EPTMLG Raleigh Ultimate Feedback Thread - Page 8
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ILIVEFORAIUR
United States173 Posts
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jamesr12
United States1549 Posts
Yeah the stream cut off the corners which although not a huge deal but was slightly anoying More player interviews would be great displaying the bracket between matches would be good casting the bigger games (I think this will be easier as the tour gets going and you have player rankings) jetty v nony or machine v inc, made the wrong choice there. It took me a bit to get the stream to work I had to come on TL to find out i had to press ctrl f5. things that were done well: the roating of commenators was good the interviews which were done were great followed the schedule you put out well once you got the stream working it was stable you got a lot of good players to come out I look forward to the next mlg event when and where is it? | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On August 29 2010 05:47 Iggyhopper wrote: Yeah imagine if you were in the same tournament as IdrA (only name I can think of), and you get matched up against him first round. You'd lose, but you know you can go way farther than first round. Double elimination makes every player fit or fall where they need to a lot better. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
1: Overlays to show anything. Brackets, player bio, anything. Brackets in general are what was needed most since gotfrags were terrible looking (at least the ones I saw) and the viewers shouldn't have to struggle to find a bracket. 2: The stream quality(HD)/cutting the edges. It has been pointed out a lot and I don't feel the need to type a lot about it, but obviously fixing it/improving it would be nice. 3: Filler between matches. Get some pre-recorded interviews before matches as often as possible to play later in the tournament at various times (obviously understand commercials are a requirement). Perhaps have a little instructional video on a particular strat, opinions about specific topics from players/casters to discuss, or the "ask the cast" thread type stuff. 4: More games. Logistically I understand the problems of finding games to cast while rounds of the tournament are being played at the same time, but perhaps delay half the bracket (or just a couple of matches) by 15 minutes to increase the likelihood of catching another match of a series in progress when the featured games finish. I wont even number my last point, but you should consider changing the map pool a bit. Not having scrap station punishes what few good zergs there are on top of the already problematic pool. All in all it was very good first the first MLG SC2 live event and I have faith that most of the problems will be ironed out by the next event. Congrats and best of luck. | ||
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Meekee
United States46 Posts
The downtime between matches is tedious and makes for really agonizing viewing in between matches. Having player interviews with the winner/loser about how the match went, what they were thinking, why they play the build they do, how they like different matchups, what they think about their opponent, who are the guys to beat, what do they think about playing amateurs, on and on etc. The map previews would also be good filler, as well as interviews with fans, admins, pretty much anyone at the venue to give us a feel for the atmosphere at the venue besides just the SC stuff. As far as the map previes I'd prefer to see an overview of the map with areas highlighted instead of the random zooming in, panning around that was kind of disorienting even as a person who knows the maps. I enjoyed moving between the different broadcasts and this is just an overall thing for the MLG streaming guys. It would be awesome if there were a little light that was red or green to see which events are currently showing gameplay so that I can watch some Halo or Tekken and then when SC lights back up I can click back over. I would really love the option for a true HD 720p stream as I have a connection which can support it and I like to put streams on my hdtv and watch in the living room, I understand that this has large implications that may be cost prohibitive, but something to keep an eye on I guess. I would love a the PIP on the broadcast to move from the players' faces to show the hands on mouse/keyboard during play. Having updated brackets shown frequently as well as just caster updates with results would be crucial. Having some kind of player bio before each match would be really nice as well. Even if it's just Name, where they're from, how long they've played starcraft, stupid stuff that let's us get to know them you know. From the MLG perspective I think you guys picked good casters, but it's clear they don't get much time to prep and everything is basically done on the fly with whatever knowledge they have already. HD and Husky are enthusiastic and I watch a lot of their stuff just b/c it's in good quality on Youtube and there's a soundtrack as opposed to me watching replays alone. Pro sports casters often spend quite a bit of time before any cast talking with players and learning interesting tidbits to talk about, general bios, who the biggest and best players