EPTSo what will it take for SC2 to be considered on par with BW? Will it take a a 10+ year run, with almost perfect balance, and a comparable professional E-Sports scene to BW Pro League for the hard core BW players to finally acknowledge SC2 is on par with BW?
If SC2 has a 10 year run,will it be as good as BW?
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
So what will it take for SC2 to be considered on par with BW? Will it take a a 10+ year run, with almost perfect balance, and a comparable professional E-Sports scene to BW Pro League for the hard core BW players to finally acknowledge SC2 is on par with BW? | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On October 07 2010 14:22 StarcraftMan wrote: SC2 still has trouble garnering the proper respect from hard core BW players. BW players continually point to SC2's lack of balance, easier mechanics, etc, as reasons why SC2 is inferior to BW. So what will it take for SC2 to be considered on par with BW? Will it take a a 10+ year run, with almost perfect balance, and a comparable professional E-Sports scene to BW Pro League for the hard core BW players to finally acknowledge SC2 is on par with BW? you're assuming that it is right now and that everyone's just waiting for us to admit it when the fact of the matter is that right now the game isn't but i believe it COULD be in the future. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
1. The skill ceiling needs to be as high as people hope it is. 2. Blizzard needs to get their balancing act together. 3. Sponsors need to get involved with pro teams so that players can afford to keep playing the game without fear of dying of starvation if they don't place less than top 4 in the GSL. | ||
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DonKey_
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
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john0507
164 Posts
Mechanics being easier is not a bad thing. Less APM needed dabbling in the little little stuffs , means more APM used micro other stuffs. It's completely understandable that those hardcore BW players that played an old game for 10+ years have trouble adapting to a new environment But SC2 actually allows for more exciting games and maneuvers when it reaches peak skill level. | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 07 2010 14:33 Tachion wrote: 1. The skill ceiling needs to be as high as people hope it is. I definitely agree with this point. In some weird way, BW's great run was related to the depth of the game - I don't even think the original developers ever thought the skill ceiling and hidden tricks/strategies could take so many years to unfold, and yet the game could stay balanced after the rise in top skill level. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
i have confidence that it will eventually be fixed up. | ||
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john0507
164 Posts
He'd see that SC2 currently is actually doing 10x better than BW in it's first half year. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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sureshot_
United States257 Posts
Totally agree with the skill ceiling, but I think a really easy way to increase the cap overall is to just add more units. Hopefully this will happen after HoS and LoV are released, doing so will totally refresh the multiplayer experience. Theres already a bunch of custom games on Bnet taking advantage of the lurker, scourge units in the database, plus wraiths, goliaths and all that good Terran stuff. You also have to remember that a skill cap is only theoretical. No one is or ever will be perfect and the cap is only going to continue to rise as more and more strategies, builds and tactics are thought up and put to the test. | ||
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On October 07 2010 14:22 StarcraftMan wrote: SC2 still has trouble garnering the proper respect from hard core BW players. BW players continually point to SC2's lack of balance, easier mechanics, etc, as reasons why SC2 is inferior to BW. So what will it take for SC2 to be considered on par with BW? Will it take a a 10+ year run, with almost perfect balance, and a comparable professional E-Sports scene to BW Pro League for the hard core BW players to finally acknowledge SC2 is on par with BW? Source? Of course there are going to be guys who will stick with Brood War there were players who stuck to vanilla star craft saying the game was better almost until Starcraft 2 was announced. You will never get the "hardcore" audience from the previous game to switch over 100%. BW will always outshine SC2 because it was the first the more loved child who brought professional gaming into light, without BW SC2 would not exist so it will never be considered "on par." The most that can be aimed for is "a worthy successor" role just as good of a game rightfully made to take the place for a new generation. In order to do this the balance will have to be worked out both from the race perspective and the map pools improved. Esports features need to be improved. Most of what will make SC2 a great game at this point lie in Blizzard's court because the community is jumping all over to do as much as possible. So at this point we watch blizzard with baited breath and hope that they make the right decisions pausing to yell and rage when we think they didn't and occasionally get proven wrong. But we will not truly know how good of a game SC2 is in the short term. | ||
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 07 2010 14:56 Terranist wrote: this has been discussed to death. the brood war generation will take it for granted while the kids now days will treasure it. everything is more awesome when you're were young and grew up with it. I'm from the BW generation. Heck, I'm from BEFORE the BW generation, when Starcraft was originally released in 1998. When I was playing in 1998, the reaver drop was non-existent and players that used vultures were laughed at. | ||
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kxr1der
United States213 Posts
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Benshin88
United States183 Posts
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StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
On October 07 2010 15:09 kxr1der wrote: but it is more about getting the balance on each unit correct and not allowing stuff like lurker hold glitches The lurker hold glitch and muta stacking glitch somehow added depth to BW but the game stayed balanced. That has to be one of the most amazing things about BW. | ||
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