Otakusan United States. September 16 2010 12:47. Posts 26 Profile #
that pro comment was intended as a joke right? i can't tell.

edit: okay yeah it was a joke. i'm a nub.

no he was for real this has seriously ruined my tvz
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figq

12519 Posts

September 16 2010 04:03 GMT

#142

With Building Armor - the ling will deal 0.5 damage per hit - that makes 3000 hits. If you make 10 hits per minute, that's only 5 hours. It fits within the engine maximum of ~9 hours for a game. I think that's revolutionary for competitive ZvT, now PF is useless in this mu, or zerg will prolong the game to 5 hours and auto-win. Great find.

CynanMachae

Canada1459 Posts

September 16 2010 04:04 GMT

#143

On September 16 2010 08:14 craaaaack wrote:
lol did they advertise for tl on romanian tv or wtf is up with this thread?

ROFL. This

Purind

Canada3562 Posts

September 16 2010 04:04 GMT

#144

On September 16 2010 11:40 SnowFantasy wrote:
We V-Tec players have been doing this for years...

You were beat by roughly a page

On September 16 2010 10:19 Slayer91 wrote:
We v-tech players have been doing micro like this for years.
Stops the planetary fortress rush dead in its tracks. Cue benny hill music.

csfield

United States206 Posts

September 16 2010 04:05 GMT

#145

this is a good example of how we're still learning things and it's too early to whine about balance

ocho

United States172 Posts

September 16 2010 04:06 GMT

#146

NICE! I do believe this should even out the gap between T and Z and make for some very interesting games. Great find OP.

PineappleSage

Canada109 Posts

September 16 2010 04:09 GMT

#147

wow nice controll ^^

SnowFantasy

4173 Posts

September 16 2010 04:22 GMT

#148

On September 16 2010 13:04 Purind wrote:

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should've commented when i first saw the thread

SichuanPanda

Canada1542 Posts

September 16 2010 05:06 GMT

#149

Well obviously one ling taking out a PF is unfeasable because of how long it will take to fire, but its good to know that with a bunch of speed lings and creep from an overlord - obviously in very specific situations, the lings can actually kill the PF.

Akuemon

Canada151 Posts

September 16 2010 05:19 GMT

#150

well, Would this trick work with burrowed hydras? i mean assuming the player isnt paying attention cause you distracted them or something, but couldnt you burrow one group and attack with other, switch it up?

Lennon

United Kingdom2275 Posts

September 16 2010 05:23 GMT

#151

On September 16 2010 07:31 oesis wrote:
I estimate it would only take around 15 or 20 minutes to bring down a planetary fortress with a 3-0 adrenal gland ling.

This is the reason why no one will do this.

zak

Korea (South)1009 Posts

September 16 2010 05:28 GMT

#152

On September 16 2010 07:31 oesis wrote:
I have recently discovered a trick that allow you defeat a planetary fortress with a single Zergling.

Well some units in sc2 do not fire instantly, if you ever look you will notice some units have to face there targets before firing. In fact blizzard initially intended this to be an important part of the Thor, where it would have a slow turning rate and fast units could kite around it. Well as it turns out this same strategy can be applied to planetary fortresses. You see if you can move around the planetary fortress faster than it can turn it can never actually fire.

To take advantage of this you need a lair and ling speed, optional upgrades that make this easier are adrenal glands, melee attack upgrades, and overlord speed. As it turns out the 1 ground unit that moves faster than a planetary fortress can turn is a ling on creep(well a charge lot might but it wouldn't be controllable). Anyways all you have to do is drop creep directly on top of a planetary fortress with an overlord then run around it with a ling, attacking it every once in a while. I estimate it would only take around 15 or 20 minutes to bring down a planetary fortress with a 3-0 adrenal gland ling.

As long as a player has sufficient micro to pull this off, planetary fortresses should no longer pose any threat. I think this could even become a hallmark of high level play, where a player micro's against a planetary for 5 minutes straight while still having to macro in his base.

Ling running around Planetary
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Note: I don't kill the planetary in the replay, I only take around 300 hp off of it with the ling before messing up.
Ling vs Planetary Replay

awesome! or just get one muta.

for high lvl play just run a bunch a lings around and minimize the time!
great job

ProwlerSC

Canada18 Posts

September 16 2010 05:32 GMT

#153

If this thread is serious or not, I don't really care, but it got me to thinking, and I hope nobody else posted this yet because I've only read a few pages. As much as one zergling killing a Planetary Fortress would be hilarious, I could see something more along the lines of immortal harass for example, with a Warp Prism.

Since the planetary fortress doesn't follow flying units, you can easily drop and pick up immortals to do some damage. About 30 hits for a single immortal or 2 immortals for 15 hits each to actually kill it. I've seen games where someone is winning, gets greedy, and loses half an army to a planetary fortress. Repairing SCV's are always a factor, but you could start sniping them while dodging the Planetary Fortress shots too and your damage has been dealt. Another interesting thing to note is if you micro well you can pick up an immortal right when the planetary fortress animation goes off and it does no damage. Possibly a good time to move a few units in and out to snipe some repairing SCV's or take a pot shot at the fortress.

Obviously with my staggering 95 APM I would have trouble doing this in the middle of a game, but I think it would be awesome to see it done, even just for some epic harass. I've tried this in "Unit Tester" for the hell of it so I'm not talking out of my ass, hopefully.

Budzlight

United States578 Posts

September 16 2010 05:32 GMT

#154

As long as a player has sufficient micro to pull this off, planetary fortresses should no longer pose any threat. I think this could even become a hallmark of high level play, where a player micro's against a planetary for 5 minutes straight while still having to macro in his base.

This is indeed not high level play material. Here's 2 simple things that make this almost impossible.

1. Being that you would have about 2 sec to macro/look at base/ and counter the terrans forces makes this.....
2. HELLIONS. Typical ZvT has hellions and with there speed they would be there in a heart beat.

sensenmann

United States172 Posts

September 16 2010 05:42 GMT

#155

If I ever end up in a game with one of those annoying terrans who never leave, and I end up killing most of his stuff with a PF left alive, I'm going to do this. IDC if it takes 30 min.

Toadily

United States837 Posts

September 16 2010 05:42 GMT

#156

On September 16 2010 14:32 Budzlight wrote:

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You're obviously not pro enough to pull it off, this is very viable.

AlgeriaT

Sweden2195 Posts

September 16 2010 05:55 GMT

#157

On September 16 2010 14:23 Fantistic wrote:

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This is the reason why no one will do this.

LOL they just keep on coming

exog

Norway279 Posts

September 16 2010 05:58 GMT

#158

Can't you just corrupt it with overseer anymore?

ROOTdrewbie

Canada1392 Posts

September 16 2010 06:02 GMT

#159

this doesnt work anyways, the terran can just target another unit with his pf lol
edit: maybe u can kill a computer PF with 2 zerglings tho 8)

MyLife

179 Posts

September 16 2010 06:32 GMT

#160

On September 16 2010 07:36 garett wrote:
oh yeah, and the terran will of course let you just run around the pf for 5 minutes.. instead of sending like one marine and ending this "weakness"

I rofld so hard IRL at this.