 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@0:54 M:26 G:0 L:1 S:10/10 BuildExtractor
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:02 M:52 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:16 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:16 M1 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:18 M:54 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:19 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:24 Spawned: Extractor+1
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:87 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:30 M:37 G:0 L:0 S:13/18 MineGas
@1:30 M:37 G:0 L:0 S:13/18 MineGas
@1:32 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:32 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:33 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:35 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:45 M:136 G:19 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:45 M:86 G:19 L:0 S:14/18 MineGas
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:47 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:191 G:47 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:15 M:256 G:76 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:19 M:238 G:83 L:0 S:16/18 BuildSpawningPool
@2:24 M:77 G3 L:0 S:15/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:31 M:52 G:106 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:45 M:111 G:133 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:50 M:101 G:142 L:0 S:16/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:59 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:00 M:104 G:161 L:1 S:15/18 Melee +1
@3:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:24 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@3:25 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@3:25 M:217 G:109 L:2 S:15/18 Missile +1
@3:25 M:117 G L:2 S:15/18 BuildZergling
@3:25 M:67 G L:1 S:16/18 BuildZergling
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:35 M:103 G:28 L:1 S:17/18 BuildSpineCrawler
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:49 Spawned: Zergling+2
@3:49 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:13 M:301 G:100 L:3 S:16/18 Metabolic Boost
@4:13 M:201 G:0 L:3 S:16/18 BuildRoachWarren
@4:13 M:51 G:0 L:3 S:15/18 BuildZergling
@4:25 Spawned: Spine Crawler+1
@4:27 M:101 G:26 L:2 S:16/18 BuildOverlord
@4:28 Spawned: Larva+1
---Waypoint 1---
At time: 4:30
Minerals: 22 Gas: 32 Supply: 16/18
Drones: 13
Overlords: 2
Zerglings: 4
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Spine Crawlers: 1
----------------
@4:34 M:50 G:40 L:2 S:16/18 BuildZergling
@4:37 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:43 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:52 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:58 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:58 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:08 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@5:08 M:242 G:104 L:3 S:17/26 BuildRoach
@5:08 M:167 G:79 L:2 S:19/26 BuildRoach
@5:08 M2 G:54 L:1 S:21/26 MineMineral
@5:08 M2 G:54 L:1 S:21/26 BuildRoach
@5:10 Mining: +1 on mineral
@5:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:23 M:134 G:50 L:1 S:23/26 BuildRoach
@5:35 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:35 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:35 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:38 M:176 G:46 L:1 S:25/26 ExtractorTrick
@5:38 M:151 G:46 L:1 S:24/26 BuildRoach
@5:40 Evolved: Melee +1
@5:40 Spawned: Extractor Trick Finished, Drone Restored
@5:50 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:03 Evolved: Metabolic Boost
@6:05 Evolved: Missile +1
@6:05 Spawned: Roach+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 52
---Final Output---
At time: 6:05
Minerals: 307 Gas: 59 Supply: 27/26
Drones: 13
Overlords: 3
Zerglings: 8
Roaches: 5
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Spine Crawlers: 1
Melee +1
Missile +1
Metabolic Boost
------------------
Fri Nov 05 12:26:37 EDT 2010: 4291.766873803716
QwiXXeR
Profile Joined July 2010
16 Posts
November 05 2010 16:59 GMT
#890
On November 06 2010 01:55 rbx270j wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2010 19:34 rbx270j wrote:
Edit: I just fixed my problem.

