EPTjungle basins quite good compared to many maps from my experience with it
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
jungle basins quite good compared to many maps from my experience with it | ||
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hoob
Sweden69 Posts
On October 09 2010 00:58 Kishime wrote: If these maps were exactly the same but called "iCCup Shakuras Plateau" and "iCCup Jungle Basin" everyone would praise how amazing they are. The people that like the ICCUP maps are often people that followed the bw scene for along time and actually know what makes a map good and if a map can produce good games. On the other hand the people that usually side with blizzard in various sc2related issues are people that come from wow and dont really have any real rts experience. Who would you want deciding what maps should be played not only by the regular ladder player but by the pros in televised events which people might pay for. I might just want to side with experience on this one. On a side note: Overly small maps are just bad, they do not promote smart and strategic play. The blizzard maps are too much rush/one base oriented to produce really really good games on a regular basis. | ||
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azzu
Germany141 Posts
![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/7/74/Shakuras_Plateau.jpg) In this image just a tiny bit is cut off at the bottom, but it's really no space for air, but at the top you almost can't be reached even by vikings. Also the top right and bottom left bases have no space to fly at the outer sides of the base. | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
On October 09 2010 04:53 hoob wrote: The people that like the ICCUP maps are often people that followed the bw scene for along time and actually know what makes a map good and if a map can produce good games. On the other hand the people that usually side with blizzard in various sc2related issues are people that come from wow and dont really have any real rts experience. Who would you want deciding what maps should be played not only by the regular ladder player but by the pros in televised events which people might pay for. I might just want to side with experience on this one. On a side note: Overly small maps are just bad, they do not promote smart and strategic play. The blizzard maps are too much rush/one base oriented to produce really really good games on a regular basis. Did you pull these stats from anywhere besides your own ass? | ||
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ahwala
Germany392 Posts
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
On October 09 2010 05:51 ahwala wrote: He pulled it from _your_ ass? i feel violated D: | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
On October 09 2010 00:58 Kishime wrote: If these maps were exactly the same but called "iCCup Shakuras Plateau" and "iCCup Jungle Basin" everyone would praise how amazing they are. No; people have no problem criticizing ICCUP maps. It's just in general, ICCUP maps that come out tend to not be as awful as some as Blizzard's map choices. It seems the player base knows what they want and ICCUP maps often fulfill that need. Blizzard tends to have their own idea about what maps should be like. Shakuras Plateau was an awful 2v2 map from Beta, and still remains an awful map. So far I kind of like the choice with Jungle Basin. I feel it's a much better map than Desert Oasis OR Kulas Ravine. | ||
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hoob
Sweden69 Posts
On October 09 2010 05:50 blagoonga123 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 09 2010 04:53 hoob wrote: The people that like the ICCUP maps are often people that followed the bw scene for along time and actually know what makes a map good and if a map can produce good games. On the other hand the people that usually side with blizzard in various sc2related issues are people that come from wow and dont really have any real rts experience. Who would you want deciding what maps should be played not only by the regular ladder player but by the pros in televised events which people might pay for. I might just want to side with experience on this one. On a side note: Overly small maps are just bad, they do not promote smart and strategic play. The blizzard maps are too much rush/one base oriented to produce really really good games on a regular basis. Did you pull these stats from anywhere besides your own ass? Almost, but really you can see the trends by just looking at this thread and the forums in general, newer players will be more incline to agree with what blizzard is doing becuase they simply dont know better. Bw players on the other hand tend to disagree more with blizzard since they know already what a great rtsgame looks like and what made that rtsgame really really good, and it wasn't supersmall maps that are just awful | ||
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WarChimp
Australia943 Posts
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Arco
United States2090 Posts
On October 09 2010 06:38 WarChimp wrote: Didn't they remove Shakuras because it was originally imbalanced? So they brought it back? Is it changed at all since beta? They removed it in phase 1 Beta because it was a 1v1 map in the 2v2 map pool, just like Lost Temple and Metalopolis. It was never used as a 1v1 ladder map, albeit being one. | ||
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ancientrussian
Russian Federation6 Posts
Delta Quadrant is a protoss' imba cuz of possibility to warp units right to the rocked natural and stalkers blink. New maps suck for sure and protoss have advantage on them either. | ||
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link0
United States1071 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 09 2010 00:58 Kishime wrote: If these maps were exactly the same but called "iCCup Shakuras Plateau" and "iCCup Jungle Basin" everyone would praise how amazing they are. Yeah seriously, I don't get all the hate for these maps. Sure there are some positional imbalances, but overall they're a step in the right direction - community wanted a healthy map rotation, 3 months after retail release we see the first rotation of maps, that's pretty good to me imo - community wanted larger maps, shakuras is gigantic o.o I'm starting to think the iccup guys just want their maps in rotation, rather than new maps getting into rotation that aren't from iccup. | ||
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keyStorm
Canada316 Posts
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Wihl
Sweden472 Posts
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