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lacho_u
Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria535 Posts
August 29 2010 11:52 GMT
#281
agreed it's boring every single game is pretty much the same as the last one i've watch...
Power is nothing without control
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 29 2010 11:55 GMT
#282
On August 29 2010 17:29 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 17:21 Rokk wrote:
On August 29 2010 17:07 forgottendreams wrote:
I long for the beta days of seeing zergs competing in the top 4, the most recent tournaments have been filled in the semifinals/finals with either

A.TvT
B. PvP
C. Most games end up being short because of the cheese popularity emerging.

I think HuK really showed how to squash cheese, and really provided a look into probably an emerging popularity of use of fenixes to counter the 4gate and at least make PvP somewhat fun to watch.


Did you even watch the IEM series at GamesCom? No Protoss in the Ro8 and it was almost all TvZs through the finals.


Yeah, this. I love the QQ though.

We haven't seen enough Protoss!
>Look at the MLG top 3
We haven't seen enough Zerg!
>Look at the IEM top 4

If you count the top 4 of these last 2 tournaments you get:
3 Terran
3 Protoss
2 Zerg

That's literally as balanced as it can possibly be.

And what do you get if you count the Ro8's? you get 3 Zerg and 13 other races.
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junkacc
Profile Joined July 2010
99 Posts
August 29 2010 12:07 GMT
#283
I got warned the last time I spammed an MMM BALL MMM BALL post, but seriously, that's all I see... MMM BALL
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QuXn
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany71 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 12:33:47
August 29 2010 12:26 GMT
#284
On August 29 2010 20:55 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 17:29 dcemuser wrote:
On August 29 2010 17:21 Rokk wrote:
On August 29 2010 17:07 forgottendreams wrote:
I long for the beta days of seeing zergs competing in the top 4, the most recent tournaments have been filled in the semifinals/finals with either

A.TvT
B. PvP
C. Most games end up being short because of the cheese popularity emerging.

I think HuK really showed how to squash cheese, and really provided a look into probably an emerging popularity of use of fenixes to counter the 4gate and at least make PvP somewhat fun to watch.


Did you even watch the IEM series at GamesCom? No Protoss in the Ro8 and it was almost all TvZs through the finals.


Yeah, this. I love the QQ though.

We haven't seen enough Protoss!
>Look at the MLG top 3
We haven't seen enough Zerg!
>Look at the IEM top 4

If you count the top 4 of these last 2 tournaments you get:
3 Terran
3 Protoss
2 Zerg

That's literally as balanced as it can possibly be.

And what do you get if you count the Ro8's? you get 3 Zerg and 13 other races.



Imo, the problem is that only the TOP-zergplayers have a chance of competing with the "other races" (Dimaga and Idra, who are undisputed the best in the west^^). If u followd MLG, the only zerg that impressed my was slush. but when it came down to it, even he got knocked out, allthough he played really well.
The field of players at MLG was MUCH weaker compared to ESL´s gamescom, thats why the matches were "boring". Btw, i missed the entertaining interviews (HAHA @TaKe´s english). Comparing the matchup diversity, at Gamescom it was mostly ZvTs all the way in the final rounds. At MLG, the casted mach-ups were almost exclusivly PvTs, except the top three matches.
The strategy in all games was very similar. At Gamescom, it was mostlyl Reaper into expo vs z that wend roach/ling into muta/b-ling. At MLG i dont wanna here MMM or 4-Gate ever again...

At both events the matchup diversity lacked severly. But Gamescom had more entertaining strats and better execution overall.

We will see what happens in the upcomming GSL, were the top of the Best of the very TOP players are gonna be competing. The dimension of that event in itself will lead to a better and more fun viewer experience not to mention the crazy korean strategies that we will hopefully get to see. The casted matchups will definetly be much more diverse (hopefully even including ZvZs^^).

Last but not least, with TASTELESS casting HOW could an event EVER be boring...

Cheers and gl hf


Huk need use his penix. Penix imba! - oGs.MC
Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 12:30:26
August 29 2010 12:28 GMT
#285
... You're an angry troll for me.

