Zerg Build Order optimizer. - Page 28

tetracycloide

295 Posts

October 23 2010 17:09 GMT

#541

Mineral collection rates shouldn't be an average at all. They should be a stepping function that increments minerals by 5 every x seconds where x is a function of the number of miners on that base. I'm not sure if that's already being done though since I haven't seen the code.

icezar

Germany240 Posts

October 23 2010 17:14 GMT

#542

We have prove that 9 OV is best for 13+ pool. This prog does 10OV or extractor trick for pools before 13 that is correct.

Rosvall

Sweden122 Posts

October 23 2010 17:40 GMT

#543

On October 24 2010 02:14 icezar wrote:
We have prove that 9 OV is best for 13+ pool. This prog does 10OV or extractor trick for pools before 13 that is correct.

Link that proof please

iluvatoq

Belgium8 Posts

October 23 2010 17:45 GMT

#544

This program has ben running for 3 straight hours to find out how to get 10 zerglings in 8 min .. i think it's pretty easy to do but ... hmz

I don't know if i do something wrng ... is there a guide for it so i can check it

Greetz iLu

Dionyseus

United States2068 Posts

October 23 2010 17:50 GMT

#545

On October 24 2010 02:45 iluvatoq wrote:
This program has ben running for 3 straight hours to find out how to get 10 zerglings in 8 min .. i think it's pretty easy to do but ... hmz

I don't know if i do something wrng ... is there a guide for it so i can check it

Greetz iLu

Are you sure it didn't solve it already? It should say "Satisfied" when it completes your orders, but it'll continue running to try to improve the time and resources.

Rosvall

Sweden122 Posts

October 23 2010 17:55 GMT

#546

The program will Never stop and say "this is the best build order". It will run and run and run and try to improve it. (Well, not really try to improve it... rather spam more mutations in hope one will be better than the current).

redviper

Pakistan2333 Posts

October 23 2010 18:02 GMT

#547

I ran it over night (ended with 650 million games played!) to find the fastest 5 BL build. 5 BL in 9:16!

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@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:12 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:23 M:53 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:29 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:32 M:50 G:0 L:2 S

/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@0:59 M:75 G:0 L:1 S:10/10 ExtractorTrick
@0:59 M:50 G:0 L:1 S

/10 BuildDrone
@1:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:01 Spawned: Extractor Trick Finished, Drone Restored
@1:14 Spawned: Overlord+1
@1:14 M:124 G:0 L:1 S:11/18 BuildDrone
@1:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:15 M:81 G:0 L:1 S:12/18 BuildDrone
@1:16 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:30 M:149 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:30 M

