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TelecoM
United States10768 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
And Artosis has the infamous 'phony weatherman' syndrome which I can't get over, he just annoys me. Either kick your game up a notch, or step aside and leave it to the young guns. Like someone said, there are people who would kill to do what you do for a living, so better think for a second before deciding. P.S. About Husky and HD, I'm gonna use a parallel with the Korean commentators. A LOT of people love Korean commentaries, and you could validly say that they teach you nothing about the game, because you don't understand shit, but they have huge amounts of passion in them. (and a more steady camera) I'd trade good analysis for passion any day, if we can't have both. | ||
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Maeldun
Australia169 Posts
I hadn't heard either of them commentate before. Originally I was looking forward to hearing Tasteless because I like Day[9] a lot, and because I don't like the way Artosis looked in the pics I saw of him hahaha. But I'm glad that Artosis is there actually, he does know the players and backgrounds and stuff as he plays with them. Artosis is the better commentator. (Not a competition, but perhaps Tasteless should follow his lead a bit) | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On September 10 2010 16:36 niteReloaded wrote: Tasteless lost his spark a long time ago. He should really move on because this clearly isn't his real passion anymore. He sounds like a mercenary these days, not like a true game lover. And Artosis has the infamous 'phony weatherman' syndrome which I can't get over, he just annoys me. Either kick your game up a notch, or step aside and leave it to the young guns. Like someone said, there are people who would kill to do what you do for a living, so better think for a second before deciding. not sure what sort of spark are you reffering to, i've been following Tasteless since the first season of Gom, and i loved his style of commentating critics will always find something to critique about, i don't blame them for not getting better knowledge of most players on most of the GSL player atm, in fact the SC2 scene is so new, and not many players has actually accomplished anything in particular, its really hard to get hyped for a match of 2 random korean dude duking it out, there's not many that " star " as there have been in SC1 to get people that excited yet. for me the tastosis duo is awesome, but i miss more of SDM + Tasteless duo more tbh, SDM alaways try to make the cast more professional (though he did fail at that some times during hsi casting career) and insightful giving out player history from the perspective of a ex-team manager and his stories on progamers are pretty awesome sometimes and of course SDM + Tasteless always seems to produce some of the most random jokes ever. toss in SDM into tastosis for me would be perfect. most people here seems to compare these casts to real sports professional cast, the laid back and having fun nature of the cast appeals to me more actually. I do agree with some of the points brought up though, it seems kinda silly that a caster doesn't fully knows the observing tools available for them... | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
Now i play myself, plat league, and i still spend around two hours a day watching VOD's and have payed for premium both on GOM and ESL. I had such a high hopes for the GSL-casts but i really found the casts to be somewhat disappointing, i found HDH & Day9 to be smoother and more entertaining. In any caster duo there traditionally is one "main-caster" and one expert commentator to provide additional insights into the game, be it Fotball, Hockey or in this case SC2. I didn't expect Tasteless to know everything or be to technical, what i expected him to do was carry the cast, keep it smooth and flowing and making sure I as a viewer was keeping up with what is happening, having Artosis provide the why is something happening and what could be the consequences och counters. They are a caster duo, they should complement each other and work together but i dont find that they are are working that well together. To often do Artosis "cut-in" with something that is not really related or going totally out-of-the-game off topic. Tasteless should focus much more on keeping a tab on what is happening (BC coming out...) and leaving more of the analysis to Artosis. That is part of the reason why i enjoy HDH so much, they are both great at carrying the cast and making the wiever really feel into the game, where they fail is that they are not experts and i would really like HD to do a cast flanked by someone with great game knowledge and insight (Torch for exemple). So instead of HD guessing why player X is building MMM + Banshee + Raven before pushing out he can just ask the expert what his thoughts on this is. Day9 is the best i have seen yet, managing both parts fairly well. Also, why for me Tasteless + Torch was the best cast of GSL so far, without Artosis Tasteless took charge more and Torch did exactly what i wanted him to do: Provide expert analysis when needed but not cutting in with useless stuff. But, all things said i still enjoy the casts a lot and will definatly keep bying premium on GOM-TV =) | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On September 10 2010 16:52 Shizuru~ wrote: not sure what sort of spark are you reffering to, i've been following Tasteless since the first season of Gom, and i loved his style of commentating critics will always find something to critique about, i don't blame them for not getting better knowledge of most players on most of the GSL player atm, in fact the SC2 scene is so new, and not many players has actually accomplished anything in particular, its really hard to get hyped for a match of 2 random korean dude duking it out, there's not many that " star " as there have been in SC1 to get people that excited yet. for me the tastosis duo is awesome, but i miss more of SDM + Tasteless duo more tbh, SDM alaways try to make the cast more professional (though he did fail at that some times during hsi casting career) and insightful giving out player history from the perspective of a ex-team manager and his stories on progamers are pretty awesome sometimes and of course SDM + Tasteless always seems to produce some of the most random jokes ever. toss in SDM into tastosis for me would be perfect. To me, he just seems like he doesn't truly enjoy this anymore. Early in Gom he was great, and before that, all those WCG casts were great. These videos sound so much better than he does now imo: | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
They're supposed to have a lot background knowledge about EVERY player? Are you kidding me? They're commentators, not journalists. Unless they've known about the players before there's little change they give us any additional information before their first matches. Also their knowledge is just fine and don't even try to put them on the same low level as HD / Husky. That's just a pathetic assumption. And bet, they are frigging hilarious. Not even Day9 makes me laugh so much. You just gotta love how Tasteless always picks up on the critters and stuff like "THERE'S A SCORPION IN THE HATCHERY!" Automatons2000 have feelings and want to be mentioned, too  Yes, their camera work could improve and hopefully they know about all the hotkeys soon. But that's just minor. Edit: And I'm completely new to them. Didn't listen to BW casts. | ||
