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On October 06 2010 21:50 Senx wrote:
Even though he's a bit harsh, the core argument isn't really wrong.. the game is simplified and its not about having good mechanics anymore, its more about build orders, building the right units and scouting.
You mean the game revolves around real time strategy ? How dare they !
So it isn't as much of a "who can click faster" contest and more of a strategy game (build orders, scouting, building the right units and right tech paths are all part of strategy).
And given what Raevin is saying, it sounds like he was setting the game up to be gimmicky from the start.
I think the players with that kind of opinion need to learn some solid all purpose expand builds. Never 1 base, play Zerg if you need to. The GSL just proved how far we are from the skill cap (and I'm sure GSL 2 will show that the skill in GSL 1 was very very far from the cap).
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ROFL That's like 25 games in a day on hell of a loss streak then going "this game sux and your all nubs kbye goin BW to smurf on iccup"
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I respect NTT as an old school SC1 player but this really looks like big old ragequitting.
GSL kinda proved 90% of his arguments are plain wrong, and I'm not even going to bother to make a list.
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On October 06 2010 22:16 DarkspearTribe wrote:ROFL That's like 25 games in a day on hell of a loss streak then going "this game sux and your all nubs kbye goin BW to smurf on iccup"
He was giving away free wins, he explains it in one of his posts. The huge string of losses are all 10 second games if you check his match history in-game.
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He seems very emotional. I'll never be a fan.
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I can't honestly say I care all about this.
NTT was once a pretty good BW pro; that's nice, and thanks to him for fighting the good fight back in the day. Now, he's quitting SC2; that's nice, too. No one should be chastised for playing or not playing a videogame. If he doesn't like it, then he shouldn't play it. There are plenty of other interesting players who are.
As for his stated reasons for quitting...well, I think he doesn't know the kark he's talking about, but as he says, I'm a "noob," so there's no reason he'd listen to me anyway.
Salve, NTT.
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What a pathetic statement. He'll regret it very soon.
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On October 06 2010 21:50 Senx wrote:
That is the skill differential at the high level, nobody will complement a guy on his amazing macro "wow look at him hotkey his 7 raxxes and pump out units without looking at his base".
Its more like "Wow look at him hiding that stargate and making 6 void rays to kill his opponent, beautiful move!".
Then again this is what we have and this is what we gotta accept. Starcraft 2 is made for the masses and simplifying it was a step Blizzard had to take to make it more popular. There's no way around it.
Imo coming up with smart strategies to beat your opponent is more impressive and entertaining then being able to ram a bunch of keys really fast. By making all the basic stuff require less APM there is more room now to focus on the gameplan and strategy.
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On October 06 2010 15:50 SonuvBob wrote:
I bet it's really about the lower SCV health.
hahahaha
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I'm both sad and shocked to see so many people here not knowin who NTT is. Anyway since he was the king of BM I guess people kinda missunderstand his writing as just some nerdrage.
I prefer BW over SC2 but since I have noone to play BW with I play SC2 and it is kinda fun in a way, and I assume it gets more fund when I manage to win vs people with half my apm. I'll get there some day.
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On October 06 2010 22:23 Logros wrote:
Imo coming up with smart strategies to beat your opponent is more impressive and entertaining then being able to ram a bunch of keys really fast. By making all the basic stuff require less APM there is more room now to focus on the gameplan and strategy.
how is it possible for an rts game to have more gameplan and strategy than brood war
theres a reason it's still got a proscene 12 years after release
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MorroW saying that playing terran is boring and easypizi. Thats why he decided to try zerg, to have fun actually. Sounds true.
Edit: For instance, let me give an example of myself. I was playing zerg for a long time, and I had a practice parter in ZvZ. We played like 10 games, it was very tense and we were pretty even 5 to 5 I think. Then I tried Terran vs him. All I need to do, hellion harass then transition to mass thor+scv+marine timing push. He can't kill it eventhough he knows its coming. The infestor+neural parasite is kinda late vs this push. I am not talking about balance. Its not fun playing like this for him and for me. Similar to NTT's point.
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I feel like he's right about the game, but this all coming from him who plays risky builds and hides expansions to capitalize on mistakes only bad players would make just makes his point less valid.
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Seems a bit immature...it's not like he was the best player in the world or anything
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On October 06 2010 22:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 22:23 Logros wrote:
Imo coming up with smart strategies to beat your opponent is more impressive and entertaining then being able to ram a bunch of keys really fast. By making all the basic stuff require less APM there is more room now to focus on the gameplan and strategy. how is it possible for an rts game to have more gameplan and strategy than brood war theres a reason it's still got a proscene 12 years after release
I'm reading so much "Oh I'm being beaten by people with half my APM, SC2 sucks" stuff here. That just means you're being outsmarted and outplayed, it's not a fault of the game.
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On October 06 2010 22:20 DueleR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 22:16 DarkspearTribe wrote:ROFL That's like 25 games in a day on hell of a loss streak then going "this game sux and your all nubs kbye goin BW to smurf on iccup" He was giving away free wins, he explains it in one of his posts. The huge string of losses are all 10 second games if you check his match history in-game.
He was not. I just checked the match history in-game. He gave some freewins to Luzifron after losing a game to him and apparently got constantly matched against him.
It's just blind rage from NTT's end.
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This is a horrific blow to the SC2 Amateur Terran community.
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im suprised how few people know who NTT is, i Don't know NTT personally but i guess this just goes to show that im turning in to an old man lol. well That sucks to hear that NTT is upset with the game how ever i just think it is a rage quit. And Don't worry NTT i Remember playing old school SC and BW back in ladder Challenges and Broodwar ladder and reading about the great NTT.
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On October 06 2010 22:33 Arikuna wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2010 22:20 DueleR wrote:On October 06 2010 22:16 DarkspearTribe wrote:ROFL That's like 25 games in a day on hell of a loss streak then going "this game sux and your all nubs kbye goin BW to smurf on iccup" He was giving away free wins, he explains it in one of his posts. The huge string of losses are all 10 second games if you check his match history in-game. He was not. I just checked the match history in-game. He gave some freewins to Luzifron after losing a game to him and apparently got constantly matched against him. It's just blind rage from NTT's end.
This indeed sounds like just another rage. We've all been there.
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On October 06 2010 15:52 metaldragon wrote:
So some who I'm sure 90% of team liquid has never heard of is quitting and you make a thread about it?
Ive been here too long 
Been passed by.
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