9 G:0 L:0 S:14/18 BuildExtractor
@1:31 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:45 M:202 G:0 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@1:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:51 M:207 G:0 L:0 S:14/18 BuildSpawningPool
@2:00 Spawned: Extractor+1
@2:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:00 M:82 G:1 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:15 M:138 G:30 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:30 M:205 G:58 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@2:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:45 M:283 G:87 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
@2:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:56 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@3:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:00 M:371 G:115 L:1 S:17/18 BuildDrone
@3:00 M:321 G:115 L:0 S:18/18 BuildLair
@3:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:15 M:319 G:44 L:1 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@3:15 M:219 G:44 L:0 S:18/18 BuildExtractor
@3:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:30 M:342 G:72 L:1 S:17/18 BuildDrone
@3:40 Spawned: Overlord+1
@3:45 Spawned: Extractor+1
@3:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:45 M:439 G:103 L:1 S:18/26 BuildDrone
@3:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:00 M:517 G:160 L:1 S:19/26 BuildDrone
@4:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:15 M:605 G:217 L:1 S:20/26 BuildDrone
@4:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:20 Spawned: Lairs+1
@4:20 M:604 G:236 L:0 S:21/26 BuildHatchery
@4:20 M:304 G:236 L:0 S:20/26 BuildInfestationPit
@4:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:30 M:290 G:174 L:1 S:19/26 BuildDrone
@4:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:45 M:378 G:231 L:1 S:20/26 BuildDrone
@4:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:00 M:476 G:288 L:1 S:21/26 BuildDrone
@5:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:10 Spawned: Infestation Pit+1
@5:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:15 M:583 G:345 L:1 S:22/26 BuildDrone
@5:15 M:533 G:345 L:0 S:23/26 BuildHive
@5:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:17 M:355 G:202 L:0 S:23/26 BuildSpire
@5:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:30 M:292 G:52 L:1 S:22/26 BuildDrone
@5:30 M:242 G:52 L:0 S:23/26 BuildExtractor
@5:30 M:217 G:52 L:0 S:22/26 BuildExtractor
@5:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:45 M:340 G:109 L:1 S:21/26 BuildDrone
@5:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:00 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@6:00 Spawned: Extractor+1
@6:00 Spawned: Extractor+1
@6:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:00 M:444 G:170 L:2 S:22/28 BuildDrone
@6:00 M:394 G:170 L:1 S:23/28 BuildDrone
@6:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:15 M:453 G:284 L:2 S:24/28 BuildOverlord
@6:15 M:353 G:284 L:1 S:24/28 BuildDrone
@6:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:30 M:430 G:398 L:2 S:25/28 BuildDrone
@6:30 M:380 G:398 L:1 S:26/28 BuildDrone
@6:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:40 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:45 M:468 G:512 L:2 S:27/36 BuildDrone
@6:45 M:418 G:512 L:1 S:28/36 BuildDrone
@6:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:47 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:55 Spawned: Hives+1
@6:57 Spawned: Spire+1
@7:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:00 M:525 G:626 L:2 S:29/36 BuildDrone
@7:00 M:475 G:626 L:1 S:30/36 BuildDrone
@7:00 M:425 G:626 L:0 S:31/36 BuildGreaterSpire
@7:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:02 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:15 M:503 G:590 L:2 S:31/36 BuildDrone
@7:15 M:453 G:590 L:1 S:32/36 BuildDrone
@7:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:30 M:604 G:704 L:2 S:33/36 BuildCorruptor
@7:30 M:454 G:604 L:1 S:35/36 BuildOverlord
@7:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:55 Spawned: Overlord+1
@7:55 M:726 G:794 L:2 S:35/44 BuildCorruptor
@7:55 M:576 G:694 L:1 S:37/44 BuildCorruptor
@8:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:00 M:501 G:632 L:2 S:39/44 BuildCorruptor
@8:00 M:351 G:532 L:1 S:41/44 BuildCorruptor
@8:10 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@8:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:15 M:425 G:546 L:2 S:43/44 BuildDrone
@8:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:32 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:35 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@8:35 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@8:40 Spawned: Greater Spire+1
@8:40 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@8:40 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@8:40 M:755 G:736 L:3 S:44/44 BuildBroodLord
@8:40 M:605 G:586 L:3 S:44/44 BuildBroodLord
@8:40 M:455 G:436 L:3 S:44/44 BuildBroodLord
@8:40 M:305 G:286 L:3 S:44/44 BuildBroodLord
@8:42 M:187 G:151 L:3 S:44/44 BuildBroodLord
@8:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:46 M:100 G:31 L:5 S:44/44 BuildOverlord
@9:00 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:11 Spawned: Overlord+1
@9:14 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@9:14 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@9:14 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@9:14 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@9:16 Spawned: Brood Lord+1

For a safer build I can get 5 brood lords, 6muta and 6lings in 11:51 ( stopped this one early though since I wanted to experiment more).

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@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:43 M:202 G:0 L:3 S:7/10 BuildSpawningPool
@0:55 M:54 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@1:06 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@1:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:17 M:52 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@1:22 M:27 G:0 L:1 S

/10 BuildExtractor
@1:23 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:32 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@1:34 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:41 M:51 G:0 L:2 S

/10 BuildDrone
@1:48 Spawned: Spawning Pool+1
@1:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@1:52 Spawned: Extractor+1
@1:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@1:58 Spawned: Drone+1
@2:00 M:100 G:17 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord
@2:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:25 Spawned: Overlord+1
@2:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:25 M:124 G:64 L:3 S:10/18 BuildZergling
@2:25 M:74 G:64 L:2 S:11/18 BuildZergling
@2:31 M:53 G:76 L:1 S:12/18 BuildZergling
@2:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:41 M:53 G

5 L:1 S:13/18 BuildDrone
@2:49 Spawned: Zergling+2
@2:49 Spawned: Zergling+2
@2:55 Spawned: Zergling+2
@2:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@2:55 M:72 G:121 L:1 S:14/18 BuildDrone
@2:58 Spawned: Drone+1
---Waypoint 0---
At time: 3:00
Minerals: 49 Gas: 131 Supply: 15/18
Drones: 11
Overlords: 2
Zerglings: 6
Hatcheries: 1
Gas Extractors: 1
Spawning Pools: 1
----------------
@3:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:10 M:105 G:150 L:1 S:15/18 BuildDrone
@3:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:25 M:149 G:178 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
@3:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:33 M:155 G:193 L:0 S:17/18 BuildLair
@3:36 M:27 G

