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Craton
United States17250 Posts
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On September 10 2010 12:37 IdrA wrote: because you live with him? just because someone doesnt quote statistics and meaningless boring shit at you doesnt mean they dont prepare. its blatantly obvious that in less than a week his casts have vastly improved in terms of the sc2 obs features. ya he wasnt familiar with them at first, because he spent his time practicing the game so he could actually talk coherently about it, unlike all but 2 other casters. its not his job to teach you who koreannewbie#34 is. its his job to talk about the game and be entertaining. and he does that. when a player is noteworthy he talks about them, when theres an unknown who might become noteworthy, like iron, he tells you that. when someone is an actual nobody that means theres nothing to say about them. so he's funny and entertaining and he talks about the game. shut up Im sure tasteless is a great guy so i guess its normal that you guys defend him, but I dont think Mani's post is far off. In sc1 days with "famous" pros tasteless was already messing up players and now it doesnt really seem like there is any preparation either. He doesnt have to teach me who unknown newbie #34 is, but if Intotherain is playing it would be nice if he would actually know that... Even 90% of the stream watchers knew that... I guess he was just reading TL as the game started and suddenly realized it... It is part of his job to know this and tell us this though... Also didnt tasteless himself say that he didnt play the game that much yesterday in the cast? That would conflict with what you just said. Not 100% sure though... My stream is laggy as hell and its not always that easy to follow ^^ Anyway he's funny, yes, but that doesn't mean he doesnt have to do any preparation... Stratwise I feel the overall comment is fine, sometimes it's just hard for them to predict when players do unorthodox strats... | ||
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rocketboy77
171 Posts
As someone mentioned earlier, Tasteless could lock his camera to that of a third party observer, then break the lock to comment on funny things. If he did that and he or Artosis kept an eye on the production tab? It would make things so much better. I don't think that the weak link is Tasteless's ability to commentate; he's just being a bit overwhelmed. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On September 10 2010 13:48 Kaolla wrote: Also didnt tasteless himself say that he didnt play the game that much yesterday in the cast? That would conflict with what you just said. Not 100% sure though... My stream is laggy as hell and its not always that easy to follow ^^ Anyway he's funny, yes, but that doesn't mean he doesnt have to do any preparation... Yes, Tasteless said something along these lines and yes, being funny is NOT enough to cast these games. | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3099 Posts
Mistakes, of course, are a whole different thing; they've definitely made mistakes, but they've improved so far, and will continue to improve in the future. I for one am greatly enjoying the journey.... | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/MzGaD.gif) | ||
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
It takes an informed fan, to truly appreciate a good commentator. I think Husky is decent, HDH says little of worth but finds interesting games to put up, so I watch his vids. However, to compare them to Tastless and Artosis is simply absurd. Maybe, maybe, given enough time HDH will get there, but they are not in the same league currently. | ||
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Dookie1
United States70 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:02 Rabiator wrote: Yes, Tasteless said something along these lines and yes, being funny is NOT enough to cast these games. he's not just funny nerds are the whiniest bunch of people i ever met, need every single part of a caster to be perfect to be pleased he is fine, stop whining | ||
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Zamiel
United States211 Posts
to quote nony, For entertainment value, Artosis and Tasteless are way better than everyone else for me. I don't even like when commentators get all excited (unless I'm the one playing). I looove the laid back approach, cracking jokes and making funny observations. It's perfect for me. its 100% perfect for me also As for Mani, I understand where you are coming from with your huge passion for SC2, but I think you are being wayyyy too harsh. I feel sorry for all the TL nerds who honestly enjoy the same old d'Apollo play by play and manufactured excitement game after game after game. I have about 3 times as much fun watching GSL than I do IEM; yes it would be nice if tasteless knew some shit about random_korean_player_05 but as other people in this thread have mentioned, its not his job. The point I'm trying to make here is that entertainment value should come before any of the other shit. I think in summary that the real gem of this thread is from Hrrrrm though, and ill QFT: + Show Spoiler + People are missing the most obvious thing when trying to give Tasteless and Artosis the benefit of the doubt. They know what both of them are capable