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Poll: How bad is a pre-emptive GG?You should NEVER do it (885) 80% Depends on situation (128) 12% I don't care either way (47) 4% Completely acceptable (42) 4% 1102 total votes Your vote: How bad is a pre-emptive GG? (Vote): You should NEVER do it
(Vote): Completely acceptable
(Vote): I don't care either way
(Vote): Depends on situation
I'd like to know what the general consensus on premature GGs.
Usually, I hate it when my opponent gets the SLIGHTEST advantage and calls GG immediately, assuming I'm going to give up. In fact, on occation that slap in the face serves as a wake up call and I end up pulling out with the win.
But I've noticed sometimes I GG prematurely as well. Generally, if I thought it was a good game, I'll GG when I believe it is impossible for them to come back, i.e., when I've killed their standing army and am in the process of destroying their last base.
Another factor you have to consider is how many people quit the game without saying GG. I'm guilty of GGing prematurely because I thought they were on the verge of leaving without a word.
What do you guys think? Is a premature GG bad mannered all the time?
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It's BM. I never say gg unless they say it, or unless I'm the one that lost
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Roffles
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It's pretty BM to premature GG, but if your opponent's been a dick all game or even pulled out his own premature GG, it's only justice to GG back at him if you make a comeback.
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I don't gg when people preemptive gg. I'll just leave because I see it as arrogance.
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Its only ok if I make a epic comeback and kick his sorry offensive-GGing ass for the BM :D
WHICH I DID
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I do it all the time but in the literal sense (I have to explain it all the time) good game, as in its been an amazing game vs them and it has been a real challenge and it was fun.
EDIT: I premature GG when Im loosing too explaining how fun it was but how its not over yet.
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It's pretty BM, so yeah never do it. It's just shows that you are a dick
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If you've beaten them and they're being a dick by not leaving and microing their 2 probes + 1 near dead unit just to be annoying. Totally acceptable given the circumstance.
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although i voted you should never do it . There are some rare times you probably should lol. Its definitely 100% bm though.
I think there has been a thread on this already
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Didn't Chill and DjWheat talk about this exact same thing on the last episode of weapon of choice?
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On August 28 2010 15:51 Roffles wrote:
It's pretty BM to premature GG, but if your opponent's been a dick all game or even pulled out his own premature GG, it's only justice to GG back at him if you make a comeback.
this, if he cheesed you with some proxy or something, just gg cheeser and see him ragequit ^^
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I only do it when my opponent gives a failed pre-emptive GG earlier in the game. Oh and you gotta throw in the smiley, it makes all the difference.
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I never GG my opponent when I win unless he GG's first. It's rude.
Speaking of premature GG, I've played like 10 random team games now where my teammates have all completely GG'ed out and I continued playing, only to win it for our team. It's so annoying, but feels pretty epic to beat out teams 2v1, 3v1, or 4v1.
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I always used to do it (pre-mature gg'ing) back in Warcraft 3 because I learned from friends there (in the first major RTS game that I played) that it was polite to gg as the game was finishing. So, when people didn't gg back, it always seemed rude to me.
...Of course, after hanging around TL for a year or two, that viewpoint has completely changed, and I never, ever premature gg... Just thought I'd comment though - when somebody tosses out a premature gg at you, they may not be BMing you =/ It might just be their own understanding of how gg-ing "works".
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pretty much just if the opponent is an asshole, or maybe if theyre staying in the game for no reason (buildings floating around and shit.) pisses me off so much when people offensively gg me. half the time it's right when i would've said it myself.
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I hate it when people offensive GG me, but I love it when I beat them after it. Offensive GG is bad manners, no matter what way you spin it, you look like a tool after.
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if by gg you mean
"winner is determined" kinda gg then ya I see why people get mad
but the real meaning of gg is "good game".
I should be able to call that ANY POINT in time
Still its pretty dumb to get mad over something like "I win".
People are just so sensitive on SC.
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I never do it and you shouldn't but if the person is already being a huge dick and you do it after that then doesn't really matter. Normally I ignore bm (like today 1000 diamond insulting me for playing the easy race when I beat him so I just didn't say anything) but if the guy offensive gg's and I call him on it and he's not apologetic then that's the time when I feel the urge to lift and tab lol
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i do it when i completely shut down cheese. if i come out of being contained with cannons by using a nydus to flood their base with lings or use a scouting drone to build a proxy hatch or something like that, then i preemptively gg. sometimes a little bm is necessary to put some cheesy idiot in his place =P
don't get me wrong, i try to be mannered as much as possible. gggl at the start of every game and gg when i lose games, but sometimes when players get a little too stupid and zerg just feels a little too weak... manners come second to making it clear to the opponent how awful he is at the game.
