It aint over till it's over. Like what happend to bonifaceviii right above. What if you're wrong? Then you just look like a dick. If it really is hopeless for your opponent humor him. That's always pretty fun imo.

NuKedUFirst

Canada3139 Posts

August 28 2010 16:58 GMT

#104

I only do it when they have no chance and are just wasting my time. That and when they are BM

oxxo

988 Posts

August 28 2010 16:58 GMT

#105

I only 'offensively' GG if the person is a complete asshat. Especially if they're going all-in AND being an asshat.

On August 29 2010 01:44 Silkk wrote:
I do it all the time. I think it's bad manner to stay in a game you can't win. Wastes everyones time.

How do you know it's over though? You pretty much don't unless you're maphacking or seriously have the entire map.

OPSavioR

Sweden1465 Posts

August 28 2010 17:06 GMT

#106

On August 29 2010 01:23 bonifaceviii wrote:
A guy pre-emptively gg'd me when he was dropping in my main. Everything he dropped died within the next 10 seconds.

ROFL

Zexion

Sweden971 Posts

August 28 2010 17:11 GMT

#107

I don't really care. If they call gg early and win, then sure, they kinda deserved it. But I love when they call gg because they think they're winning and then they lose. Doesn't happen very often, but it happens.

Jimmeh

United Kingdom908 Posts

August 28 2010 17:11 GMT

#108

I think it's BM, but there are times it's acceptable.

Ever had a game when you're on 4 fully saturated bases and have an almost maxed army, compared to the opponent's one half-mining base and no army since you just wiped them out? I don't want to waste 5minutes of my life destroying all your buildings, if you don't GG when you've definetely lost then that's more BM than "offensive" GGing.

If I know I've won, and you're wasting my time being a BM idiot, then I'll BM back to you. Just GG and quit so I can play another game.

MaelstromIV

Canada28 Posts

August 28 2010 17:12 GMT

#109

"gg" means good game, no more, no less to me and I find it funny that people try to apply their own little customs on how and when they say it. I personally don't find it mannered when people say their "high five good lucks" because in the end it doesn't really mean jack. I personally don't type anything does that make me a bad mannered player? I find it more insulting that someone who types their string of g's l's h's and f's thinks that they're good mannered despite the fact they can't take the time to type full words.

Floophead_III

United States1832 Posts

August 28 2010 17:12 GMT

#110

I preemptively gg every time I scout a cheese. It really is demoralizing for my opponents. BM? Probably. But it helps me be confident in fighting it off.

Jimmeh

United Kingdom908 Posts

August 28 2010 17:14 GMT

#111

On August 29 2010 02:12 MaelstromIV wrote:
I personally don't find it mannered when people say their "high five good lucks".

Are you being serious?

febreze

167 Posts

August 28 2010 17:26 GMT

#112

When SC1 just came out, saying GG at the end of a match was the norm. It was only in the last few years that it took on the new meaning of "I concede". Personally, I was in a situation where I felt that I could be eliminated at any moment so I said GG since it was a well played game, it would be a shame to miss the opportunity to say it. My opponent however took it as a sign of concession and literally stopped playing.

The thing about starcraft is that information is rarely absolute, and there is always a chance for a comeback. Back in the day, you always play to the end until your opponent is eliminated or has left the game. I've never expected someone to leave due to an in game chat message. In that match, I did end up leaving because I didn't want to spoil the mood. Its the matching of wits, not the victory message that draws to the game.

Anyways, philosophically, I disagree with many of the new social conventions that was come about in SC2. Calling proxy'ing and rushing as "cheese" and bad manner is just a means to restrict types of play through meta gaming.

At the moment I'm picking and choosing which moores that I agree with and adhere to, but in the end, old habits die hard. In my book, everything is fair as long as the game mechanics allows. Play the game accord to your own moral compass and don't let other dictate whats BM or not.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

August 28 2010 17:39 GMT

#113

I personally feel offensive GGs are probably the worst kind of BM. There is absolutely nothing as frustrating as playing a genuinely long and good game then having your opponent (who's winning/won) just basically say "hahaha noob, I win."

Losing's part of the game, but no one likes having it thrusted into their face. It only makes it worse if it was genuinely a good game.

Mastermind

Canada7096 Posts

August 28 2010 17:52 GMT

#114

This is extremely bm. The only acceptable time to do this is if your opponent was being bm before hand.

Chronocide

United States126 Posts

August 28 2010 17:54 GMT

#115

If it's clear that I've lost the game and my opp says GG before me, I will usually alt tab or get up from my chair and go do something else without quitting. If I'm playing 2s my terran ally will generally fly his buildings around. I find to be very BM.

Darkn3ss

United States717 Posts

August 28 2010 17:57 GMT

#116

Ha! I flame pretty hard if they GG for me... -.-

Then ask for a rematch. If I happen to lose the rematch I just ragequit!!!

No point of being nice to a dickhead who just thinks he's the shit.

danbel1005

United States1319 Posts

August 28 2010 17:58 GMT

#117

I dont care too much about it, in fact i do understand some kids out there just have a bad "GG Timing", see Idra sometimes takes 2 to 3 weeks to GG in his games.^^

zoltanqc

Canada171 Posts

August 28 2010 18:16 GMT

#118

In games with no time limits its BM but I think its ok to say GG before your opponent a couple seconds before the timer ends

EliteAzn

United States661 Posts

August 28 2010 18:16 GMT

#119

For me, I do not like it (learned the hard way aka getting yelled at for doing it innocently once during beta...didn't play bw that competitively aka playing a lot of iccup). Anyways, yeah it is considered bm for doing it, no doubt unless u spell it out (can go either way I guess, I give the benefit of the doubt).

As for XvX, where X>1, I'll "pre-emp" gg when one of the opponents leave because the game is pretty much over. My excuse is because the opponent raged quit. If his/her partner was a random, oh well, not my problem/tough luck. I will never pre-emp gg when the opponent leaves in the middle because there is still a reasonable chance for the partner to win, who knows.

As for a funny opponent pre-emp gg, it was a 2v2 map (that sandy map going North/South ,gold exps in mid, common area between partners in expo area) and the opponents that my friend and I were playing were these 2 turtling idiots. My friend was half-ass harassing with burying roaches, moving in and out one guy's base (yeah, that's how bad they were). Anyways, I basically expanded all over the map, gateways everywhere at each base and such. So I decided to attack this other terran's 1 and only expo outside his nat (located at right side of map...I took the entire left and he didn't even really scout it). So I'm caught off gaurd because I knew these guys were jokes, and after he destroys my split up army and 2/3 of my partner's army after suffering heavy losses, he ggs me lol. I thought he was joking or he was saying it because he knew we out macro'ed the crap out of his team and I was asking him....but nope, he really meant it. He makes it up to our nat....and meets a my partner and I's fully replenished army....yeah he and his partner the got steamrolled easily.

Lesson: don't say stupid pre-emp ggs only after 1 fight that was right outside your nat after turtling for 20 min...(I don't have the replay sadly...)