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allyourbase
United States243 Posts
On September 30 2010 00:35 Icks wrote: What about roaches? (Just asking, didn't test, no theorycraft, no skill etc...) Assuming zerg controlls well and doesn't clump mutas, wouldn't mass muta beat thor/hellion or muta/ling/bling if terran mixes in some marines for support. Fungal growth would probably also have good results by preventing the marines and hellions from kiting. This is all speculation though. | ||
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Daxunyrr
United States190 Posts
Once theres 3 or 4 Thor's out though, the Roaches just... melt. Ok, so you want other numbers. Roaches cost 2 supply, at 75/25, a Thor's 300/200 and 6 supply. 3 roaches per thor, but their 16 vs a Thor's 60 and twice as much range, with 400-esque HP I believe? (don't remember its HP, never really make em) Anything else? | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On September 30 2010 01:06 allyourbase wrote: Assuming zerg controlls well and doesn't clump mutas, wouldn't mass muta beat thor/hellion or muta/ling/bling if terran mixes in some marines for support. Fungal growth would probably also have good results by preventing the marines and hellions from kiting. This is all speculation though. People tested where if you have a good ball of thors, even the normal number of 4 mutas to kill 1 thor is off. You need a larger amount of mutas than that to take on the ball of thors. So just having a mass of mutas doesn't really work. Of course, you could just skip the thors and try to base race, but that's pretty tough. | ||
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On September 30 2010 01:12 Daxunyrr wrote: If you burrow & move, then they still get a free shot in, cause in the time it takes for the roaches to unburrow, theres a good free shot, so they're already down 60 health. Once theres 3 or 4 Thor's out though, the Roaches just... melt. Ok, so you want other numbers. Roaches cost 2 supply, at 75/25, a Thor's 300/200 and 6 supply. 3 roaches per thor, but their 16 vs a Thor's 60 and twice as much range, with 400-esque HP I believe? (don't remember its HP, never really make em) Anything else? 3 roachs=225/75 6food 1 thor =300/200 6food mineral/gas wise roaches are good vs thors. Not supply though. | ||
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Mizzles
33 Posts
On September 29 2010 23:42 SugarBear wrote: Terran started using thor hellion preigniter in unison, which stops almost anything zerg can make. I'm pretty sure mech was always using thors with blue flame hellions. Mech is hellions + thors + tanks. Tank marine is tank marine, which isn't mech at all. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On September 30 2010 00:35 Icks wrote: What about roaches? (Just asking, didn't test, no theorycraft, no skill etc...) Roaches work if the terran sends his thors in 1 at a time as soon as they are built. Otherwise good luck. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On September 30 2010 01:57 Mizzles wrote: I'm pretty sure mech was always using thors with blue flame hellions. Mech is hellions + thors + tanks. Tank marine is tank marine, which isn't mech at all. Mech is thor hellion tank sometimes viking banshee. Thor/hellion cuts all the excess and makes a ball of death that is more difficult to deal with, can't be caught out of position without infestors and excellent scouting, and complements each other by destroying each others good counter mix. | ||
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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Lukk
United States36 Posts
i end up losing anyway Ultralisk are one of the dumbest units pathfinding wise and anyone who complains they are easy to get a perfect flank with or anything like that needs to go back to bw and use dragoons... cause thats all i think when my 3 ultras run into the corner of a ramp and end up behind your mineral line somehow but boy was did it feel nice when i actually got to attack and kill stuff | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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Warlock-X
Canada37 Posts
On September 30 2010 02:27 aka_star wrote: brood lord only good counter vs thor now, not sure what will counter thor viking though.... brood mutas ? :-/ Negative. Thors beat broodlords because they outrange them and splash. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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DTown
United States428 Posts
On September 30 2010 02:39 Warlock-X wrote: Negative. Thors beat broodlords because they outrange them and splash. Thors definitely do not beat broodlords. They will however tear a few new orafices into your mutas that are trying to take out the vikings. | ||
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cr4ckshot
United States291 Posts
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forgotten0ne
United States951 Posts
On September 30 2010 02:48 cr4ckshot wrote: Watching FruitDealer's latest series, I have to say that the Ultra "nerf" doesn't really change the overall balance of ZvT. Does it really matter that ultras do less splash considering they can just fodder shots so that banelings and lings can clean house? Hellions. 'nuff said. | ||
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Iced_tea
United States42 Posts
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
On September 30 2010 02:30 Wr3k wrote: Why hasn't there been a blue response on this? It takes the community a couple hours to recognize the fuck up, and the goddamn blue posters don't even understand what we are talking about! Do they even read our posts? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/791239380#15 Typical blizzard response, having no idea what anyone is talking about. | ||
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