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when ppl say gg to me before the game has started i assume they mean that they already have the game in the bag and it pisses me off to hell
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It's obviously not polite. I wouldn't do it. But if someone does it to me, I'm not gonna get mad. I really don't care.
And if you just want to say it's a good game, why not write out "this was a good game"? gg means something completely different, ironically enough.
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On August 28 2010 16:08 onewingedmoogle wrote:
when ppl say gg to me before the game has started i assume they mean that they already have the game in the bag and it pisses me off to hell
I think people pretty much never mean this...
gl hf gg all basically mean the same thing before the game
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I GG before my opponents on the ladder often because of how late some gg's occur. I never mean it as an insult, but when I have a sinking suspicion they're not gonna' gg or the game is going to end very shortly (and i mean like, I'm in their base and they have no army) then I do it as a slight nudge for them to leave, but also I usually mean it (well, as much as you can in a random game).
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On August 28 2010 16:04 micronesia wrote:
I never do it and you shouldn't but if the person is already being a huge dick and you do it after that then doesn't really matter. Normally I ignore bm (like today 1000 diamond insulting me for playing the easy race when I beat him so I just didn't say anything) but if the guy offensive gg's and I call him on it and he's not apologetic then that's the time when I feel the urge to lift and tab lol
Yeah same for me, if I am playing terran and someone offensive ggs me I lift and float my buildings ^^
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Personally I never GG when I believe im going to win, or am winning. I'll let them say it first and then reply  But typically I don't have time to gg after they do, as it's always gg, leave game immediately. And I feel a bit bad that I didn't give them the gg back in time 
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Yeah some people think it's normal and being mannered. I told this guy to STFU for being an arrogant noob, and he's like CHILL DUDE I WAS TRYING TO BE NICE. Then I figured he didn't know it was BM, so I just said well played and left. But if they do know, and they're like, you lost noob, just leave already. I stall the game out as long as possible then leave. I HATE people that do that, I rather lose to a 6 pool.
On August 28 2010 16:08 onewingedmoogle wrote:
when ppl say gg to me before the game has started i assume they mean that they already have the game in the bag and it pisses me off to hell
lol that's actually a way of saying good luck... a lot of progamers and people do it
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On August 28 2010 16:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I GG before my opponents on the ladder often because of how late some gg's occur. I never mean it as an insult, but when I have a sinking suspicion they're not gonna' gg or the game is going to end very shortly (and i mean like, I'm in their base and they have no army) then I do it as a slight nudge for them to leave, but also I usually mean it (well, as much as you can in a random game).
People are going to take that the wrong way for sure.... it sounds like you mean:
"haha you suck now say gg and get out you noob"
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its like doing your lass and prematuring all over her.... she wouldnt like it...
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I get more annoyed by people not GGing out when they have definitely lost. Making someone chew through your buildings is just rude. I've been 'offensive' GG'd twice. Once the game was really over and I was just being an ass trying to warpgate my way out of a loss, and left. The other I was still in it and fought until the last. Even then I wasnt really offended by it.
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Oh you mean offensive GG. I thought you just mean leaving when the game wasn't really decided yet.
Yeah offensive gg is like one of the most bm things ever, makes me want to ... never mind
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It's generally BM in my opinion. On the other hand, down here in the bronze leagues you'll get a metric crapton of people who just REFUSE to gg until you've completely wiped out their main and found where they've set up shop with their 4 remaining harvesters. On those occasions I'm REALLY tempted to gg for them.
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It's so BM. I get so bothered by it and im not really sure why actually. Thank god it is very rare though. :/
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bm in every situation, should only EVER be said by the loser.
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Yea I do this when the other person has no workers and no chance of coming back but doesnt leave for some reason while I'm killing his buildings. Saying gg in this situation usually gets them to leave. Dunno if its because it pisses them off or because they wanted to hear that it was a good game, but killing buildings with nothing defending them or being produced is boring and I think its pretty bm to sit around in a game you have 0% chance to win without your opponent disconnecting (unless they want to chat or something at the end, which is fine).