of and I do so as well. The thing is that people just coming into SC2 have NO IDEA who they are. I'll give a perfect example, I got a friend of mine into watching SC2 through iCCup and Day9 and he was pleased, enjoyed watching the game a lot even though he rarely plays. I told him about the upcoming GSL and how Tasteless use to cast for BW from Korea and how the hype was amazing. Fast forward to the first cast and he tells me how he felt it was freaking amateur hour. They want me to pay $20 when the casters don't even know or have familiarity with the tools while I can get Day9 or iCCup for free? Part of peoples displeasure is from what seems like the obvious lack of preparation by Tasteless. The hype and huge expectations did not materialize in the cast. It truly did seem like Tasteless had never tried to Obs or cast a single game in SC2 on that first night. I love Tasteless and his style but I don't know if it was because he felt he was assured the job that he didn't bother to prepare. This is on the job training at it's finest. I think the majority of the people complaining or offering criticism in this thread are genuine. They all want Tasteless and Artosis to succeed and just feel let down that they just seem to have not taken this opportunity seriously from the get go. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 10 2010 13:24 Rabiator wrote: No they arent ... Tartosis are soo full of themselves in their commenting that it is a lot more buddy talk than game analysis. They are ALWAYS talking and thus miss key things like the Fusion Core and the BC being built when AugustWeRRa beat oGsLeader. Thats almost 2 minutes of building time and one building they SHOULD HAVE noticed. They do that twice in a row, so its NOT one exception and they should have looked for it in the second [third] game. The Korean commentators got all of these things both times ... even the Protoss got it (the Fusion Core) with his Observer. Tasteless and Artosis are blabbering on about Banshee and Ravens while the Fusion Core and the Tech Lab at the Starport is building. The combination of them makes it extremely BAD, because they are doing too much "buddy talk". Maybe Tasteless and Artosis should lock their point of view to the Korean Observer? Cheap, easy and fast solution IMO. I watch the games with the Korean HD video + English commentary and I've gotta say, the Korean obs is pretty terrible. I don't know how Tasteless's is, since I haven't watched since day 1, but the Korean obs is regularly late to engagements or tech structures/expansions going up. | ||
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Contagious
United States1319 Posts
On September 10 2010 07:09 JWD wrote: The number one thing I'd like to see out of Artosis and Tasteless is for them to treat this more like a job and less like a hobby. By that I mean I'd like to see that they prepared for the matches before casting them. Many times they seem not to know anything about the players involved. Can we get some background, anecdotes, anything? This is the sort of stuff that is crucial to developing a young game — we need to know the players to root for them! Overall I think Artosis and Tasteless make a good combo though. I'd love to see Artosis go as in-depth on strategy as he did in his BW commentaries. you know I was thinking the same thing, but then my roommate came in and watched the match and he barely knows shit about sc2 (he just started playing a week ago and is about a gold player) and he really got into the stream, saying like "wow cmon artosis, build more hydras" and shit lol but it was cool because someone with no background was actually getting into the way they were casting. | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:19 Ndugu wrote: ME and my friends watched the Idra game and we were all laughing at loud at how terrible the obsing was. IT was so bad it was almost like a joke-- I really hope they get a hang of it. The casting itself was subpar, tbh Basically through this post you are admitting that you've only watched one game! The obsing in that game was so bad because of a technical error, and it was never even close to that bad ever again. Why are you coming into this thread and expressing your opinion when you've only bothered to watch one game? | ||
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:19 Ndugu wrote: ME and my friends watched the Idra game and we were all laughing at loud at how terrible the obsing was. IT was so bad it was almost like a joke-- I really hope they get a hang of it. The casting itself was subpar, tbh Massive self ownage, massive | ||
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unindel