are and what makes them good, etc. I think if during registration players had to fill out a more extensive bio so your casters could prep for it would be really beneficial. As well, in the early game it would really benefit them to have things to talk about besides a slow opening over and over. Talking about the other results at the tournament who is in what bracket etc would be a good use of that time. I find most of the really egregious mistakes the casters make come in that first few minutes of a match when they are forced to talk without much to talk about. Once the action starts going they can settle in and they play-by-play means you aren't speculating or saying ridiculous stuff. I did have technical issues with my screen at 1920x1200 getting clipped in fullscreen mode. I didn't experience any issues connecting or staying connected to the stream and it played stutter free except when I would do something else demanding of my connection. I personally am not a fan of the double elimination format b/c I think it's very confusing as a fan to keep up with where everyone is in the brackets. I like the group pool play that a lot of other tournaments seem to favor b/c once you get to final brackets it's just really easy to keep up with. I don't think a group pool forces you to change how amateurs and pro guys can both compete. I would like to see better games casted as we didn't see some top guys like Kiwikaki all the way until the finals and there are many other great games I would have liked to see that weren't casted. I know you can only show one at a time, but picking the best game possible wasn't always the case I think. I'm not sure if you do a poll or just let the casters pick who they want to do, but it's something to look at. I'd also like to recommend instead of playing say a whole losers bracket and then a whole winners to try and play each at the same time so there are always winners brackets playing with really top-notch games to cast and view. One last thing is just overall to tighten up the time between matches. I know guys need to get setup and stuff but it just seems like it takes an eternity from the end of one match to the start of another. If there is some way you can play games in a rolling fashion rather than all at once so that there is always action to broadcast while the next guys are setting up. I just want to say I loved the event and I'm hoping to make it to Dallas for the finals! | ||
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chekthehek
United States279 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:21 bmml wrote: Cannot help but agree. 10 dollars for MLG for a weekend vs 5 dollars for ESL TV for a month, ingame quality was about the same just one was 16;9, I guess that'll teach me for buying it when the site was going insane on the first day. Also a LOT of false advertising calling it "HD", its 480p I'm fairly sure that doesn't count. Also if you insist on making Husky cast (Chill/Incontrol and numerous others would have done a MUCH better job) you can at least make sure he isnt 3x as loud as anyone else, had to turn it off because his voice was so loud / abrasive even when nothing "exciting" was happening for all the whine about apollo in the IEM he did an amazing job in comparison. Also I know you cant really fix this but surely it isnt THAT hard to get gaming based sponsors. I mean jerky and those rancid hot pockets, christ seriously the ads made me wanna puke everytime they came on esspecially the hotpockets - god just because people play games doesn't mean they all eat such heinous food. Oh and the map previews you started doing made me motion sick, no need for all the zooming and whizzing about - it doesnt make it more interesting it just makes it more confusing / annoying. Double elimination is also a pretty poor format for an RTS, it just doesnt flow well enough and without constant updates you easily get lost in the torrent of games being thrown at you. if i had pictured you in real life, you would be a spoiled 10 year old kid in a suit asking his mom for something. | ||
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Toastmold
Canada207 Posts
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Alou
United States3748 Posts
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
1. The format. Double elimination is a bad format for both the players and the spectators (it's impossible to follow what's going on without constantly looking at the brackets). Having group stages followed by single elimination would be much better all round I think. 2. The players' setup. Between every match the spectators had to watch 10-20 minutes of ads or the commentators discussing things simply because the players had to set up again. Having the players seating be determined in such a way that this down time is decreased is a necessity. Changing the format to group stages would make this much easier. 3. The games shown. It is difficult to get excited about a tournament if all your favourites get knocked out in games that are not broadcast. With fewer players (I assume future tournaments will be 32 players), more games can be shown which might solve this problem. Another solution would be staggering the games, so that all 32 players don't play at the same time. This will allow you to show more games and fill up the down time. Also, once the tournament gets to the Ro16/8, you should try to show all the games. Spectators want to follow both the players and the tournament, but the MLG felt a bit more like a gaming showcase than a true sport. You got to see glimpses of the players and their games, but you had no way of following any player or team, which is crucial to building a fan following. 