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Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.
As someone who never wants pro BW to die, this seems fine. Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.
In the absence of a Sc2 proleague, though, i don't see Sc2 replacing BW as the main esport event in Korea. The presence of Proleague allows for a much larger pool of players to make a living playing the game, and also creates a larger source of potential innovation. Remember, even if July was the first to truly master modern muta micro in BW, it was Shark, a player who never really rose above mediocre, who discovered it. In the absence of a guaranteed source of income, there will be a smaller pool of Sc2 "pro's" (defined as people who make a living from playing the game) and an overall lower level of play (since people who have to work for a living can't spend 14 hrs a day improving their mechanics and devising new strategies). It also creates a rather perverse "race to the top" where the better the level of play gets, the less true "progamers" there will be. Higher level play = more work required to win tournaments = lower cost/benefit ratio for trying to stay at the level of skill needed to be a contender for tournament winner. For example, if all of a sudden Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, and all the current usual suspects for making it far into individual leagues in BW were to switch, it would become very hard for people like Idra or July to play Sc2 professionally. Once they caught up on the strategy and game specific mechanics, the generally higher level of skill found in high level BW players would make it increasingly hard for anyone else to compete, and in the absence of proleauge like salaries, even players like Effort, Stork (ie, high level players who CAN beat the best players in the world, but can't do so consistently) would be driven from the scene.
In conclusion, until Sc2 gets a proleague, be glad that only progamers too old or unskilled to keep up with high level BW have switched.
Its so sad to read the people who want to turn everything into a BW vs SC2 war, we saw it with the whole KeSpa thing and now this.
You may not like it, but SC2 is taking off and July isent the first nor the last player who makes the switch.
We all still love BW but its time to move on to a different game and see new legends aswell as old ones battle it out. I know people like you exist in every corner of the internet "everything was better before baaw" like an old man yelling at the youngsters how everything was better in his day etc.
You can keep doing that, but at least do it on other forums or do it in he BW section where you will get more support from the "lets gogogo BW vs SC2, BW wins lolol" brigade, because you are inscure that SC2 is taking over.
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My prediction: July Replays are shown.
Zergs are highlighted on streams
Topic are made on Zerg strategies
FLOOD if Zerg IMBA strategies incoming because Zergs generally increase in skill as a korean progamer paves the way.
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On September 11 2010 01:41 Raevin wrote:Show nested quote +Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.
As someone who never wants pro BW to die, this seems fine. Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.
In the absence of a Sc2 proleague, though, i don't see Sc2 replacing BW as the main esport event in Korea. The presence of Proleague allows for a much larger pool of players to make a living playing the game, and also creates a larger source of potential innovation. Remember, even if July was the first to truly master modern muta micro in BW, it was Shark, a player who never really rose above mediocre, who discovered it. In the absence of a guaranteed source of income, there will be a smaller pool of Sc2 "pro's" (defined as people who make a living from playing the game) and an overall lower level of play (since people who have to work for a living can't spend 14 hrs a day improving their mechanics and devising new strategies). It also creates a rather perverse "race to the top" where the better the level of play gets, the less true "progamers" there will be. Higher level play = more work required to win tournaments = lower cost/benefit ratio for trying to stay at the level of skill needed to be a contender for tournament winner. For example, if all of a sudden Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, and all the current usual suspects for making it far into individual leagues in BW were to switch, it would become very hard for people like Idra or July to play Sc2 professionally. Once they caught up on the strategy and game specific mechanics, the generally higher level of skill found in high level BW players would make it increasingly hard for anyone else to compete, and in the absence of proleauge like salaries, even players like Effort, Stork (ie, high level players who CAN beat the best players in the world, but can't do so consistently) would be driven from the scene.
In conclusion, until Sc2 gets a proleague, be glad that only progamers too old or unskilled to keep up with high level BW have switched. Its so sad to read the people who want to turn everything into a BW vs SC2 war, we saw it with the whole KeSpa thing and now this. You may not like it, but SC2 is taking off and July isent the first nor the last player who makes the switch. We all still love BW but its time to move on to a different game and see new legends aswell as old ones battle it out. I know people like you exist in every corner of the internet "everything was better before baaw" like an old man yelling at the youngsters how everything was better in his day etc. You can keep doing that, but at least do it on other forums or do it in he BW section where you will get more support from the "lets gogogo BW vs SC2, BW wins lolol" brigade, because you are inscure that SC2 is taking over.
Basically this. I'll add that when the money is there, more pros will move to SC2. Gamers don't care about which game requires more APM or mechanics, they go where the money is. If there is more money to be made in SC2, more pros will be playing SC2, it's just that simple. It's why you're seeing vets like July and others move over.
BTW, anyone dissing on July needs their head examined. Seriously.
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On September 11 2010 01:41 Raevin wrote:Show nested quote +Sc2 - Where former BW pro gamer retire after they can't keep up with a more APM intensive game.
As someone who never wants pro BW to die, this seems fine. Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.