In BW did you complain to ALWAYS see mech opening vs protoss ?
Did you complain about seeing mutalisk into lurker in TvZ ?

I can see more diversity in actual SC2 than current BW.
That doesn't meen BW is so boring to watch...
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
August 29 2010 12:29 GMT
#286
On August 29 2010 06:01 BrahminKing wrote:
I personally dont find it boring. I came from Warcraft III and I'm very much used to seeing the same strategies used over and over again only with slight variances. Like for instance orc going bm/sh grunt/raider/spirit every match up every map. The entertainment value(at least for me) doesnt come down to the strategy used but how its utilized. Seeing how they use it and how other players react is enjoyable as there is always variances. There is no such thing as 2 perfectly identicle games.


Same here. Allthough, just so people dont get twisted views of Wc3, there was a broad variety of strategies there as well. Just the BM/SH grunt/raider/sw was the most effective one.

I just dont get all these hate against a specific strategy.
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Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
August 29 2010 13:15 GMT
#287
The reason why it was boring is because the only good players were KiWiKaKi, Socke and HuK towards the later stages of the tournament and they were all P players. I'm not going to mention any particular names but god knows how some of the weaker players made it that far.

qxc played terribly too. Disappointing.
Reaper opening versus P doesn't work, qxc. I thought we established that in phase 1 of the beta.
Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
August 29 2010 13:27 GMT
#288
On August 29 2010 20:23 Endorsed wrote:
Morrow played brilliantly(game on blistering sands, almost flawless). Seriously, Idra made alot of mistakes. I think actually, that day. Morrow was the better player.


I didn't see Idra make a lot of mistakes that game. His opponent's early game army was faster than his and mid-game army was stronger than his. The brief Window where he had the advantage after his Ultras popped he got hosed by bad pathing.
kickinhead
Profile Joined December 2008
Switzerland2069 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-29 13:30:09
August 29 2010 13:28 GMT
#289
On August 29 2010 20:55 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 17:29 dcemuser wrote:
On August 29 2010 17:21 Rokk wrote:
On August 29 2010 17:07 forgottendreams wrote:
I long for the beta days of seeing zergs competing in the top 4, the most recent tournaments have been filled in the semifinals/finals with either

A.TvT
B. PvP
C. Most games end up being short because of the cheese popularity emerging.

I think HuK really showed how to squash cheese, and really provided a look into probably an emerging popularity of use of fenixes to counter the 4gate and at least make PvP somewhat fun to watch.


Did you even watch the IEM series at GamesCom? No Protoss in the Ro8 and it was almost all TvZs through the finals.


Yeah, this. I love the QQ though.

We haven't seen enough Protoss!
>Look at the MLG top 3
We haven't seen enough Zerg!
>Look at the IEM top 4

If you count the top 4 of these last 2 tournaments you get:
3 Terran
3 Protoss
2 Zerg

That's literally as balanced as it can possibly be.

And what do you get if you count the Ro8's? you get 3 Zerg and 13 other races.


You can't really compare players like idra and dimaga with Lastshadow, kiwi, huk and Sjow... These 2 Zergs are just way better players. We saw how well Z did in Raleigh, where you had very good Zerg-Players like Slush and Machine. But as soon as the Zerg-Players aren't absolute genius-gosus like IdrA, they won't stand a chance in those kind of tournaments.
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Grond
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
599 Posts
August 29 2010 13:33 GMT
#290
On August 29 2010 20:42 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 05:12 Inori wrote:
PvP is boring as hell, 4gate -> if survived colo spam -> win

HuK vs Kiwikaki on Delta Quadrant

+ Show Spoiler +
Awesome Phoenix play won HuK the game.



Most of the Huk/Kiwikaki games were pretty exciting, I don't get why people think PvP is so boring.
Skcali
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10 Posts
August 29 2010 14:39 GMT
#291
I laddered against a mid-diamond T the other day, who really didn't put up a fight the entire game. My only goal that game was to outmacro him, and I did without a real challenge. Right after he gg's, he says something along the lines of, "I usually try to end it fast with an early MM push. My cpu is too bad to handle late game".