After running it for only 15 mins, requesting 8 speedlings, 5 roaches, + 1 melee, +1 missile, only 6:01. Not bad at all.
+ Show Spoiler +
@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:13 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:24 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:30 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:34 M:54 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@0:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:45 M:68 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildExtractor
@0:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:55 M:101 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildOverlord
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:03 M:52 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Extractor+1
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:20 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:20 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:20 M:110 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:20 M:60 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 MineGas
@1:20 M:60 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:20 M:10 G:0 L:0 S:12/18 MineGas
@1:22 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:22 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:65 G:12 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:37 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:37 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:45 M:109 G:33 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:175 G:54 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:00 M:125 G:54 L:0 S:15/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:02 M:64 G:57 L:0 S:14/18 MineGas
@2:04 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:21 M:201 G3 L:1 S:14/18 BuildSpawningPool
@2:28 M:50 G:106 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:35 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@2:35 M:50 G:119 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:45 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:46 M:78 G:140 L:1 S:15/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:52 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:53 M:53 G:153 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:06 M:105 G:178 L:1 S:15/18 Melee +1
@3:10 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:21 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@3:21 M:130 G:107 L:2 S:15/18 Missile +1
@3:26 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@3:26 M:73 G:16 L:2 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:41 M:152 G:45 L:2 S:16/18 BuildQueen
@3:43 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:58 M:157 G:77 L:3 S:18/18 BuildRoachWarren
@4:10 M:111 G:100 L:3 S:17/18 Metabolic Boost
@4:15 M:54 G L:3 S:17/18 BuildZergling
@4:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:30 M:133 G:38 L:3 S:18/18 MineMineral
@4:30 M:133 G:38 L:3 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@4:31 Spawned: Queen+1
@4:32 Mining: +1 on mineral
@4:39 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:53 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@4:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:55 M:263 G:73 L:3 S:18/26 BuildZergling
@4:55 M:213 G:73 L:2 S:19/26 BuildZergling
@4:55 M:163 G:73 L:1 S:20/26 BuildOverlord
@5:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:10 M:202 G4 L:1 S:20/26 BuildRoach
@5:16 Spawned: Larva+4
@5:16 M:182 G:77 L:4 S:22/26 BuildRoach
@5:16 M:107 G:52 L:3 S:24/26 BuildRoach
@5:19 Spawned: Zergling+2
@5:19 Spawned: Zergling+2
@5:20 Spawned: Overlord+1
@5:21 M:79 G:34 L:2 S:26/34 BuildRoach
@5:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:33 M:115 G:26 L:2 S:28/34 BuildRoach
@5:35 M:58 G:4 L:1 S:30/34 BuildZergling
@5:35 M:8 G:4 L:0 S:31/34 MineGas
@5:37 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:37 Mining: +1 on gas
@5:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:40 M:51 G:13 L:1 S:31/34 BuildDrone
@5:43 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:43 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:46 Evolved: Melee +1
@5:48 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:59 Spawned: Zergling+2
@6:00 Evolved: Metabolic Boost
@6:00 Spawned: Roach+1
@6:01 Evolved: Missile +1
@6:01 Spawned: Larva+4
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 48
---Final Output---
At time: 6:01
Minerals: 184 Gas: 53 Supply: 32/34
Drones: 16
Overlords: 4
Queens: 1
Zerglings: 8
Roaches: 5
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Melee +1
Missile +1
Metabolic Boost
------------------
Fri Nov 05 09:31:45 EDT 2010: 4046.0804765080075





At the cost of only 5 additional seconds total, I got a Spine down @ 4:30 for some much-needed defense.

