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SeaSmoke
United States326 Posts
On September 30 2010 02:39 Warlock-X wrote: Negative. Thors beat broodlords because they outrange them and splash. if you dont know what youre talking about, please dont post. or go to bnet forums. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 30 2010 02:42 BurningSera wrote: maybe someone should simulate the fight of Thors vs Ultras in Top v Cool Game2 to see Cool's ultras can win that amount of thors or not lol You'd have to do exactly what Cool did - run like 40 lings, blings, and roaches up the rear of the thors to distract them first. | ||
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clitvin
Canada19 Posts
On September 30 2010 02:45 DTown wrote: Thors definitely do not beat broodlords. They will however tear a few new orafices into your mutas that are trying to take out the vikings. have you tried? | ||
Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 30 2010 02:48 cr4ckshot wrote: Watching FruitDealer's latest series, I have to say that the Ultra "nerf" doesn't really change the overall balance of ZvT. Does it really matter that ultras do less splash considering they can just fodder shots so that banelings and lings can clean house? This mindset of ultras being fodder is rather strange in SC2. In BW Ultras were the tanks but in SC2 lings are the weak attackers while ultras are the insane damage dealers. Against mech banelings aren't useful. Against MMM I believe the most common setup is muta/baneling/ling/infestor not really ultra/baneling but this could be the case. So no ultras are not cannon fodder anymore. If ultras can't do damage than they have no place in their current form. | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
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Grond
599 Posts
(stolen from Artosis, awesome job commentating) | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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MegaVolt
28 Posts
Funny enough this giant Z nerf (don't forget the 10% damage reduction Ultras got on top of that in 1.1) after Z was underpowered anyway will most probably go unfixed until 1.2 I'm getting more and more convinced that Blizzard really has no clue about what they are doing and that they are completely unable to fix any balance issues. After some Blizzard officials said they don't even like Zerg I'm afraid not even HotS will fix this issue. I'm wondering: What can be done? Blizzard is obviously not listening to pro-gamers raising valid concerns about balance and they aren't listening to theorycrafting. I guess the only hope would be to have one giant tournament with custom balance patched maps to make those popular. But then again with all the ties GomTV has now to Blizzard I doubt this will ever happen in the GSL (they are even using the crappy Blizzard maps after all ...) and other tournaments just aren't bug enough. Is all hope lost? | ||
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Thenas
Sweden107 Posts
On September 28 2010 23:45 Nightcrawler wrote: well iam tending to no race but seeing the ultra change i feel its some way in the right way because even in the past the splash was like the bulding thing but just against units wich i cant understand why hitting units behind a unit far away if u are a melee unit. Maybe blizzard didnt realised the effect of the ultralisk because u need to really look at it to see it and just saw it obvious in the 1.1.0 patch and changed it to what it should be in there eyes. So u could say u got an unfair advantage over other ppl and if blizzard takes it away u cry and make accusations against blizzard wich is really dishonoring  It might have been something to do with their blades being larger than a freaking supply depo.... also if it didn't have splashdamage it would need a much higher singletarget damage output comparable with that of DTs to be even slightly useful. And the correct way to hotfix this is to put the old ability back in the game instead of making ultras severly worse against everything. | ||
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smegged
Australia213 Posts
 Fruit Dealer doesn't even need his ultras to be good to Win.I however am not Fruit Dealer and would Really Really like an ultra buff to compensate for the removal of this "bug". | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
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GQz
Australia168 Posts
However, they were broken when you could hit planetary fortresses and the scv's repairing too. But imo that was pretty much the only issue. That scvs trying to repair would die to splash. The increased splash range was (i hope) intended, just not to that extent. By trying to fix it with the current patch (1.1.1), they've effectively reduced the splash? I think it can be said that to fix this, all we really need to do is increase the splash radius of the current ultralisk to match up with (to some extent) the previous splash (1.0), though that's just my opinion. | ||
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ClanRH.TV
United States462 Posts
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CidO
United States695 Posts
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P00RKID
United States424 Posts
I mean, scbw ultras didn't have splash... But anyway, this is just another example of Blizzard showing its true colors. They release a patch with a bug, quickly patch that bug with another nerf to the zerg. Didn't they used to say something like "Its not ready until it is ready." ? Either they don't know what they are doing and they are hurting balance more than fixing it with each patch, or they Know what they are doing, and just stealthed double nerfed zerg and can easily fall back on saying it was a bug fix, not a nerf. We just have to deal with it and hope they fix this, that, and the other with a little more care and testing, so we don't end up with another "bug" that hurts the balance. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3511 Posts
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
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Archmage
United States169 Posts
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