United States206 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:15 Jibba wrote: I watch the games with the Korean HD video + English commentary and I've gotta say, the Korean obs is pretty terrible. I don't know how Tasteless's is, since I haven't watched since day 1, but the Korean obs is regularly late to engagements or tech structures/expansions going up. Tasteless's camerawork has been pretty hit-or-miss for me. At times he seems to be getting around showing most of the stuff(especially in the ZvX games where Artosis really puts out a lot and directs Tasteless' view around, those are wonderful, see MaruPrime vs Cella for the most part - even there he missed all but the tail end of a couple of the drops), but at other times he seems to pan away from a big battle with micro going on to look at a doodad or Automaton critter or something. I really don't mind the doodad stuff in the early stages of the game when its slow, and I generally like their banter and relaxed style, but its frustrating missing keypoints of battles because he decides to pan it slightly off for whatever reason. I forget which match it was (PvP on Steppes with the DT into FE against collossus), but I was completely confused as to why the Collossus player lost his army when he had an obs because Tasteless completely missed the key part of the battle which was apparently a stalker blink snipe of the obs allowing DT's to wreck the enemy army. Tasteless/Artosis didn't even comment on it, and I only figured it out because I was in the Livereport thread where people were complaining that they didn't show/mention it >_>. As far as tech structures/expansions, Tasteless has been really on top of some of the protoss stuff (seeing Robotics Bay go up and predicting it a couple seconds in advance, noting Templar Archives, etc) but it seems odd that the Terran stuff seems to go unnoticed despite the fact that he apparently plays Terran now? Actually, I don't even know that its that often that he misses it, I think its just jarring that he missed the fusion core in all the games that it came into play since its like "OH hey BC's are out" - people expect you to note that, but so far he hasn't. All that said, his camerawork in the last two nights has been INCREDIBLY better than it was on the first night, so I have confidence he'll get it. | ||
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nOia.pod
Hungary263 Posts
-question -translation/answer/translation -aaaaaah, excellent, that is excellent -question -translation/answer/translation -aaaaaaah, nice, that is nice And you guys really should avoid those so overused terms you are using. I don't know if the Korean commentators do the same mistake, but it's just annoying to hear the same thing over and over again in a 10 minutes long game. There's even a thread somewhere with the exact same title here on TL. Edit: here | ||
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Vortok
United States830 Posts
On September 10 2010 10:01 Bill Murray wrote: I had to respond to this. I would like you to watch Idra's round 1 matches in the ro64 and tell me what you just said again. It completely proves you wrong. Artosis was talking about, in game 1m the strategy the terran could employ. He didn't in game one, but guess what, he did in game 2. Artosis predicted the player would be using ghosts to harass in TvZ via dropship etc which is extremely uncommon. That indicates he had "done his homework", what you're saying they don't do. I completely disagree with you. It could also simply be that Artosis visits TL, which has a ton of Idra fanboys, that actually had a thread posted about Idra's opponent for that game and that based off replays the guy seemed to heavily favor fast ghost drops. I saw that thread days before the game was broadcast. It's too easy to read too far into the situation one way or the other. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149915¤tpage=2 That thread has some comments about the guy favoring Ghost harass. The pair can make improvements, sure, but I kinda like their current "gamer charm." Their biggest audience isn't general public right now, it's a bunch of nerdy gamers who are generally gonna be more entertained by their antics than a cut and dry factual delivery of a more "professional" commentator. Learn the friggin' hotkeys, and keep telling random jokes. | ||
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Antedelerium
United States224 Posts
Those of you stating that they don't have the 'knowledge' of other casters, try and even do 1/10th of what they have done before you start saying they don't know what they are talking about. Those of you who don't like their inside jokes, just post on the GOM forums in some kind of feedback thread instead of whining about it here. Clearly experienced players have respect for the casters, so why should you question their abilities to cast a high level game? Make your suggestions and move on. For what it's worth, I find the two of them to be entertaining casters that have insightful comments that help me learn through watching while enjoying the game. Not every comment they make teaches me something, but what's so wrong with that? They make the games more fun to watch. | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On September 10 2010 14:08 motbob wrote: I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Tasteless is, and always has been, the consummate professional. + Show Spoiler + lolol@ that gif god damn i hope tasteless doesnt take this thread seriously at all and never changes. i really cant stand casters that try incredibly hard to be professional and analytical at every single moment of the cast. most of the time the analysis is common knowledge to most players anyways (esp. if you have over 1k games played total from beta and retail which many ppl do). this is supposed to be entertainment, not a lesson on sc2 strategy pro gaming must b srs bsns to the whiners in this thread | ||
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