A little suspicious, I watch the replay, and am floored when halfway through I realize he doesn't keybind his army, and has a worker count of 20 on two bases. Its just insane how a player like that can be ~800 Diamond.

Basically, the incredible potency of MMM can be achieved with pretty basic control (i.e. box, a-move, stim).
Adila
Profile Joined April 2010
United States874 Posts
August 29 2010 15:05 GMT
#292
It is "boring" because the maps aren't very good yet.

Play BW on some of the original Blizzard maps and it won't be as exciting either.
psion
Profile Joined May 2010
106 Posts
August 29 2010 15:18 GMT
#293
On August 29 2010 23:39 Skcali wrote:
I laddered against a mid-diamond T the other day, who really didn't put up a fight the entire game. My only goal that game was to outmacro him, and I did without a real challenge. Right after he gg's, he says something along the lines of, "I usually try to end it fast with an early MM push. My cpu is too bad to handle late game".

A little suspicious, I watch the replay, and am floored when halfway through I realize he doesn't keybind his army, and has a worker count of 20 on two bases. Its just insane how a player like that can be ~800 Diamond.

Basically, the incredible potency of MMM can be achieved with pretty basic control (i.e. box, a-move, stim).

Not sure how this is very relevant to the thread, but what you describe is very common. I know of several Terran players that do absolutely nothing but MMM. They forget supply, they forget mules, they have a suboptimal build order... Essentially they play at gold level, but they average around mid diamond. It's.... depressing.
pechkin
Profile Joined August 2010
158 Posts
August 29 2010 15:21 GMT
#294
It is boring because its same broodwar, but in 3d
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1238 Posts
August 29 2010 18:09 GMT
#295
On August 29 2010 07:33 Headshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2010 07:24 TurpinOS wrote:
1 base infestor rush by slush was so boring, same build as always.


Oh wait....

That was CatZ. And it failed horribly. Props to him for trying something new, though.


:D woulda worked a lot better if i wasnt so nervous, i forgot my lair for a bit, if i had 10 more energy on those infestors when they ran in, i coulda killed all the scvs, instead i had to wait and he transfered more than half. its a fun strategy i came up with, either way Lz played great an won.

Patch incoming soon and it looks good, its little changes that need to be done, that's all. MLG was AWESOME!
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Grummy
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden70 Posts
August 29 2010 18:57 GMT
#296
The tank nerf will only make more terrans go mmm
PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
August 29 2010 19:07 GMT
#297
I can't believe how many people complain about TvP MMM without even noting how incredibly awful Mech is against P (and Z too, now that anyone can do the magic box trick and eat your thors.)
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Scoop
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland482 Posts
August 29 2010 19:24 GMT
#298
On August 29 2010 04:44 Rea-Rea wrote:
How to beat a terran going MMM against protoss...

Storm, collosi, stalkers, immortals. Storm is key.


Add void rays and a mothership and you're good against it.
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
August 29 2010 19:38 GMT
#299
On August 29 2010 04:50 Ndugu wrote:

Imho changing Vikings to 8+6 to light would allow Phoenixes to counter them for cost (well, assuming they have to fly over marines heads to shoot the vikings, not really, but it would still be good to try it).


Yeah except that phoenix > vikings already.
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diesirae
Profile Joined August 2010
United States37 Posts
August 29 2010 19:45 GMT
#300

Once again, the problem is not that MMM is OP compared to the other races, it's that it's a boring build that also happens to be the most popular Terran build right now, and the situation will only get worse after the Siege Tank nerfs.


Absolutely. Why must everything devolve into balance complaints and counter-complaints?

Let's face it, my grandmother could MMM her way into diamond league and she has had all of her limbs amputated. This is not a balance complaint, I'm just saying it's absurdly easy to execute. If I wanted to see Terran bioballs all day, I would just play ladder. There's nothing fun about watching pros do it.
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