4. Keep the spectators updated. Once again, the large tournament and the double elimination format might be to blame for this, but you need to find a way to keep the spectators up to date with what is going on. Having some brackets integrated into the cast will make it much easier to see what exactly is going on. 5 The commentary. Day9 was awesome as usual, but I considered turning off the stream a few times when Husky and HD came on. They weren't bad, and I got more used to them as the stream carried on, but they are too loud and tend to make very bad calls. I did enjoy the casts they did with Day9, so perhaps having that as a more permanent arrangement would be good. 6. Interviews. You did a few interviews early on in the tournament, and they were very enjoyable. For some reason you stopped after the first few matches. Doing more should be easy considering that almost all the players are English. On the technical side: 7. The stream didn't work in Opera for me. 8. The stream was too dark on both days. 9. The edges of the screen were cut off in each broadcast. 10. The stream did something strange where it seemed to "reload" itself every once in a while. This reset the volume levels, without changing the volume settings, leading to the audio thundering through my apartment at 4am every few minutes. | ||
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Trap
United States395 Posts
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
Double elimination is a bad format for both the players and the spectators Great for the players bad for the spectators. | ||
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chekthehek
United States279 Posts
I had the stream muted in the background and it constantly un muted itself, so i could not just keep it in the background muted i had to close it completely. The stream would cut off in full screen as well. | ||
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Rokk
United States425 Posts
- The crowd. One of the biggest advantages of a live event is you have a live crowd watching. One of the best parts of the King of the Beta Hill and (to a lesser degree) the IEM tournament was hearing the crowd cheer and clap after big plays by the competitors. Hearing a live crowd makes the whole thing so much more exciting - more than just a commentator screaming as storms go off or something. On the same subject, you can probably afford to give them some chairs to sit in. I think I would have been pretty annoyed to just have been given open space as a live spectator, but I wasn't there so I can't really say much. - The casters. I like the idea of four rotating casters, but I've got to be honest and say that the casters were not equally skilled. This led to me wanting to listen to games cast by Day9 and you, JP, but avoiding the games cast only by HD and Husky. I know they're popular figures in the community, but I really feel they are less experienced than the other two casters. And I haven't seen much improvement in the two since beta days. HD really just needs to play more. - The tournament. I was watching off and on, and didn't really understand how the double elimination was working, but I had a lot of trouble figuring out how the brackets were working. I felt like I had to really go out of my way while watching to get a sense of the tournament. Maybe you as casters should talk about the brackets more and refresh the state of the tournament for the viewers. - The stream. The free stream was fine quality at it's normal resolution, but sucked full screen. I'm perfectly fine with that since it was free, but what I didn't appreciate was the forced wide-screen. It meant that I couldn't full screen because I was missing half the minimap, along with screen space on both ends. Please in the future allow for 4:3 full screens. And was there a reason for not being able to pause the stream? - The map pool. I don't have much to say about this except maybe it would be beneficial for you to get in touch with iCCup and other map makers to come up with custom map pools? I know SC2 is still in its infancy, but I feel like some of the custom maps are far and away better than the maps Blizzard has to offer. More of a suggestion/wish for the long term than for this specific tournament. Since my entire post has been criticisms, I wanted to say I thought as a whole the tournament was really well done. Good job JP and the entire MLG cast for an exciting tournament. I'm looking forward to more events by MLG as SC2 continues to grow as an esport. | ||
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brad drac
Ireland202 Posts
