Zerg Build Order optimizer. - Page 12

On October 14 2010 05:30 Aberu wrote:
Let's say you get 7 roaches super fast thanks to this. But then he went just a few marauders, and held off the attack. Your economy now sucks, and you lose. That's why this isn't as amazing as the OP is claming it to be. No build can be ironed out in this way. There is no godlike build in Starcraft. It's not like Red Alert 2 was (where literally you had to get 3 tanks as fast as possible and push out and reinforce in Soviet vs Soviet, or you lost).

On October 14 2010 03:25 Phrencys wrote:
@tetracycloide

just because you don't have 0min/0gas after reaching your goal doesn't mean that the build isn't optimized to get the mutas ASAP.

On October 14 2010 08:48 Eknoid4 wrote:
this really is not as special or significant as this thread makes it seem.

It's not realistic. At best it would be a worse version of heal meters in WoW. "Yeah dude ur so bad u got ur 7th roach out at 4:42 instead of 4:40 that's why u lost"

On October 14 2010 08:43 gustavo wrote:
Wouldn't mapping every possible build up to say 25min of game and then building a DB be more efficient than what you're doing?

I don't think theres that many builds specially when you disconsider the obvious silly builds.

On October 14 2010 08:54 Dionyseus wrote:


Believe it or not for pros 1 second can be enough time to be the reason why you won or lost.

On October 14 2010 09:29 Eknoid4 wrote:

Believe it or not pros would still have to figure out how this build actually holds up in real combat which means practicing it regardless of the computer's "perfect timing"

So they'd be back to where they are now. Working the kinks out of builds they've tried. Having a computer program spit out a time wouldn't help any pro more than playing it against another pro would.

That's probably possible... if you let your PC calculate this for around 10 years and then spend the next 30 years disconsidering all the "silly" builds by yourself. Up to 25 minutes? Are you kidding?

On October 14 2010 09:47 gustavo wrote:


I'm going to code it, you're vastly overestimating the number of possibilities, as for the "silly" builds I dont need to look to check if its a silly build I can simply take it out a plethora of them by inserting rules such as dont build overlords if supply left >20 , dont expand more than x before x minutes etccc...

Computers are really powerful these days, it will definitely not take years ;D

EDIT: Even Billions is a huge underestimation - not all units are buildable in the beginning but over the course of the game we can probably consider about 15 different possibilities for each supply point, when you build a spine crawler etc. it frees another supply, so the number is probably even bigger - but if we take this we are looking at a rough estimate of 15^200 possibilities... good luck at enforcing any rules on that number.