9 L:0 S:17/18 BuildExtractor
@3:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:42 Spawned: Drone+1
@3:44 M:55 G:114 L:1 S:16/18 BuildDrone
@3:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@3:55 M:83 G:135 L:1 S:17/18 BuildDrone
@4:01 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:06 Spawned: Extractor+1
@4:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:10 M:136 G:173 L:1 S:18/18 BuildOverlord
@4:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:35 Spawned: Overlord+1
@4:35 M:194 G:268 L:1 S:18/26 BuildDrone
@4:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:40 M:175 G:287 L:1 S:19/26 BuildDrone
@4:52 Spawned: Drone+1
@4:53 Spawned: Lairs+1
@4:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@4:55 M:224 G:344 L:1 S:20/26 BuildDrone
@4:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:10 M:291 G:401 L:1 S:21/26 BuildDrone
@5:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:25 M:369 G:458 L:1 S:22/26 BuildDrone
@5:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:27 M:337 G:466 L:0 S:23/26 BuildInfestationPit
@5:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:40 M:349 G:415 L:1 S:22/26 BuildDrone
@5:42 Spawned: Drone+1
@5:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@5:55 M:437 G:472 L:1 S:23/26 BuildDrone
@5:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:10 M:534 G:529 L:1 S:24/26 BuildDrone
@6:10 M:484 G:529 L:0 S:25/26 BuildHatchery
@6:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:12 M:204 G:537 L:0 S:24/26 BuildSpire
@6:17 Spawned: Infestation Pit+1
@6:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:25 M:124 G:386 L:1 S:23/26 BuildOverlord
@6:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@6:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:43 M:201 G:455 L:1 S:23/26 BuildHive
@6:48 M:51 G:324 L:1 S:23/26 BuildDrone
@6:50 Spawned: Overlord+1
@6:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@6:55 M:70 G:350 L:1 S:24/34 BuildDrone
@7:05 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:10 M:173 G:407 L:1 S:25/34 BuildDrone
@7:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:25 M:290 G:464 L:1 S:26/34 BuildDrone
@7:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:40 M:411 G:521 L:1 S:27/34 BuildDrone
@7:40 M:361 G:521 L:0 S:28/34 BuildExtractor
@7:42 Spawned: Drone+1
@7:50 Spawned: Hatchery+1
@7:52 Spawned: Spire+1
@7:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@7:55 M:510 G:578 L:2 S:27/36 BuildDrone
@7:55 M:460 G:578 L:1 S:28/36 BuildDrone
@7:57 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:10 Spawned: Extractor+1
@8:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:10 M:597 G:637 L:2 S:29/36 BuildOverlord
@8:10 M:497 G:637 L:1 S:29/36 BuildExtractor
@8:10 M:472 G:637 L:1 S:28/36 BuildMutalisk
@8:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@8:23 Spawned: Hives+1
@8:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:25 M:539 G:623 L:2 S:30/36 BuildMutalisk
@8:25 M:439 G:523 L:1 S:32/36 BuildGreaterSpire
@8:25 M:339 G:373 L:1 S:32/36 BuildOverlord
@8:35 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:40 Spawned: Extractor+1
@8:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:40 M:405 G:460 L:2 S:32/44 BuildMutalisk
@8:40 M:305 G:360 L:1 S:34/44 BuildMutalisk
@8:43 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@8:50 Spawned: Overlord+1
@8:55 Spawned: Larva+1
@8:55 M:344 G:374 L:2 S:36/52 BuildDrone
@8:55 M:294 G:374 L:1 S:37/52 BuildMutalisk
@8:58 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:10 M:333 G:388 L:2 S:39/52 BuildDrone
@9:10 M:283 G:388 L:1 S:40/52 BuildMutalisk
@9:12 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:13 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:13 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:25 M:331 G:402 L:2 S:42/52 BuildCorruptor
@9:25 M:181 G:302 L:1 S:44/52 BuildCorruptor
@9:27 Spawned: Drone+1
@9:28 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@9:40 M:188 G:316 L:2 S:46/52 BuildCorruptor
@9:43 Spawned: Mutalisk+1
@9:51 M:154 G:300 L:1 S:48/52 BuildCorruptor
@9:55 Spawned: Larva+1
---Waypoint 1---
At time: 10:00
Minerals: 99 Gas: 268 Supply: 50/52
Drones: 27
Overlords: 6
Zerglings: 6
Mutalisks: 6
Hatcheries: 1
Hives: 1
Gas Extractors: 4
Spawning Pools: 1
Infestation Pit: 1
----------------
@10:05 Spawned: Greater Spire+1
@10:05 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@10:05 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@10:05 M:152 G:306 L:2 S:50/52 BuildCorruptor
@10:10 Spawned: Larva+1
@10:19 M:150 G:312 L:3 S:52/52 BuildBroodLord
@10:20 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@10:25 Spawned: Larva+1
@10:31 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@10:34 M:158 G:276 L:5 S:52/52 BuildBroodLord
@10:40 Spawned: Larva+1
@10:45 Spawned: Corruptor+1
@10:48 M:156 G:233 L:6 S:52/52 BuildBroodLord
@10:53 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@11:02 M:153 G:189 L:6 S:52/52 BuildBroodLord
@11:08 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@11:17 M:162 G:153 L:6 S:52/52 BuildBroodLord
@11:22 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@11:26 M:106 G:72 L:6 S:52/52 BuildOverlord
@11:36 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@11:41 Spawned: Larva+1
@11:51 Spawned: Brood Lord+1
@11:51 Spawned: Overlord+1
Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 67
---Final Output---
At time: 11:51
Minerals: 270 Gas: 262 Supply: 52/60
Drones: 27
Overlords: 7
Zerglings: 6
Mutalisks: 6
Brood Lords: 5
Hatcheries: 1
Hives: 1
Gas Extractors: 4
Spawning Pools: 1
Infestation Pit: 1
Greater Spire: 1
------------------

