EPTIs SC2 Boring To Watch? - Page 15
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lacho_u
Bulgaria535 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 29 2010 17:29 dcemuser wrote: Yeah, this. I love the QQ though. We haven't seen enough Protoss! >Look at the MLG top 3 We haven't seen enough Zerg! >Look at the IEM top 4 If you count the top 4 of these last 2 tournaments you get: 3 Terran 3 Protoss 2 Zerg That's literally as balanced as it can possibly be. And what do you get if you count the Ro8's? you get 3 Zerg and 13 other races. | ||
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junkacc
99 Posts
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QuXn
Germany71 Posts
On August 29 2010 20:55 Shikyo wrote: And what do you get if you count the Ro8's? you get 3 Zerg and 13 other races. Imo, the problem is that only the TOP-zergplayers have a chance of competing with the "other races" (Dimaga and Idra, who are undisputed the best in the west^^). If u followd MLG, the only zerg that impressed my was slush. but when it came down to it, even he got knocked out, allthough he played really well. The field of players at MLG was MUCH weaker compared to ESL´s gamescom, thats why the matches were "boring". Btw, i missed the entertaining interviews (HAHA @TaKe´s english). Comparing the matchup diversity, at Gamescom it was mostly ZvTs all the way in the final rounds. At MLG, the casted mach-ups were almost exclusivly PvTs, except the top three matches. The strategy in all games was very similar. At Gamescom, it was mostlyl Reaper into expo vs z that wend roach/ling into muta/b-ling. At MLG i dont wanna here MMM or 4-Gate ever again... At both events the matchup diversity lacked severly. But Gamescom had more entertaining strats and better execution overall. We will see what happens in the upcomming GSL, were the top of the Best of the very TOP players are gonna be competing. The dimension of that event in itself will lead to a better and more fun viewer experience not to mention the crazy korean strategies that we will hopefully get to see. The casted matchups will definetly be much more diverse (hopefully even including ZvZs^^). Last but not least, with TASTELESS casting HOW could an event EVER be boring... Cheers and gl hf | ||
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
In BW did you complain to ALWAYS see mech opening vs protoss ? Did you complain about seeing mutalisk into lurker in TvZ ? I can see more diversity in actual SC2 than current BW. That doesn't meen BW is so boring to watch... | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:01 BrahminKing wrote: I personally dont find it boring. I came from Warcraft III and I'm very much used to seeing the same strategies used over and over again only with slight variances. Like for instance orc going bm/sh grunt/raider/spirit every match up every map. The entertainment value(at least for me) doesnt come down to the strategy used but how its utilized. Seeing how they use it and how other players react is enjoyable as there is always variances. There is no such thing as 2 perfectly identicle games. Same here. Allthough, just so people dont get twisted views of Wc3, there was a broad variety of strategies there as well. Just the BM/SH grunt/raider/sw was the most effective one. I just dont get all these hate against a specific strategy. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
qxc played terribly too. Disappointing. Reaper opening versus P doesn't work, qxc. I thought we established that in phase 1 of the beta. | ||
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Grond
599 Posts
On August 29 2010 20:23 Endorsed wrote: Morrow played brilliantly(game on blistering sands, almost flawless). Seriously, Idra made alot of mistakes. I think actually, that day. Morrow was the better player. I didn't see Idra make a lot of mistakes that game. His opponent's early game army was faster than his and mid-game army was stronger than his. The brief Window where he had the advantage after his Ultras popped he got hosed by bad pathing. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
On August 29 2010 20:55 Shikyo wrote: And what do you get if you count the Ro8's? you get 3 Zerg and 13 other races. You can't really compare players like idra and dimaga with Lastshadow, kiwi, huk and Sjow... These 2 Zergs are just way better players. We saw how well Z did in Raleigh, where you had very good Zerg-Players like Slush and Machine. But as soon as the Zerg-Players aren't absolute genius-gosus like IdrA, they won't stand a chance in those kind of tournaments. | ||
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Grond
599 Posts
On August 29 2010 20:42 Whalecore wrote: HuK vs Kiwikaki on Delta Quadrant + Show Spoiler + Awesome Phoenix play won HuK the game. Most of the Huk/Kiwikaki games were pretty exciting, I don't get why people think PvP is so boring. | ||
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Skcali
United States10 Posts
A little suspicious, I watch the replay, and am floored when halfway through I realize he doesn't keybind his army, and has a worker count of 20 on two bases. Its just insane how a player like that can be ~800 Diamond. Basically, the incredible potency of MMM can be achieved with pretty basic control (i.e. box, a-move, stim). | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
Play BW on some of the original Blizzard maps and it won't be as exciting either. | ||
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psion
106 Posts
On August 29 2010 23:39 Skcali wrote: I laddered against a mid-diamond T the other day, who really didn't put up a fight the entire game. My only goal that game was to outmacro him, and I did without a real challenge. Right after he gg's, he says something along the lines of, "I usually try to end it fast with an early MM push. My cpu is too bad to handle late game". A little suspicious, I watch the replay, and am floored when halfway through I realize he doesn't keybind his army, and has a worker count of 20 on two bases. Its just insane how a player like that can be ~800 Diamond. Basically, the incredible potency of MMM can be achieved with pretty basic control (i.e. box, a-move, stim). Not sure how this is very relevant to the thread, but what you describe is very common. I know of several Terran players that do absolutely nothing but MMM. They forget supply, they forget mules, they have a suboptimal build order... Essentially they play at gold level, but they average around mid diamond. It's.... depressing. | ||
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pechkin
158 Posts
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On August 29 2010 07:33 Headshot wrote: That was CatZ. And it failed horribly. Props to him for trying something new, though. :D woulda worked a lot better if i wasnt so nervous, i forgot my lair for a bit, if i had 10 more energy on those infestors when they ran in, i coulda killed all the scvs, instead i had to wait and he transfered more than half. its a fun strategy i came up with, either way Lz played great an won. Patch incoming soon and it looks good, its little changes that need to be done, that's all. MLG was AWESOME! | ||
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Grummy
Sweden70 Posts
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PanzerKing
United States483 Posts
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Scoop
Finland482 Posts
On August 29 2010 04:44 Rea-Rea wrote: How to beat a terran going MMM against protoss... Storm, collosi, stalkers, immortals. Storm is key. Add void rays and a mothership and you're good against it. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On August 29 2010 04:50 Ndugu wrote: Imho changing Vikings to 8+6 to light would allow Phoenixes to counter them for cost (well, assuming they have to fly over marines heads to shoot the vikings, not really, but it would still be good to try it). Yeah except that phoenix > vikings already. | ||
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diesirae
United States37 Posts
Once again, the problem is not that MMM is OP compared to the other races, it's that it's a boring build that also happens to be the most popular Terran build right now, and the situation will only get worse after the Siege Tank nerfs. Absolutely. Why must everything devolve into balance complaints and counter-complaints? Let's face it, my grandmother could MMM her way into diamond league and she has had all of her limbs amputated. This is not a balance complaint, I'm just saying it's absurdly easy to execute. If I wanted to see Terran bioballs all day, I would just play ladder. There's nothing fun about watching pros do it. | ||
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