On August 29 2010 22:50 Senx wrote: Also, Fullscreen on stream STILL cuts off the screen so you only see about 70% of the screen. This really needs to be fixed. This. Very annoying when you have to chose between fullscreen or seeing the minimap at all. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On August 30 2010 02:49 Daigomi wrote: I would like to preface my criticisms by saying that I really enjoyed the tournament. I stayed up from 12AM to 6AM on the first day, and until 3 or so AM on the second day to watch the games live. That said, I think there are quite a few ways in which the MLG can improve: 1. The format. Double elimination is a bad format for both the players and the spectators (it's impossible to follow what's going on without constantly looking at the brackets). Having group stages followed by single elimination would be much better all round I think. 2. The players' setup. Between every match the spectators had to watch 10-20 minutes of ads or the commentators discussing things simply because the players had to set up again. Having the players seating be determined in such a way that this down time is decreased is a necessity. Changing the format to group stages would make this much easier. 3. The games shown. It is difficult to get excited about a tournament if all your favourites get knocked out in games that are not broadcast. With fewer players (I assume future tournaments will be 32 players), more games can be shown which might solve this problem. Another solution would be staggering the games, so that all 32 players don't play at the same time. This will allow you to show more games and fill up the down time. Also, once the tournament gets to the Ro16/8, you should try to show all the games. Spectators want to follow both the players and the tournament, but the MLG felt a bit more like a gaming showcase than a true sport. You got to see glimpses of the players and their games, but you had no way of following any player or team, which is crucial to building a fan following. 4. Keep the spectators updated. Once again, the large tournament and the double elimination format might be to blame for this, but you need to find a way to keep the spectators up to date with what is going on. Having some brackets integrated into the cast will make it much easier to see what exactly is going on. 5 The commentary. Day9 was awesome as usual, but I considered turning off the stream a few times when Husky and HD came on. They weren't bad, and I got more used to them as the stream carried on, but they are too loud and tend to make very bad calls. I did enjoy the casts they did with Day9, so perhaps having that as a more permanent arrangement would be good. 6. Interviews. You did a few interviews early on in the tournament, and they were very enjoyable. For some reason you stopped after the first few matches. Doing more should be easy considering that almost all the players are English. On the technical side: 7. The stream didn't work in Opera for me. 8. The stream was too dark on both days. 9. The edges of the screen were cut off in each broadcast. 10. The stream did something strange where it seemed to "reload" itself every once in a while. This reset the volume levels, without changing the volume settings, leading to the audio thundering through my apartment at 4am every few minutes. 1. I don't mind double elimination, i just would have liked to see the brackets at the event somewhere. We all had to rely on people with iphones to look them up 2. Everyone in each round was playing at the same time. When they are streaming machine vs incontrol and they finish before a few of the other people, they have to wait for them to be done before they can start the next round. Plus we were playing for hours and the players needed time for breaks and such. 3. I'm pretty sure everyone was complaining about how small it was and wants MORE players next time. MLG is not a small elite invite only tournament, they want to allow everyone a chance at competition and therefor must accomidate large numbers of players. If this means you can't watch every single one of Tyler's games, i'm sorry but maybe you should expand your interests a bit. 4. Agreed, brackets were too hard to find | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
1. There were quite a few breaks where the casters were waiting for the next game. These could/should be filled with interviews or maybe some game analysis of previous matches perhaps to keep the interest going. 2. Being a large organization with a large tournament I think it might be nice to actually use new maps. The ones in the current map pool do have some problems and seeing the game on different maps on a large scale might actually create new experiences for spectators. I know I enjoy the game more when iCCup does their fights on the BW remake maps, because I havent seen those a million times already. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
IEM/MSL/OSL etc are all single elimination and are very exciting as each match (in winner's) feels more important and the tournament is simpler to follow. Just do groups in the earlier stages, this allows players to lose but still advance if they do bad against a weak opponent. | ||
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Hens
Germany288 Posts
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ekaj
United States174 Posts
Stream was good as usual, time fillers will improve as the event grows if T6 is anything to go by. Good job dooders. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
working fullscreen plz <3 | ||
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