EPTIt's hard to select a Warpgate by Mouse, than switch to the place where you want them and select the unit and then warp it in.
I don't think that it's giving good players any advantage (over just control-grouping them).
What is the point of the Warpgate auto-group? - Page 9
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Melt
Switzerland281 Posts
It's hard to select a Warpgate by Mouse, than switch to the place where you want them and select the unit and then warp it in. I don't think that it's giving good players any advantage (over just control-grouping them). | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On September 11 2010 03:08 Rifty wrote: Ok which half-decent terran in the world doesen't shift queue their SCV's back to mining when making a building? Exactly what I was thinking. I am a Potoss in SC1 as well as in SC2 (C rank) and the occasional times I messed around with Terran I used shift queue for everything... My terran was like... D/D-. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On September 11 2010 03:08 acrimoneyius wrote: This isn't sc1...they built the game to be more intuitive. The game is less about spammy fucking fingers and more about thinking. There's not much thinking in the game either. Sorry, but BW both had more depth and a higher mechanical skill ceiling. They built the game this way so magazine editors and retards used to SupCom and bullshit wouldn't bitch and moan about it being built like a real SC game should be. There's nothing intuitive about the game half way playing itself for you. | ||
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solistus
United States172 Posts
A global larvae button wouldn't make *as much* sense, since which particular larvae get used will determine where the unit(s) are made. | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
... I mean, you cry about the most insignificant things. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 11 2010 23:17 King K. Rool wrote: Do you even understand the point I'm making? Guess not. I'll explain it to you in easy terms. A and B are true. C is bullshit, protoss has always been like that so don't even give me that shit. If you're stupid enough to power all your warpgates on one pylon then you deserve to lose. Do you not understand the fact that you can a) build units anywhere b) forget to macro but your units pop up in 5 seconds anyways instead of 20+ for the rest of us and c) the total time to build a unit is LESS than normal? It's like you think warpgates are the base unit when gateways fucking are. It's an upgrade. The entire reason you guys shouldn't be complaining is that your downsides are completely offset by your upsides. You keep arguing like all the upsides don't even exist. I'm done with this thread. If you can't even understand something this simple then it's not worth my time. Probably not even worth my time in the first place to argue this. I hope you understand that we're not crying that it's UP, rather that it's not any more OP than the other races' macro and that there's no need to change anything. We most definitely know the upsides exist, we're just saying it's doesn't mean they should remove it. Honestly, just play Protoss and see how annoying it is to have to look away during a big battle just so you can build reinforcements. Sure you can say build proxy pylons and use warp prisms, but unless they're smack in the middle of the fight, you're still gonna have to look away. A lot of good players tend to go around scouting and destroying proxy pylons anyways. Also, people always say that "if you forget to macro, it's okay 'cause your units pop out in 5 seconds anyways." Sure, if you forget to macro, you can have reinforcements pretty quickly, but people always seem to overlook the cooldown. If you miss a production round, YOU STILL MISS A PRODUCTION ROUND. The only difference is that the delay in reinforcements is put off til the next round of units. Total build time is still 20+, the difference is that Protoss gets their units in the first 5 seconds, rather than at the end. The way the game is now, warpgates are pretty much a base unit. No one uses gateways because gateways build a decent % slower and your army will be much smaller if you stick to gateways; especially after the incoming zealot build time nerf. In short, Warpgates are "normal" like you said, while gateways are not. The only reason why we still have gateways -> warpgate research -> warpgate is because just having insta-build warpgates would ruin early game. Also, someone earlier said something about Zerg not getting any benefit in terms of knowing when their larva pops during MBS. I'm pretty damn sure that you have a little counter on the larva button telling you how much larva you have. If you can't deduce that your larva has popped when the number goes from say 3 to 14, then you have a big problem and it's not game balance. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On September 12 2010 02:59 Ryuu314 wrote: Also, someone earlier said something about Zerg not getting any benefit in terms of knowing when their larva pops during MBS. I'm pretty damn sure that you have a little counter on the larva button telling you how much larva you have. If you can't deduce that your larva has popped when the number goes from say 3 to 14, then you have a big problem and it's not game balance. Similarly, the Protoss have a clock-like timer that tells you when the warpgate cooldown is finished. The difference? Zerg has to hotkey all of the hatcheries, while Protoss does not have to hotkey the warpgates. Additionally, there is an easy button for Protoss. "W" automatically selects all your warpgates. If you forget to bind them to a control group, that's fine, since they're all automatically selected for you. Add this, to the on screen timer and you should at least sense that something is wrong with the picture. And for Terran, they have to check each production building for the queue. | ||
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Darkstar_X
United States197 Posts
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
They should make many more changes to follow suit  | ||
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DxL
United States12 Posts
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
On September 12 2010 06:05 DxL wrote: so your saying a new player who doesnt use hotkeys is gonna have to click the warpgate, click the unit, and then click the screen to warp it in? and then what happens when they get more than one warpgate, do they have to do that 5 times? they can learn to hotkey. zerg doesn't have a select all hatchery button and terran doesn't have a select all production facility button. they have to learn to hotkey. but it brings us to this: protoss is designed to be the easy race. protoss is the most straight forward race with the least punishing macro mechanics and the easiest cheese and rush builds. most players play protoss for a reason, you know. not saying there isn't complexity to protoss. i'm saying that if you're a new player, your best bet is protoss. | ||
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onionchowder
United States137 Posts
I don't see anything wrong with the idle warpgate notification, but I definitely agree that Warpgates should not have their own hotkey -- It's simple enough to put them all under one control group and achieve virtually the same effect. As Terran I hotkey all my production facilities together, and as Zerg I hotkey all my hatcheries. I don't see why Protoss can't do the same thing. | ||
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brocoli
Brazil264 Posts
On September 12 2010 06:28 universalwill wrote: they can learn to hotkey. zerg doesn't have a select all hatchery button and terran doesn't have a select all production facility button. they have to learn to hotkey. but it brings us to this: protoss is designed to be the easy race. protoss is the most straight forward race with the least punishing macro mechanics and the easiest cheese and rush builds. most players play protoss for a reason, you know. not saying there isn't complexity to protoss. i'm saying that if you're a new player, your best bet is protoss. Yep, most straightforward, with a critically important spellcaster at tier 1.5, upgrade and research dependant units... and these upgrades and researchs need to be babysitted with chrono boost, a non-trivial shield system for every unit... Protoss has a "Select All Warpgates" button in the same way Zerg has a "Select Larvae" button at the hatchery. Terran doesn't have a "Select all producing structures" button because terran is OP enough already :3. | ||
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SyyRaaaN
Sweden136 Posts
I mean take Dune 2 for an example it's one of the oldest RTS games and back in that game you could only select 1 unit at the time. Thats some micro for you just to do an attack a base. The truth is that a lot of these guys would love if Starcraft 2 was nothing but a APM feast + adding a feature that inverts the Y + X axis of your mouse every 40 seconds. Master that and you will win every game and the skill wankers would have something to watch. Assmaster2000 wrote WOW WATCH THAT GUY, HE CAN PLAY RTS WITH 400 APM WITH AN INVERTED MOUSE That type of people are well represented in this community - and hey its a good thing that they will never get their will through. So - what I'm saying here is that SC2 actually needs that feature for Zerg queens and on Terran as well if it can be applied. And oh yeah - the point of warp gate auto group is to make the game controls better. | ||
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Hunch
Canada336 Posts
boy someone must have been warped rush lots of times :S | ||
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