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Wargizmo
1237 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:08 motbob wrote: I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Tasteless is, and always has been, the consummate professional. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/MzGaD.gif) That's some gosu slap micro right there :D | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
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rzelky
Poland8 Posts
On September 10 2010 17:00 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: + Show Spoiler + Woah I can't even believe people are really, really complaining that hard about them @.@ They're supposed to have a lot background knowledge about EVERY player? Are you kidding me? They're commentators, not journalists. Unless they've known about the players before there's little change they give us any additional information before their first matches. Also their knowledge is just fine and don't even try to put them on the same low level as HD / Husky. That's just a pathetic assumption. And bet, they are frigging hilarious. Not even Day9 makes me laugh so much. You just gotta love how Tasteless always picks up on the critters and stuff like "THERE'S A SCORPION IN THE HATCHERY!" Automatons2000 have feelings and want to be mentioned, too Yes, their camera work could improve and hopefully they know about all the hotkeys soon. But that's just minor. Edit: And I'm completely new to them. Didn't listen to BW casts GSL - International tourney, Tasteless and Artosis - English speaking commentators for the event [ they are not commentating on a small regional event for 100 peeps, mind you ] Yes, they are supposed to: - Know everything there is to know about each and every player participating in the toruney ... [ if/when available - including deep research on that ] - Know whos playing in the first set, second, third [ reading notes to find out whos playing in the last set ? come on... ] - Learn that 'our Terran player' has a nickname, and use that nickname [ every day its up to 5 games = 10 players... don't tell u cant learn that ] - Know how to use and when to use spectator tools BEFORE the event starts .... and keep it sexy I wont says whether or not they are good commentators coz its a matter of personal opinion, so are the jokes ppl make - some like dat some don't. I will just say, after seeing what i already saw - i wouldn't hire tasteless to commentate my GSL tourney - which doesnt mean i dont enjoy his casting  | ||
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Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Germany2959 Posts
Also 90% of their audience couldn't care less about the fact where some unknown player was born, really. Edit: In fact, they often gave information that interested me. Like that one 2000+ points player. I'm interested in that, as it concerns SC2. But whatever, everyones a critic nowadays ;P | ||
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RaFeStaR
United States161 Posts
Stop whining and be glad you have these two instead of other people who talk about a bunch of useless garbage to make themselves seem more knowledgeable ..by the way, whoever said hd/husky were better must be mental midgets. | ||
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
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haka
United States1414 Posts
That being said, I sacrifice sleep everyday in order to watch and listen to Tasteless and Artosis. The GSL is just so much more entertaining with the both of them. Most other tournaments I feel like I'm in class, getting lectured on SC2. Most times I'll start dozing off or alt tab. With Tastosis, I'm fully engulfed. I loathe the commercial break, I yearn for their handsome faces to reappear. And when they come back, I fall right back under their spell. No homo. | ||
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sigma_x
Australia285 Posts
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Nilaus
Denmark159 Posts
On September 10 2010 08:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote: As for game knowledge, I find it funny hearing random people I've never heard of commenting on commentators' game knowledge. What do they know? Take any sport and you will see that there are fans, who know a lot more about the theory and players than they "pros". I am sure that a lot of people are watching (not playing) a lot more SC2 than you are, which makes them more qualified to comment on the different styles of casting and how good they are at sharing the information. I completely agree with Manifesto and JWD, that Tasteless and Artosis are unprofessional and treating it like a hobby. It is clear that Tasteless has never watched any of his brothers shows as that would have taught him the basic tools for spectating and commentating a match. | ||
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Mascherano
Argentina1726 Posts
On September 10 2010 17:42 sigma_x wrote: I don't agree with most of the criticism leveled at tasteless. Sure, they could have steadier camera control or learn a little more about the players - fair enough, but these are minor issues. Tasteless' charm comes from his non-sequitur humour and his relaxed poise, and its far more enjoyable and easier on the ears than having a thousand words hurled at you (which popular 'wisdom' suggests is the high point of casting- see youtube commentators). Missing drops, game changing units and getting late to a lot of battles is not something minor. These are exciting parts of the game and when Tasteless gets there late to the action or just completely misses it a lot of the excitement is gone. I like the casting in general but he really needs to pay attention to the minimap. Let's see how they do today  | ||
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Aranaukin
United States60 Posts
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
Commentating in SC2 is far more difficult to do than SCBW because of the new tabs. I mean it does give the commentators more ways to make them better commentators, but they need to constantly be switching through different tabs, as well as keeping an eye on the game. Personally, I'm the kind of person like likes seeing everything as much as possible, and like having commentators look all over the map quickly- possibly like Tasteless did? except not even enough I think. This brings up an issue of some people - maybe the casual viewers that don't know what they like (but probably like it slower) - who like it slower and others who want to see everything. I can understand a slow point of view, because a casual viewer could be confused by screen switching all the time, but there's definite merit to screen switching as well. Many people want to see as much as possible going on so that they actually understand the little things happening (which are important) so that they can learn about how to play the game, why players made certain choices, and how to play or improve certain build orders or strategies. | ||
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