+ Show Spoiler +
@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:13 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:24 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:30 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:34 M:54 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@0:41 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:51 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:51 M:106 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@0:54 M:26 G:0 L:1 S:10/10 BuildExtractor
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:02 M:52 G:0 L:2 S/10 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:16 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:16 M1 G:0 L:2 S:10/18 BuildDrone
@1:18 M:54 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:19 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:24 Spawned: Extractor+1
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:87 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:30 M:37 G:0 L:0 S:13/18 MineGas
@1:30 M:37 G:0 L:0 S:13/18 MineGas
@1:32 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:32 Mining: +1 on gas
@1:33 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:35 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:45 M:136 G:19 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:45 M:86 G:19 L:0 S:14/18 MineGas
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:47 Mining: +1 on gas
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:191 G:47 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:15 M:256 G:76 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:19 M:238 G:83 L:0 S:16/18 BuildSpawningPool
@2:24 M:77 G3 L:0 S:15/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:31 M:52 G:106 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:45 M:111 G:133 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:48 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:50 M:101 G:142 L:0 S:16/18 BuildEvolutionChamber
@2:59 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:00 M:104 G:161 L:1 S:15/18 Melee +1
@3:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:24 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@3:25 Spawned: Evolution Chamber+1
@3:25 M:217 G:109 L:2 S:15/18 Missile +1
@3:25 M:117 G L:2 S:15/18 BuildZergling
@3:25 M:67 G L:1 S:16/18 BuildZergling
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:35 M:103 G:28 L:1 S:17/18 BuildSpineCrawler
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:49 Spawned: Zergling+2
@3:49 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:13 M:301 G:100 L:3 S:16/18 Metabolic Boost
@4:13 M:201 G:0 L:3 S:16/18 BuildRoachWarren
@4:13 M:51 G:0 L:3 S:15/18 BuildZergling
@4:25 Spawned: Spine Crawler+1
@4:27 M:101 G:26 L:2 S:16/18 BuildOverlord
@4:28 Spawned: Larva+1
---Waypoint 1---
At time: 4:30
Minerals: 22 Gas: 32 Supply: 16/18
Drones: 13
Overlords: 2
Zerglings: 4
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Spine Crawlers: 1
----------------
@4:34 M:50 G:40 L:2 S:16/18 BuildZergling
@4:37 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:43 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:52 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:58 Spawned: Zergling+2
@4:58 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:08 Spawned: Roach Warren+1
@5:08 M:242 G:104 L:3 S:17/26 BuildRoach
@5:08 M:167 G:79 L:2 S:19/26 BuildRoach
@5:08 M2 G:54 L:1 S:21/26 MineMineral
@5:08 M2 G:54 L:1 S:21/26 BuildRoach
@5:10 Mining: +1 on mineral
@5:23 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:23 M:134 G:50 L:1 S:23/26 BuildRoach
@5:35 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:35 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:35 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:38 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:38 M:176 G:46 L:1 S:25/26 ExtractorTrick
@5:38 M:151 G:46 L:1 S:24/26 BuildRoach
@5:40 Evolved: Melee +1
@5:40 Spawned: Extractor Trick Finished, Drone Restored
@5:50 Spawned: Roach+1
@5:53 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:03 Evolved: Metabolic Boost
@6:05 Evolved: Missile +1
@6:05 Spawned: Roach+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 52
---Final Output---
At time: 6:05
Minerals: 307 Gas: 59 Supply: 27/26
Drones: 13
Overlords: 3
Zerglings: 8
Roaches: 5
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Spine Crawlers: 1
Melee +1
Missile +1
Metabolic Boost
------------------
Fri Nov 05 12:26:37 EDT 2010: 4291.766873803716


U tried squeezing more drones in that frist waypoint ?, i think you could ? mite reduce the total time
Lomilar
Profile Joined July 2010
United States130 Posts
November 05 2010 17:53 GMT
#891
On November 05 2010 18:47 mehau wrote:
Hi Lomilar,

I think you are aware of this, but there is a guy called Incinerate on the US battle.net forums taking credit for the builds your program has come up with.

http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/902030865
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/933033955

He "independently" came up with the 7RR (and now a 3RR variant) just a week or so after this thread was started. To validate his claims he changes a few tiny details from the program build and calls it "proof". Looking at the builds, any sane person other than those who don't know of your software, can tell it is not a coincidence.

Now you don't sound like a guy who cares much about e-fame, but that does not mean this kind of behaviour should be tolerated. Even a link to this thread would help the people worshipping this douche on US realise he is a fraud. And he is the worst kind - the smug, self-confessed-genius kind.

I can't post on US myself, but I'm hoping maybe someone in this thread can take this guy to task.

Anyway, keep up the great work.