In the absence of a Sc2 proleague, though, i don't see Sc2 replacing BW as the main esport event in Korea. The presence of Proleague allows for a much larger pool of players to make a living playing the game, and also creates a larger source of potential innovation. Remember, even if July was the first to truly master modern muta micro in BW, it was Shark, a player who never really rose above mediocre, who discovered it. In the absence of a guaranteed source of income, there will be a smaller pool of Sc2 "pro's" (defined as people who make a living from playing the game) and an overall lower level of play (since people who have to work for a living can't spend 14 hrs a day improving their mechanics and devising new strategies). It also creates a rather perverse "race to the top" where the better the level of play gets, the less true "progamers" there will be. Higher level play = more work required to win tournaments = lower cost/benefit ratio for trying to stay at the level of skill needed to be a contender for tournament winner. For example, if all of a sudden Flash, Jaedong, Fantasy, and all the current usual suspects for making it far into individual leagues in BW were to switch, it would become very hard for people like Idra or July to play Sc2 professionally. Once they caught up on the strategy and game specific mechanics, the generally higher level of skill found in high level BW players would make it increasingly hard for anyone else to compete, and in the absence of proleauge like salaries, even players like Effort, Stork (ie, high level players who CAN beat the best players in the world, but can't do so consistently) would be driven from the scene.
In conclusion, until Sc2 gets a proleague, be glad that only progamers too old or unskilled to keep up with high level BW have switched. Its so sad to read the people who want to turn everything into a BW vs SC2 war, we saw it with the whole KeSpa thing and now this. You may not like it, but SC2 is taking off and July isent the first nor the last player who makes the switch. We all still love BW but its time to move on to a different game and see new legends aswell as old ones battle it out. I know people like you exist in every corner of the internet "everything was better before baaw" like an old man yelling at the youngsters how everything was better in his day etc. You can keep doing that, but at least do it on other forums or do it in he BW section where you will get more support from the "lets gogogo BW vs SC2, BW wins lolol" brigade, because you are inscure that SC2 is taking over.
And it's pretty hilarious how assumptions are already being made about SC2. The game is so new and the skill ceiling is nowhere close in sight, it is sad to see BW lovers hating so hard on SC2 because they don't want BW to die.
Sc2 is the senior PGA of esports - a place where we can see our former hero's now past their prime still duke it out, while the young bucks fight it out in a more skill-intense league.
You are saying "mehh some of the pros are getting older, so they shall move to SC2 because their skills are getting worse. Let the real best players keep playing BW because the game requires more skill"
SC2 will require more skill when the players get better! Units function much more like they are commanded to unlike in BW. IMO This will make micro extremely delicate when serious progamers start playing SC2. Strategies will be much more various and irregular. I'm just psyched. I hate when people debunk SC2 because its like WTF? I've been waiting 12 years, bro, I'm gonna defend this game like it's my child.
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Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original"
eat that nay-sayers!
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BW will die, eventually. New players now start with SC2, so this is the end of days of BW. Look, we all loved it, but some people are slower to let go. Leave them be. Their suffering is of their own making.
Meanwhile, welcome, July!
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Vatican City State2594 Posts
You are dead to me, July.
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On September 11 2010 01:15 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2010 00:45 figq wrote:On September 10 2010 14:24 sluggaslamoo wrote:
This is July you are talking about here... the god damn mutha-fing 818 APM July. 818 APM. 818 APM. I wonder how much that is in SC2, but still. 818... That's like... he makes 400 zerglings (2x 200) and makes two individual moves with each one in under a minute. Or he just spam-selects them a ton. I recall the first game of Incruit OSL RO16 (July vs Flash). July peaked at well over 800 APM, and his game involved flying mutas into a wall of turrets and losing everything. July's sure got the mechanics, but he's not effectively that much faster than anyone else. Frankly, I'm so relieved to hear that. Thank you, good sir.
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On September 11 2010 02:39 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +Regarding Starcraft 2's gameplay, he said that "I think the game has gotten more difficult compared to the original" eat that nay-sayers!
It's because he's playing Zerg =P!
(that and he's spend 3+ years on SC1 and like what? a few month on SC2?)
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BW dead mang, its all about three letter acronyms now to blizz. SC BW to SC2:WoL
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Wow, I didn't think we would see this announced until we see him in a Starcraft II LAN tourny ~ Good choice by July IMO.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
got a new favourite sc2 player!
TUSHIN FIGHTING
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YES!
The SCII Zerg Swarm grows stronger yet again!
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leomon
Canada169 Posts
One of my favorite BW zergs switching over to SC2? YES PLEASE!
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go july! make history again !
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Awesome. I just hope July doesn't do his senseless aggression too much like he did in brood war. <_< "Oh, I'll just throw 200/200 food armies x5 at his front. It'll work."
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OMG :D
i just cannot pick a favorite sc2 team now. so hard to decide.
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Good. July is a literal Zerg beast and his presence basically means that more and more people will be inspired to take up Zerg. I bet he will try to pave the way for new Zerg strats. He was famous for his Sauron Zerg strat in SC1. Can't wait to see more pro BW players join into the fray and pave the way for brand new strats.
"Hell, its about time"
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July will teach us how zerg play is really done.
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