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On October 07 2010 15:28 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:
The same way protoss and zerg stop them? Make a bunker, make marines, use workers... you know, defend. Toss and terran wall off against Z for a reason. Lings are too fast for rines and zealots to handle if they can run around as they please. The idea of stopping 6 pools with bunkers is pretty hilarious though. Kudos. Terran is DESIGNED to wall off against MELEE units. These walloffs put critical structures in vulnerable positions. Seriously, this is Starcraft, not Age of Empires.
Terran is not DESIGNED to wall off against melee units. You do realize that in BW the "wall" wasnt even discovered for a long time, right? Terran just made early bunkers and marines against rushes. You might have to 9 rax against a 6 pool... god forbid you do something that is not 12 rax 13 refinery.
EDIT: Are all terrans this spoiled with walls? You really think you cant survive without one? Disappointing to say the least...
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On October 07 2010 15:28 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 14:52 TheRabidDeer wrote:
The same way protoss and zerg stop them? Make a bunker, make marines, use workers... you know, defend. Toss and terran wall off against Z for a reason. Lings are too fast for rines and zealots to handle if they can run around as they please. The idea of stopping 6 pools with bunkers is pretty hilarious though. Kudos. Terran is DESIGNED to wall off against MELEE units. These walloffs put critical structures in vulnerable positions. Seriously, this is Starcraft, not Age of Empires.
and as such the skill req. is higher in this game
what do you do when 2gate happens in yo main??? @_@ UNSTOPPABLE!!!
you know if you build things really tight to your command center it allows you to beat rushes by placing a bunker in your mineral lines when you spot the cheese.
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On October 07 2010 15:33 QuothTheRaven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:00 Obsolescence wrote:On October 07 2010 14:40 AssuredVacancy wrote:On October 07 2010 14:36 Solai wrote:On October 07 2010 14:29 On_Slaught wrote:On October 07 2010 14:03 Dox wrote:On October 07 2010 13:07 vica wrote:
I dislike how Blizzard is making small maps to promote aggression and fast paced play to please the casuals. Wow, only 2 months before idiots started screaming about "casuals ruining the game" this time. What exactly is the basis for that statement? Blizzard EXPLICITLY saying that big maps are too hard for new players and that they think faster paced games on small maps is better for everyone? I am pretty sure you are making things just up now  Never read any blue post or statement where this is confirmed. But if it is the case, could you link us to the statement? For me it is a bit to early to start raging, as I didn't play much on those maps yet. Have to get some buddies to power through the maps for a couple of hours first.^^ It was in a dustin browder interview. Does anyone have a link or know how i could find this interview? I'd like to read/hear it. It was from a live chat session with several Blizzard employees, most notably Dustin Browder. You can find the bulleted summary points here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132653In particular, this is the relevant bit: Show nested quote +-- Blizzard not planning on adding Korean BW professional style maps to map pool. Ladder maps need to be accessible to all levels of players and not be too technical. They're happy with tournaments using their own sophisticated maps.
How the **** is Python complicated?
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On October 07 2010 15:41 neobowman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:33 QuothTheRaven wrote:On October 07 2010 15:00 Obsolescence wrote:On October 07 2010 14:40 AssuredVacancy wrote:On October 07 2010 14:36 Solai wrote:On October 07 2010 14:29 On_Slaught wrote:On October 07 2010 14:03 Dox wrote:On October 07 2010 13:07 vica wrote:
I dislike how Blizzard is making small maps to promote aggression and fast paced play to please the casuals. Wow, only 2 months before idiots started screaming about "casuals ruining the game" this time. What exactly is the basis for that statement? Blizzard EXPLICITLY saying that big maps are too hard for new players and that they think faster paced games on small maps is better for everyone? I am pretty sure you are making things just up now Never read any blue post or statement where this is confirmed. But if it is the case, could you link us to the statement? For me it is a bit to early to start raging, as I didn't play much on those maps yet. Have to get some buddies to power through the maps for a couple of hours first.^^ It was in a dustin browder interview. Does anyone have a link or know how i could find this interview? I'd like to read/hear it. It was from a live chat session with several Blizzard employees, most notably Dustin Browder. You can find the bulleted summary points here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132653In particular, this is the relevant bit: -- Blizzard not planning on adding Korean BW professional style maps to map pool. Ladder maps need to be accessible to all levels of players and not be too technical. They're happy with tournaments using their own sophisticated maps. How the **** is Python complicated?
its got
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OPEN TERRAAAAAAAAAAIN!!!!! everyone run we have to worry about unit positioning!