I tried both in YABOT and was off by only 30-40 seconds (and I have very low apm).

My only request is to have the output in YABOT format for testing. Although its not always possible since there is a 770 char limit on YABOT BOs.

iluvatoq

Belgium8 Posts

October 23 2010 18:04 GMT

#548

but where can i find those results then ?

FireHazard

United States54 Posts

October 23 2010 18:06 GMT

#549

Thanks so much for releasing this, this is really a lot of fun to play with. Very impressive.

Dikun

Canada17 Posts

October 23 2010 18:07 GMT

#550

This is quite interesting o_o is it me or does it also recommend 11 pool

Dionyseus

United States2068 Posts

October 23 2010 18:08 GMT

#551

On October 24 2010 03:04 iluvatoq wrote:
but where can i find those results then ?

At the right side. Should say things like:
@0:00 M:50 G:0 L:3 S:6/10 BuildDrone
@0:12 M:51 G:0 L:2 S:7/10 BuildDrone
@0:15 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:17 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:23 M:53 G:0 L:2 S:8/10 BuildDrone
@0:29 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:30 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:32 M:50 G:0 L:2 S

/10 BuildDrone
@0:40 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:45 Spawned: Larva+1
@0:49 Spawned: Drone+1
@0:49 M:104 G:0 L:2 S:10/10 BuildOverlord

M stands for minerals, G stands for gold, S is supply. Spawned is when the unit actually comes out. At the end it'll give you a summary like this:
--Final Output---
At time: 7:48
Minerals: 264 Gas: 102 Supply: 58/58
Drones: 30
Overlords: 7
Queens: 1
Zerglings: 4
Roaches: 8
Hydralisks: 4
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 2
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Hydralisk Den: 1
Metabolic Boost
Glial Reconstitution
Grooved Spines

redviper

Pakistan2333 Posts

October 23 2010 18:08 GMT

#552

Quick correction but this is SC2, G is for gas

redviper

Pakistan2333 Posts

October 23 2010 18:10 GMT

#553

On October 24 2010 01:52 Lomilar wrote:

Show nested quote +

I'm a professional software engineer. I am currently working on research grants for the US's National Science Foundation.

Thanks for the props. I am still skeptical about the interface, but a lot of people like it. :-)

As scientists love saying, "get the fucking interface out of the way" which is how it should be.

iluvatoq

Belgium8 Posts

October 23 2010 18:12 GMT

#554

I only see on the right side

Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 1
---Final Output---
At time: 0:01
Minerals: 54 Gas: 0 Supply: 6/10
Drones: 6
Overlords: 1
Hatcheries: 1
------------------
Sat Oct 23 16:40:07 CEST 2010: 601.054

redviper

Pakistan2333 Posts

October 23 2010 18:18 GMT

#555

What are your constraints? It seems like you are not giving it any goals.