In one of the threads, where he outlined the first 7RR w/extractor trick, he is taken to task somewhere in page 8. To be honest, it is the internet. These things happen. In case you are concerned that I am not getting credit, uh...

http://lbrandy.com/blog/2010/11/using-genetic-algorithms-to-find-starcraft-2-build-orders/
http://slashdot.org/story/10/11/02/0211249/Developing-emStarCraft-2em-Build-Orders-With-Genetic-Algorithms
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/104934-StarCraft-II-Fan-Breaks-the-Competitive-Scene-Using-Evolution
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/11/genetic-algorithms-starcraft/
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dzla4/using_genetic_algorithms_to_find_starcraft_2/
http://www.pcgamer.com/2010/11/02/computer-program-finds-devastating-starcraft-2-build-orders/

The 7RR was supposed to be an example of non-intuitive gameplay leading to end results. I haven't really thought of the build as mine, though I did play it a few times.

Undoubtedly, there will be some build orders found by the program that people take credit for. I think they should have credit, because with this, it is less about how you get there, and more about what the build is good/bad at. I do give him props for using it and exploring its advantages, making derivatives of it (7RR all-in) and the videos.

No such thing as bad press.
crw
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada70 Posts
November 05 2010 18:41 GMT
#892
i just went to the US forums and complained that incinerate ripped off lomilar.

that's sad what he did
Zerg need heavy buffs from Tier 1 to tier 3, against Terran and Protoss. blizzard needs to get on the ball or lose SC2 as an eSports venue.
ConsummateK
Profile Joined April 2010
United States98 Posts
November 05 2010 18:51 GMT
#893
I've been playing with this just this morning - getting the timings down in my head and rehearsed etc. It seems pretty lethal, it's somewhat vulnerable to a ling all in though - at least that's the only thing I've lost to so far (that wasn't due to my own mistakes anyway >.<)
dmillz
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada270 Posts
November 05 2010 19:18 GMT
#894
The thing is Lomilar that he should at least give a little credit whereas he states that it was 100% him nothing else.
montesc2
Profile Joined September 2010
6 Posts
November 05 2010 19:47 GMT
#895
It says that the builds will be saved automatically after hitting the stop button, but all I can find are some files in the "etc" folder, for example seeds.evo . How can I open them?? Doesnt work to open them with the actual program, neither with notepad.
Lomilar
Profile Joined July 2010
United States130 Posts
November 05 2010 19:51 GMT
#896
On November 06 2010 04:47 montesc2 wrote:
It says that the builds will be saved automatically after hitting the stop button, but all I can find are some files in the "etc" folder, for example seeds.evo . How can I open them?? Doesnt work to open them with the actual program, neither with notepad.


v0018 you'll be able to see them, reload them, and delete them.
montesc2
Profile Joined September 2010
6 Posts
November 05 2010 19:55 GMT
#897
ok, sweet. Thanks for the effort of making such a nice theorycraft tool Keep it up
Phinix
Profile Joined October 2010
United States116 Posts
November 05 2010 19:57 GMT
#898
Wow,...

Lomilar, I've got to be honest,... I didn't take you seriously when you first posted this...

I'm an IT guy (More SysAdmin and Networking than anything else) who likes to play with Python and other such simple coding things when convenient or when I have a particular interest to pursue,...
For some reason, I figured you were another script kiddie who was over-embellishing his creation, probably because I was projecting my own past personality onto you or some such nonsensical psychological reasoning. :-)

But, again, Wow,... You have some massive and earnestly respectful Kudos from me now.
(Not that I feel my opinion should matter - I just want to express it).

For one, build orders produced by your work have upset the community a bit - which I find to be a total credit to your success. :-D *thumbsup*
Furthermore, you're being as humble as Torvalds about all of this!
To be honest, it is the internet. These things happen.

...I like this guy,...

Seriously,... good work!
My wife thinks day[9] is hot
Lomilar
Profile Joined July 2010
United States130 Posts
November 05 2010 20:43 GMT
#899
Thanks, Phinix. Like many of my past projects, I probably would have dropped this a while ago if it hadn't been for the encouragement and community that has built up around it. There are 8 other coders at least who have put their time and effort into it as well. It is remarkable the kind of support the SC2 community will give when it sees something valuable.

The tool still has not been proven at the pro-gamer level, unless I am missing some VODs. On that day, I will be impressed. Even more so if it works.

:-)
Barundar
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1582 Posts
November 05 2010 21:00 GMT
#900
Certainly has had an impact on ladder games
Bartundar
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