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July officially announces his move to Starcraft 2 - Page 11

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Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
September 10 2010 14:40 GMT
#201
And... he lost. Sigh.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
September 10 2010 14:43 GMT
#202
On September 10 2010 14:11 zerglingsfolife wrote:
JULY FIGHTING!!! What a beast! Zerg swarm incoming


Yeahhh more tushin airplay he will be the 1st to win a double golden mouse mark my words..!!!
in The Kong line forever
Rodiel
Profile Joined August 2006
France573 Posts
September 10 2010 14:45 GMT
#203
Very very good news
gl hf July
Punkstar
Profile Joined July 2010
Slovakia522 Posts
September 10 2010 14:45 GMT
#204
what's up with that source site, my antivirus is goin crazy...
When in doubt, just drone up.
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
September 10 2010 15:07 GMT
#205
JulyZerg hwaiting!
Awesome news. Maybe sc2 will have an influence in Korea after all.
End my suffering
skAnarky
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada140 Posts
September 10 2010 15:16 GMT
#206
Very awesome news, cant wait to snap some shots of him :D :D
CidO
Profile Joined June 2010
United States695 Posts
September 10 2010 15:21 GMT
#207
Yay good friday(saturday news)!
:P
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 15:24:40
September 10 2010 15:23 GMT
#208
On September 10 2010 21:36 raga4ka wrote:
July is a baller ! People who are not familiar with him should check out his EVER OSL 2008 final . In fact i'm going to post the games here and rewatch them :

<videos removed for space>

I'm looking forward to July dronedrilling some protoss in SC 2 if thats even possible .

Good references, but I'm not sure 2 rushes and kicking around dosairs is exactly the best way to show off someone's talent

Anyways, July was certainly never mechanically lacking. I don't know how well he'll do, but no doubt some sort of impressive control tricks are on the way.
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3632 Posts
September 10 2010 15:26 GMT
#209
Great news for SCII fans!
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
sensenmann
Profile Joined July 2010
United States172 Posts
September 10 2010 15:27 GMT
#210
Did he actually say he is stickin with zerg?
ShadowReaver
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada563 Posts
September 10 2010 15:30 GMT
#211
Great announcement, we all knew he was playing but it's now official. Glad to see him active on the ladder, he has ~900 games O_O

Hope to see him in tournaments soon.
bconSaberRider
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany47 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 15:38:56
September 10 2010 15:38 GMT
#212
Nice =)
I hope I can see more of those SC:BW pros in SC2.
I am excited! Will they be able to climb to the top again?



btw: <Storkfanboy>I wish Stork will join the SC2 bunch, too.</Storkfanboy>
blacktoss
Profile Joined August 2010
United States121 Posts
September 10 2010 15:38 GMT
#213
On September 10 2010 21:35 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 20:02 hawk123 wrote:
On September 10 2010 14:15 Vz0 wrote:
1500 diamond, about right.

I just LoL at all those retards that were like, OMG WHEN KOREAN PRO SWITCH OVER, ITS GG for NA/EU.

No its not. Shutup. Koreans are human like the rest of the world.

There are certain players that are gifted such as (perhaps) Flash and Jaedong. But thats flash and jaedong. THAT IS NOT ALL KOREAN PLAYERS. People mix the two up.

User was temp banned for this post.


Its the korean approach that makes them much more superior to the NA/EU in a game like starcraft. They simply just are more dedicated and have a better structure on how to practice effectively. I would love to see some foreigner really take sc2 by the reigns and become dominate, or just more foreigners who can compete in these gsl tournaments with the koreans. I am super excited to see the old school bw players to come over though.


Honestly, I think it's a combination of the two. There have been plenty of foreigners that have gone to Korea to train, and none of them have ever been mechanically strong compared to Koreans.

Is it so hard to imagine that being Korean could actually have a genetic advantage? Obviously it's ridiculous to say Koreans are genetically better at Starcraft, but perhaps more that Asians are, in general, more agile/nimble and have faster reflexes than foreigners. Look at the sports Asians excel at at the Olympics for instance... it is a thought.


