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The StarCraft Bible - Page 10
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
we're only ~1100 translations behind the christian bible. CATCHIN' UP BABY. | ||
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GreatFall
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junemermaid
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I'm seriously speechless. | ||
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ProV1
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
It would be interesting to have some sort of objective measurement of skill with which to measure the players so we could see if the general level of play is still going up, or if the players are just peaking and then burning out. In other words, were the older players in their prime good enough to keep up with the top players now? | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:19 Sylvr wrote: The Book of Starcraft made for a very pleasant and educational afternoon (and the other books last night)! It's amazing how these guys just rise and fall in such a seemingly short time. It would be interesting to have some sort of objective measurement of skill with which to measure the players so we could see if the general level of play is still going up, or if the players are just peaking and then burning out. In other words, were the older players in their prime good enough to keep up with the top players now? Absolutely not. If you drop all relativism, Flash and Jaedong are clearly the two greatest players of all time. The amount of game knowledge and talent stuffed into their heads and hands is immense. Boxer said it best when he answered a similar question not too long ago (I'm paraphrasing): 'I'm better now than I was at my peak. I'm much better. But the skill level has gone up so much that it doesn't matter.' If Flash played Boxer at his peak, Flash would win in a one-sided game. But you can't compare players like that. Jaedong and Flash are standing on the shoulders of giants. They have the advantage of absorbing a decade of StarCraft strategy and gameplay. They get to learn from the pioneers. The only remotely reliable way to compare players across different eras is to measure accomplishments against each other. Otherwise, it quickly becomes obvious that the tide has risen and not everyone stays afloat. | ||
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Half
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
I wonder if the same holds true for more fundamental activities... I wonder how Bruce Lee would do in the modern MMA environment. I wonder if Shakespeare would be a successful writer. I wonder if Socrates could hold his own with modern philosophers, etc. In short, I wonder if ingenuity is limited to the paradigm in which it is born... | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:40 Sylvr wrote: Well answered. I wonder if the same holds true for more fundamental activities... I wonder how Bruce Lee would do in the modern MMA environment. I wonder if Shakespeare would be a successful writer. I wonder if Socrates could hold his own with modern philosophers, etc. In short, I wonder if ingenuity is limited to the paradigm in which it is born... Well it's different. Brood War is a game with a clearly defined winner and loser. So is MMA. Bruce Lee transported through time and thrown into a fight would get killed - combat sports and the athletes have advanced a lot in the past few decades. If Bruce Lee was born during this era, though, and was able to take advantage of our opportunities, who knows? Brood War players advance because they get to improve their game through study and play. MMA fighters advance because their nutrition and the science of fighting has moved forward. Writing doesn't work that way. Writing isn't a sport with a clearly defined winner and loser. It doesn't progress in the linear way that sports (and e-sports) do. While it does progress (great writers do stand on the shoulders of giants, too), there's not so clearly defined a goal. SC players have to make builds efficient, units resilient and, above all, win the game. Writers have to... engage the reader. Much more vague, much harder to pin down, damn near impossible to quantify it and say whether or not we're progressing or regressing or anything. It's art, impossible to totally get a grasp of. Has writing improved since Shakespeare? Totally subjective, impossible to really answer one way or the other (for the most part). Has the level of Brood War play risen since Boxer? Yes. So, is it true of more fundamental activities? Many of them yes. Many, no. For the most part, it's obvious which activities are which. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
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Bebop07
United States291 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:23 choboPEon wrote: Absolutely. It seems to be sort of a common way of thinking some people have where they think Savior hit a slump, or his skills diminished, which is absolutely untrue and the same for any player. They raised the bar in the game that the other players eventually reached, and they no longer were a stride ahead of the pack. Savior, Boxer, July, iloveoov, Nada are all better skill and knowledge wise then they were in their peak of dominance but they're just not good enough now to separate themselves like before.Absolutely not. If you drop all relativism, Flash and Jaedong are clearly the two greatest players of all time. The amount of game knowledge and talent stuffed into their heads and hands is immense. Boxer said it best when he answered a similar question not too long ago (I'm paraphrasing): 'I'm better now than I was at my peak. I'm much better. But the skill level has gone up so much that it doesn't matter.' If Flash played Boxer at his peak, Flash would win in a one-sided game. But you can't compare players like that. Jaedong and Flash are standing on the shoulders of giants. They have the advantage of absorbing a decade of StarCraft strategy and gameplay. They get to learn from the pioneers. The only remotely reliable way to compare players across different eras is to measure accomplishments against each other. Otherwise, it quickly becomes obvious that the tide has risen and not everyone stays afloat. | ||
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Guilty
Canada812 Posts
Very enjoyable and nostalgic, I look forward to future updates.  | ||
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Felby
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Intricate
Canada127 Posts
good job overall | ||
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STS17
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Sworn
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zergnewb
United States816 Posts
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Sylvr
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fush
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