EPTThat being said, he does need to improve, the observing could be better and he has missed some stuff during important games.
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durza
United States667 Posts
That being said, he does need to improve, the observing could be better and he has missed some stuff during important games. | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:58 Manifesto7 wrote: This isn't anything new. It was the same deal in BW when Tasteless didn't know the names of the players during the GSI and other events. Those who said he are treating it like a hobby are 100% correct. He don't practice his commentating, he doesn't practice his observing, and he treats the cast like they are chatting on vent and battle.net. 60 of the 64 gamers in this tournament are Koreans, and most of them are completely unknown to even the die hard fans. It is the commentators job to provide information that we don't have, but it is painfully obvious that neither has taken the time to supplement their knowledge beyond name recognition. Even watching replays of the players and taking a few notes on tendencies would raise the quality of the cast immeasurably. Talking to the players beforehand would help too. Get a translator. But again, this is nothing new. Tasteless has been coasting on his reputation for years and benefits from being the biggest (and only) name in Korea. I have never seen him take concrete steps to actually improve his casting. Which is really too bad really, because his natural charisma makes him great for TV. He just doesn't have anything to back it up with. gimme a break u big overgrown peach | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
Only rekrul can say this and not get banned lol. But i agree with rekrul  . | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
torch did quite well for his first time as well so props to him | ||
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UnderWorld_Dream
Canada219 Posts
It's all good to point out constructive tips, but once again, some people should show some more respect to such big names in the scene. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
However, when I watch an event like this I expect professionalism. I see them joking around about random stuff and going on huge tangents that don't matter at all and all I can think about is : if they were the Korean casters they would not have a job anymore. They haven't been perfect following the action either which is a shame but for me the real problem is the unproffessional commentary. Sometimes they go several minutes without really talking about the game or what's happening. I think this would be a lot more enjoyable if they were 100% focused on the game instead of treating it like their personal stream. | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
On September 10 2010 11:44 Kurr wrote: I haven't enjoyed the casting much either to be honest. I don't think they are awful. They've been entertaining, better than normal streamers on TL. However, when I watch an event like this I expect professionalism. I see them joking around about random stuff and going on huge tangents that don't matter at all and all I can think about is : if they were the Korean casters they would not have a job anymore. They haven't been perfect following the action either which is a shame but for me the real problem is the unproffessional commentary. Sometimes they go several minutes without really talking about the game or what's happening. I think this would be a lot more enjoyable if they were 100% focused on the game instead of treating it like their personal stream. I disagree. I think the jokes and comments made by Tasteless and Artosis keep it funny and lighthearted. They usually keep it to when not much is happening in the game, which I find acceptable. They do still have some work to do in providing coverage of the game, but I would hate for them to completely lose their banter. | ||
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CheAse
Canada919 Posts
With Artosis zipping everywhere, they never miss anything together. | ||
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Vz0
Canada378 Posts
On September 10 2010 09:00 Liquid`Tyler wrote: :o The game has been out only a few months and new people are watching every day... These new viewers don't understand the concept of building a CC in any other spot than at the expansion. When Tasteless talked about that, I actually thought "it's really great that he fits in little things like that so that people who are totally new to SC can start to learn these things" Catering to Platinum and higher players would certainly be bad for the cast. It'd be horrible if they filtered their game knowledge by asking "do most Diamond players already know this?" The thing is, how are you going to judge a commentator's game knowledge if you are not more knowledgeable? If they tell you something you don't already know, then you have no idea if they're correct or not. If they tell you something you already know and agree with, so you know that they're giving out accurate information, you fault them for saying something that "everyone already knows." Very great point ! If GOMTV is actually trying to extend esports, it is wise for them to cater their casting to all levels of players and even broodwar players looking to switch over. Excellent point that I've over looked. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:58 Manifesto7 wrote: This isn't anything new. It was the same deal in BW when Tasteless didn't know the names of the players during the GSI and other events. Those who said he are treating it like a hobby are 100% correct. He don't practice his commentating, he doesn't practice his observing, and he treats the cast like they are chatting on vent and battle.net. because you live with him? just because someone doesnt quote statistics and meaningless boring shit at you doesnt mean they dont prepare. its blatantly obvious that in less than a week his casts have vastly improved in terms of the sc2 obs features. ya he wasnt familiar with them at first, because he spent his time practicing the game so he could actually talk coherently about it, unlike all but 2 other casters. 60 of the 64 gamers in this tournament are Koreans, and most of them are completely unknown to even the die hard fans. It is the commentators job to provide information that we don't have, but it is painfully obvious that neither has taken the time to supplement their knowledge beyond name recognition. Even watching replays of the players and taking a few notes on tendencies would raise the quality of the cast immeasurably. Talking to the players beforehand would help too. Get a translator. its not his job to teach you who koreannewbie#34 is. its his job to talk about the game and be entertaining. and he does that. when a player is noteworthy he talks about them, when theres an unknown who might become noteworthy, like iron, he tells you that. when someone is an actual nobody that means theres nothing to say about them. so he's funny and entertaining and he talks about the game. But again, this is nothing new. Tasteless has been coasting on his reputation for years and benefits from being the biggest (and only) name in Korea. I have never seen him take concrete steps to actually improve his casting. Which is really too bad really, because his natural charisma makes him great for TV. He just doesn't have anything to back it up with. | ||