What percentage of BW players are pro-level? A very small number right? There is a statistical phenomenon going on here. You can count the number of foreigners who have gone to play in Korea on your fingers and toes. The number of koreans who aspire to become pros and actually work towards that goal is absolutely much higher, and proportionate to the population of Korean gamers much higher. There is an element of talent in all games, it is small and minute.

The talent that separates Jaedong and Flash from the rest is so small you cannot measure it except by looking at their BW performance, you could not possibly observe in other activities. But that small talent differential is what makes them the top, dominant players. BW is 99% practice and 1% talent. But at the pro levels, that 1% talent is what separates the top from the rest.

There are probably many, many more Jaedong's and Flash's in Europe or in China, or North America than there are in Korea. But you will never find them because so few foreigners go to Korea and fulfill their 99% potential through practice. If pro BW were as big in North America and involved the same rigor of training, there would be so many more Jaedong's and Flash's because there would be so many more progamers testing their mettle and so many aspiring talents who have an oppurtunity to rise to the top.

There is a reason why America and China dominate the olympics. They both have a *LOT* of people, and hence more potential talent to tap. And they try to get to that talent into the olympics instead of it going unrealized.

An example of a nation doing remarkably well beyond its population is Russia, which comparatively has a smaller population and so less potential talent. But Soviet era training regimens would terrify you. The reason why Russian and ex-Soviet chess grandmasters dominate the top levels of chess is because Russian training makes Korean progamer training look like kindergarten, for example. Of course, that era has gone by and you can notice that Russian dominance in many fields is receding.

tl;dr; there is a lot of untapped talent in other countries that will never be realized because they don't have the same progaming culture that Korean BW has. The foreigners that have gone to Korea have not been the most talented possible (although still very good, look at Idra for example).
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
September 10 2010 15:39 GMT
#214
Wowza, this sure makes SC2 more interesting to watch. ^___^
觀過斯知仁矣.
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
September 10 2010 15:44 GMT
#215
this is awesome news, we knew he was playing SC2, but to hear a name like him making the switch is really really great for the game/community.

I'm gonna love watching the God of War tear things up again!
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 10 2010 15:45 GMT
#216
On September 10 2010 14:24 sluggaslamoo wrote:
This is July you are talking about here... the god damn mutha-fing 818 APM July.
818 APM. 818 APM. I wonder how much that is in SC2, but still. 818...

That's like... he makes 400 zerglings (2x 200) and makes two individual moves with each one in under a minute.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3457 Posts
September 10 2010 15:52 GMT
#217
Good luck, ParkSunJoon!
You're my number one Tushin!
Show those chumps who's boss.
A build is not a guess, an estimation or a hunch, a feeling, or a foolish intuition. A build is a dependable, unwavering, unarguably accurate, portrayer of your ambition.
Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
September 10 2010 16:04 GMT
#218
So he was FantaPrime right?
This is going to be great. I wonder if this will encourage the other 2 to step out and officially announce their move to SC2.
Nothing worth having comes easy.
Fangzhou
Profile Joined April 2010
United States199 Posts
September 10 2010 16:06 GMT
#219
Such great news for the scene, can't wait until more top tier (or at least ex-top tier) pros move over to sc2!
Dfgj
Profile Joined May 2008
Singapore5922 Posts
September 10 2010 16:15 GMT
#220
On September 11 2010 00:45 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 14:24 sluggaslamoo wrote:
This is July you are talking about here... the god damn mutha-fing 818 APM July.
818 APM. 818 APM. I wonder how much that is in SC2, but still. 818...

That's like... he makes 400 zerglings (2x 200) and makes two individual moves with each one in under a minute.

Or he just spam-selects them a ton.

I recall the first game of Incruit OSL RO16 (July vs Flash). July peaked at well over 800 APM, and his game involved flying mutas into a wall of turrets and losing everything.

July's sure got the mechanics, but he's not effectively that much faster than anyone else.
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