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On September 13 2010 07:26 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
What exactly is a high level bronze player exactly? I really don't understand this concept, you are at the top of your bronze league but you're not silver yet? So you're at the top of the bottom league? Is this due to playing no games? I get the idea since you say high level Bronze you actively play just aren't very good at it. I'm just confused by the concept here, you are yourself stuck in bronze but are going to help other people get out of bronze?
It just seems counter intuitive in that you need to experience getting out of bronze/silver before you can help people get out of bronze/silver otherwise how do people know that you even know what you speak of?
edit: Just to clarify seems like bad marketing to me and it makes me rage.
High-level bronze is when you are literally 5 games away from getting out of your Bronze league like I am. I'm facing silver league players in ladder right now. Hybrid has beaten Platinum league players while in his silver league laddering.
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Blind leading the blind?
I'll reconsider the statement. I hope it pans out. I wouldn't mind playing some games with you guys as well. The main problem is when nobody understands exactly what is going wrong and it becomes difficult to overcome bumps. However there is always the obvious areas of improvement, such as macro and mini map awareness.
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Idunno the reason I take issue is if you really don't know what you're talking about then it might do more harm than good. Getting out of the low leagues isn't really easy there are several ways you can kind of put band-aids on it and bump up one league. But to really get out of the lower leagues and up into platinum the key is working on the basics. What kind of things will you be promoting? Macro and multitasking or what? Because if it's just little tricks those can only get you so far until you have to go back and work on the core mechanics. I mean I'm not hating just because of your rank but the blind leading the blind is not a good thing so I just want to make sure you can actually offer something helpful to the players if you're going to solicit for replays like this.
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By little tricks I mean things that pros and other very high level players do that other casters will overlook.
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IDK tricks don't really have a place in trying to get promoted it really needs to be about the basics. If you work on trying to get your way up in leagues by doing micro tricks and cute tactics you'll hit a brick wall. That can only carry you so far until players can beat those easily, if a player really wants to get better at this game and be competitive while trying to get out of the low leagues they need to focus on the core of their game.
That includes but is not limited to how to develop a solid opening build order, that is how to adjust it according to what you scout. How to scout, how to understand what you're scouting. Multitasking, focusing on your macro, micro tricks and cute tactics don't get you anywhere if your core gameplay isn't there yet. How to choose good positioning on a map to engage. If your multitasking and macro abilities arent really up there kiting roaches with your hellions isn't going to win you the game in fact if you're doing that and your macro is slipping it can lose you the game easily. So I think you're better off focusing on these things instead of oh hey that was really cool try and do that.
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On September 13 2010 07:38 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:
Idunno the reason I take issue is if you really don't know what you're talking about then it might do more harm than good. Getting out of the low leagues isn't really easy there are several ways you can kind of put band-aids on it and bump up one league. But to really get out of the lower leagues and up into platinum the key is working on the basics. What kind of things will you be promoting? Macro and multitasking or what? Because if it's just little tricks those can only get you so far until you have to go back and work on the core mechanics. I mean I'm not hating just because of your rank but the blind leading the blind is not a good thing so I just want to make sure you can actually offer something helpful to the players if you're going to solicit for replays like this.
You don't need to be able to execute like the top players in order to understand what they're doing. That's really the key difference between each league and the next, IMO. A Diamond level player casting often talks over the head of newer players, using a lot of terminology they're not familiar with even though they're more than capable of understanding the concept if the caster could be bothered to say it in plain English. I think it's a great idea to have casts directed specifically at lower levels as long as, like you said, it's not teaching gimmicky nonsense.
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Why do people post their computer specs in places like youtube channels like this one? Is it bragging or do people regularly ask to post them?
Yeah, I would be skeptical to recommend people to follow something like this. I had no battlenet broodwar experience and I learned starcraft 2 from high level commentators. Day 9 does a great job simplifying things down to help newer players focus on major aspects of the game. But if you feel you can do this and do it well, don't let anyone's opinion stop you.
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Well, I was kind of afraid this would be combat Ex all over again, but you admitting that your not good is a start I guess.
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Woah. Why don't we just wait for a video, and then see?
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this is like getting swimming lessons from a dude who cant swim....
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Hey just because I questioned him doesn't mean he's immediately not capable of teaching anything useful I just want to make sure he's approaching this from the correct angle. -.-
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By tricks, I do not by any means mean gimmicks. We would like to teach the basic fundamental skills. Keeping minerals low, Creating or learning a build order. How to scout. How to use hotkeys correctly. Very very simple, fundamental skills that every player needs to know.
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Two things.
First, have videos up, like everyone says. Most people will check the page once. If there's nothing there, they won't look again.
Second, I definitely think there is a place for something that addresses Bronze/Silver/Gold cheese play and how to handle it. Plenty of people new to ladder get cheesed repeatedly and give up/"this game sucks". Videos addressing it,explaining what/why/how it is, would probably help keep these players in the game long enough to get over the "cheese hump" (terrible phrase but get the idea).
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On September 13 2010 08:16 chocopan wrote:
Two things.
First, have videos up, like everyone says. Most people will check the page once. If there's nothing there, they won't look again.
Second, I definitely think there is a place for something that addresses Bronze/Silver/Gold cheese play and how to handle it. Plenty of people new to ladder get cheesed repeatedly and give up/"this game sucks". Videos addressing it,explaining what/why/how it is, would probably help keep these players in the game long enough to get over the "cheese hump" (terrible phrase but get the idea).
Exactly. Void Ray Cheese is a terrible plague on the lower leagues right now that is so easily scouted and countered, but people just don't know how to see it early.
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I'd like to wish you good luck in doing your casts. I know most of the responses have been skeptical, but with my own experience of trying to teach myself Brood War when I was a noob, this sort of resource could be a very excellent way for new players to improve. I will be watching for you guys to put some content out. I wish you both the best.
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Its true that most casters assume the watchers knows a lot of things when casting. Most people here would not think twice about most of these terms, or even consider them worthy of explaining. For example: "natural", "micro/macro", "expand", "harass", "drop", "mechanics" and I'm sure a lot of other things I can't even think of because it comes fluidly when discussing the game. That's not even beginning to touch on the actual units, unit compositions and races.
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Aww that is so cute 
Good luck, as long as you teach the right things (aka 100% macro and stopping cheese).
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First cast rendering. It shall be uploaded to youtube tonight.
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I will definitely look at it.
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