Neo.NEt

United States785 Posts

October 23 2010 18:19 GMT

#556

I have WP0: Zerglings: 1 @ 3:30 and Final: 32 drones 10 roaches 1 hatch 1 lair glial recon. 1 evo and +1 missle @ 7:00 and I keep getting "Failed to meet waypoint: BuildLair" but it already built the lair and researched glial... Should I assume it's trying to make a second lair and let it run longer? I've found that usually it finds a pretty good result in the first minute and then every couple of minutes it may knock it down a second, but I've ran this one for like 6 million and it hasn't found a result.

What's the longest you guys have seen it take to get the first "satisfied" result?

Wouldn't it take far less time if you could set the max number of things? I know I need <=1 spawning pool, roach warren, hatchery, lair, evo chamber, <10 overlords, etc. Is that something that is coming later?

iluvatoq

Belgium8 Posts

October 23 2010 18:20 GMT

#557

ON WP0 i set

Drones 15
Queens 1
Zerglings 10
Metabolic boost on
Hatchery 1

But rofl as i read above reply i don't set anything on final .. thats perhaps the reason ?

Utena

United States32 Posts

October 23 2010 18:22 GMT

#558

I really love the idea of this. I love evolutionary programming, and this is a really neat idea. I'm actually probably going to download the code again to play with it.

Some notes I've found while running it:

Right now I'm typing in 15 mutalisks, just to see where it gets too. (Lair Rush FTW).

It has 4 extractors on one hatch. This really isn't possible. (Unless Hatches:1 means beyond the first hatch... that must be it.)

Also, I wonder if it might be more efficient if you put some hard rules into the genome. Such as if you ever get more of a building than you need upgrades in it, it's a stop codon, and the build is invalid (My evolution chain had a 3 spawning pool build in it for a long time as the 'best' build.)

Right now it's at:

10 Extractor
10 OL
10 Extractor trick
11 pool
10 lair
17 OL
18 extractor
18 Hatch
19 Spire
20 OL
20 Extractor

Then OLs and Mutas out.

VERY fun idea....

Also, are you looking for any other Java programmers to help out? I would love to contribute some code or whatever if you still want some help.

redviper

Pakistan2333 Posts

October 23 2010 18:26 GMT

#559

Can't be one Hatch. You build the hatch at 18 and 3rd extractor at 20. It might make you build the extractor earlier than your hatch completes so you can immediately move drones to gas.

Neo.NEt

United States785 Posts

October 23 2010 18:28 GMT

#560

On October 24 2010 01:56 zokj wrote:
Going to give this one a shot..

Satisfied.
Number of actions in build order: 87
---Final Output---
At time: 9:30
Minerals: 230 Gas: 88 Supply: 73/74
Drones: 28
Overlords: 8
Overseers: 1
Queens: 1
Zerglings: 26
Roaches: 15
Lairs: 1
Gas Extractors: 2
Spawning Pools: 1
Roach Warrens: 1
Evolution Chambers: 2
Nydus Networks: 1
Nydus Worms: 1
Melee +1
Missile +1
Armor +1
Metabolic Boost
Glial Reconstitution

Very cool program! should just enough to either expand or do two nydus.. think 9m is too late?

Remember it tries to do EXACTLY what you say ASAP. If you say "I want 10 roaches by 6:00" you might get a result like 22 drones and 10 roaches @ 5:59. It then might cancel that result and say "hey I found a better result, 12 drones and 10 roaches @ 5:58". Obviously having 10 more drones and the same number of roaches 1 second later is 100000 times better, but you told it that faster is better and you don't care how many drones there are. That being said, I think you're build could be a lot better if you really think about what to set the constraints as. 10 minutes into the game with 1 hatch and 28 drones is not very good. Try adding another hatch, more drones, or not doing those things and doing it in less time. If you do it in less time, reduce the number of lings and roaches. Also, you finish with 230 minerals. Think about what you can set it to spend them. Add another roach? Add another hatch if you were short of larva. Look at the result, see why you couldn't spend those minerals, and fix it. If you finish with a ton of gas think about why. Did it really need to get the gas so early? If so, is there a way you can spend it? If not, you'll just have to figure out when to pull a guy off gas. You only had like 50 extra gas in your example so no big deal, but if you finish with like 300, you should look into it. I always add "Zerglings:1" @ like 3:30 or early on for scouting purposes. I think that makes it more realistic because nobody is going to let you sit in your base the whole game without a unit.

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