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Gunman_csz
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
On September 10 2010 12:37 IdrA wrote: because you live with him? just because someone doesnt quote statistics and meaningless boring shit at you doesnt mean they dont prepare. its blatantly obvious that in less than a week his casts have vastly improved in terms of the sc2 obs features. ya he wasnt familiar with them at first, because he spent his time practicing the game so he could actually talk coherently about it, unlike all but 2 other casters. its not his job to teach you who koreannewbie#34 is. its his job to talk about the game and be entertaining. and he does that. when a player is noteworthy he talks about them, when theres an unknown who might become noteworthy, like iron, he tells you that. when someone is an actual nobody that means theres nothing to say about them. so he's funny and entertaining and he talks about the game. shut up Nicely put, Btw If you don't mind, but could you share with us who do you think are the other two worthy casters :D? Let me guess Artosis and Day9? | ||
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leetchaos
United States395 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:50 iCCup.Diamond wrote: One thing I forgot is there 100% be an observer besides the casters like how GOM did it in BW. It's 100x easier with it being built in and they can break cam anytime they need. With this much $ on the line I'm surprised they don't have a dedicated English Observer. QFT | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Thank you. I seriously think this is something GOM needs to address. Having no dedicated english observer is a REALLY BIG FUCKING DEAL. It's not smart and not fair to the casters. You don't see John Madden down on the field casting and holding the camera at the same time.... Edit: I think this will allow Tasteless to move quickly back to his old BW form much quicker than the current setup. Please please please please GOM get a dedicated English observer. I can't really say this enough. | ||
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Demand2k
Norway875 Posts
I do remember stuff like Tasteless introducing pretty (free) as a "new" player in one of the GOM tourneys back in 2008, but god did he and SDM rock GOM season 3! Not to mention Tastosis during last year's WCG, t'was amazing. Give them some time to find their comfort zones, and this wil become greatness again :-) | ||
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Sealteam
Australia296 Posts
All I could ask is that you keep the production tab up when you're not explicitly checking something else. Really helps us watching the game (and yourself) keep up with tech choices, when units/workers are being produced, upgrades, ect. and still allowing you to follow the action, not having to search bases for tech. I.E units tab to highlight an army, back to production tab. income tab to highlight economy differences, back to production tab. APM for lulz, back to production tab. Enjoyable commentary improving noticeably every single night though. I like your map detail spotting during lulls in the action. =) | ||
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sLiMpoweR
United States430 Posts
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MntLightning
United States19 Posts
On September 10 2010 10:41 Aylear wrote: The commentators of the biggest eSports event in the world don't even know the game's hotkeys. No, I won't give them fucking time. There's no excuse for it. Considering not everyone uses the same hotkey setup it's not really an issue if they know them or not. I don't care what hotkey is used for what unit when I'm watching a game. I care about what's happening and want a little info about things related to the situation. Both Tasteless and Artosis are getting the hang of things. Nobody was perfect at first. | ||
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automocc
United States40 Posts
I'm getting a lot of the good vibes from the cast just like his older ones.. and people have to remember that this is a new game, he is still adapting his cast style to SC2.. | ||
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
Artosis = Conan Tasteless = Andy Richter And we all know what happened to Andy Richter. Tasteless probably won't suffer the same fate as Andy, but he really needs to step up his game. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:00 comis wrote: I think you're alone in your opinions here. They clearly both have a "future in casting" since that's what they do. No they arent ... Tartosis are soo full of themselves in their commenting that it is a lot more buddy talk than game analysis. They are ALWAYS talking and thus miss key things like the Fusion Core and the BC being built when AugustWeRRa beat oGsLeader. Thats almost 2 minutes of building time and one building they SHOULD HAVE noticed. They do that twice in a row, so its NOT one exception and they should have looked for it in the second [third] game. The Korean commentators got all of these things both times ... even the Protoss got it (the Fusion Core) with his Observer. Tasteless and Artosis are blabbering on about Banshee and Ravens while the Fusion Core and the Tech Lab at the Starport is building. The combination of them makes it extremely BAD, because they are doing too much "buddy talk". On September 10 2010 12:54 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Thank you. I seriously think this is something GOM needs to address. Having no dedicated english observer is a REALLY BIG FUCKING DEAL. It's not smart and not fair to the casters. You don't see John Madden down on the field casting and holding the camera at the same time.... Edit: I think this will allow Tasteless to move quickly back to his old BW form much quicker than the current setup. Please please please please GOM get a dedicated English observer. I can't really say this enough. Maybe Tasteless and Artosis should lock their point of view to the Korean Observer? Cheap, easy and fast solution IMO. | ||
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