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On October 07 2010 15:41 neobowman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 15:33 QuothTheRaven wrote:On October 07 2010 15:00 Obsolescence wrote:On October 07 2010 14:40 AssuredVacancy wrote:On October 07 2010 14:36 Solai wrote:On October 07 2010 14:29 On_Slaught wrote:On October 07 2010 14:03 Dox wrote:On October 07 2010 13:07 vica wrote:
I dislike how Blizzard is making small maps to promote aggression and fast paced play to please the casuals. Wow, only 2 months before idiots started screaming about "casuals ruining the game" this time. What exactly is the basis for that statement? Blizzard EXPLICITLY saying that big maps are too hard for new players and that they think faster paced games on small maps is better for everyone? I am pretty sure you are making things just up now Never read any blue post or statement where this is confirmed. But if it is the case, could you link us to the statement? For me it is a bit to early to start raging, as I didn't play much on those maps yet. Have to get some buddies to power through the maps for a couple of hours first.^^ It was in a dustin browder interview. Does anyone have a link or know how i could find this interview? I'd like to read/hear it. It was from a live chat session with several Blizzard employees, most notably Dustin Browder. You can find the bulleted summary points here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=132653In particular, this is the relevant bit: -- Blizzard not planning on adding Korean BW professional style maps to map pool. Ladder maps need to be accessible to all levels of players and not be too technical. They're happy with tournaments using their own sophisticated maps. How the **** is Python complicated?
LMAO!!!!!! Epic post I'm lol'ing so hard right now.
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Are these maps on US server yet? I don't have them on my ladder list.
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On October 07 2010 15:52 Disastorm wrote:
Are these maps on US server yet? I don't have them on my ladder list.
nope
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How the **** is Python complicated?
Exactly, the only different about Korean promaps are there size and generally gravitate the player towards macro style play.
That can only be interpreted as blizzard wants ladder maps to gravitate towards 1base all ins to cater towards casual and uncompetitive players, transitioning, at most, to two base play.
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On October 07 2010 16:00 Half wrote:Exactly, the only thing complicated about Korean promaps are there size and generally gravitate the player towards macro style play. .
I don't think it lends it towards macro play so much as it makes macro a part of the game. i'm not calling you out i've just been thinking about this a lot.
seems like with smaller maps macro doesn't really exist or matter as much. obviously i'm splitting hairs a little bit here, you clearly have to be able to macro. but it doesnt seem like macro can be something that gets you back in the game when you're behind, you just have to hope your opponent fucks up his micro, it doesn't feel like you have any power in the game
idunno
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omg the responses on blizz forums to diamond's post honestly make me want to punch kittens.
thank fuck we have TL.
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Some of the Blizzard posters are really really idiotic.
Any reply is good though, the more pages we can get it to the more likely Blizz will want to respond to it in the morning.
Just don't let them derail the thing.
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On October 07 2010 16:03 Subversion wrote:
omg the responses on blizz forums to diamond's post honestly make me want to punch kittens.
thank fuck we have TL.
Actually I was enjoying MOST of the replies (as they are mostly in support). For a moment I was literally thinking "Wow this is surprising. Maybe the b.net forums aren't that bad anymore."
Then I accidentally clicked this topic.
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Yet, tournaments are still mostly run with the maps played on ladder.
Will the situation ever change really? ;/
Is the american community simply going to branch out and start using its own custom set of maps as standard and give up on the korean scene or are we all at Blizzard's mercy... 
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They removed kulas ravine? Just because morons kept whining about it, what a load of bs.
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We've been through the tournament discussion like six times on here before.
Tournaments want to use maps pros are used to, and games that fans will watch.
For both pros and fans, these maps are the existing ladder maps.
In order to get tournaments to start seriously using the maps (more than just 1 here 1 there) we have to approach it from the bottom up.
Which is why liking and bumping Diamonds thread is oh so important right now.
Also: ROFL
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On October 07 2010 16:11 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:03 Subversion wrote:
omg the responses on blizz forums to diamond's post honestly make me want to punch kittens.
thank fuck we have TL. Actually I was enjoying MOST of the replies (as they are mostly in support). For a moment I was literally thinking "Wow this is surprising. Maybe the b.net forums aren't that bad anymore." Then I accidentally clicked this topic.
LOL
That guy will probably think he's pro if he ever reaches Diamond ladder ROFL.
Who the hell loses to a probe rush >.> especially as zerg...
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Kulas was bullshit anyways, good.
Jungle Basin looks shit, no offence, but I personally wanted bigger maps, not small shitty maps all over again.
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On October 07 2010 16:07 Ketara wrote:
Some of the Blizzard posters are really really idiotic.
Any reply is good though, the more pages we can get it to the more likely Blizz will want to respond to it in the morning.
Just don't let them derail the thing.
I was actually considering staying up all night to keep it on topic, but the whole 11 hours of sleep I have had in the last three days (yes, running iCCup TV is that much work) says I need to go to bed. If any savvy TL'ers can keep that thread on topic all night I will offer a firm handshake to them. No cost to you!
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I'll stay up a bit. Not the whole night though.
I don't think you need to worry. Most of the replies are supportive. Probably because the kiddies are asleep right now.
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On October 07 2010 16:11 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2010 16:03 Subversion wrote:
omg the responses on blizz forums to diamond's post honestly make me want to punch kittens.
thank fuck we have TL. Actually I was enjoying MOST of the replies (as they are mostly in support). For a moment I was literally thinking "Wow this is surprising. Maybe the b.net forums aren't that bad anymore." Then I accidentally clicked this topic.
Yeah they started off well (other TLers I think lending their support) then some people started posting some really, really stupid shit like they know anything about anything ("most" of ICCUP maps are BW ports... fuck me...) and it just makes me rage. It's like this perfect storm of ignorance and arrogance.
Would love to keep the topic open for you all night (I live in Korea, its 4pm here right now lol) but I don't have an NA account so it's not letting me post on there 
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