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It's only GG if it's a good game.
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On August 28 2010 16:10 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 16:08 onewingedmoogle wrote:
when ppl say gg to me before the game has started i assume they mean that they already have the game in the bag and it pisses me off to hell I think people pretty much never mean this... gl hf gg all basically mean the same thing before the game Back when I first played BW on the net(something like 2001 or 2002) the guy teaching me how to play convinced me that a gg at the opening of the game means he is looking down on you.
On the flip side, I'm aware that it's nowadays considered a greeting just like gl and hf but it's interesting how times and trends can change.
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I'm pretty guilty of offensive GGs, but usually I only do them when they do shit like fly a cc around after they've clearly lost, or something similarly annoying.
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On August 28 2010 15:48 Supafly wrote:
What do you guys think? Is a premature GG bad mannered all the time?
Yeah, whenever it happens I think of it as a BM "dick move".
Some people know it's a dick move too, one Protoss dropped pylons in front of my base Tester style, dropped a few cannons behind it, and typed "gg" at that point.
Once that happens I start doing everything I can to be a dick back. If I think I'm going to lose to someone who does that, I just spawn a shit load of drones and save up minerals and burrow the bastards all over the place. That way I can keep the game going for as long as possible dropping extractors randomly.
On August 28 2010 16:37 BROverlord wrote:
I'm pretty guilty of offensive GGs, but usually I only do them when they do shit like fly a cc around after they've clearly lost, or something similarly annoying.
Doing the offensive GG is exactly why players WOULD do something like fly a CC around after they have lost, lol.
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On August 28 2010 16:40 Spyridon wrote:
Doing the offensive GG is exactly why players WOULD do something like fly a CC around after they have lost, lol.
Haha, well I usually only do it if
a) they were a dick
or
b) they just refuse to leave even though it's clearly over.
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Never offensive GG
unless they have just floated all their buildings to the corner of the map.
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On August 28 2010 16:11 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 16:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I GG before my opponents on the ladder often because of how late some gg's occur. I never mean it as an insult, but when I have a sinking suspicion they're not gonna' gg or the game is going to end very shortly (and i mean like, I'm in their base and they have no army) then I do it as a slight nudge for them to leave, but also I usually mean it (well, as much as you can in a random game). People are going to take that the wrong way for sure.... it sounds like you mean: "haha you suck now say gg and get out you noob"
I'm aware how some people perceive it, but I figure with how late I gg they're either not going to say it or they're basically being BM anyways for not gg'ing early. It's not like once I think the game is mine I type it out. More often than not an opponent will leave or they'll do a gg, but I should say that I do it whereas in BW I never felt I had to.
edit: I also will once again reiterate a point that the SC community really needs thicker skin about these to the point that it shouldn't even be talked about. Too much time watching the korean scene (which I am obviously guilty of as well) has led us to think anything typed other than gg, gl, hf is basically bm.
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I once got pre-gg'd by someone and came back. Well... he said "you can gg whenever you want" about 20 minutes later i survived a huge fight (my marine viking vs. his viking battlecruiser) with only 6 marines left. I used that small victory to get a force of about 20 marines to end a 45 minute game. The guy then said "you're a joke bro" and "I had this game easy" before leaving.
I've seen him posting on TL forums too but I dont care enough to call him out or anything.
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I only offensive GG when it's OVER and they won't leave. But that's not premature, it's saying quit wasting our time.
However, there is nothing better than a premature offensive GG against me. That just fires me up so much, and I don't say anything until my own offensive "gg" at the end.
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In a game like SC, i'd say no. However, in games like DotA and what not, its actually quite neutral near the end of the game, since its very obviously who's going to lose/win. In fact, i kind of take it as good mannered when people take the time to say GG while they're destroying the final remnants of my base, since i'm always under the assumption that my opponents (and sometimes teammates) in such games are complete trolls.
Just a thought
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On August 28 2010 16:18 Apollys wrote:
Oh you mean offensive GG. I thought you just mean leaving when the game wasn't really decided yet.
Yeah offensive gg is like one of the most bm things ever, makes me want to ... never mind
Why get so heated about it? Either you've really already lost and are being a bit of a dick for dragging the game out. Or the guy is off his rocker and you're planning a comeback. Either way there's no need to get upset about it.
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Never prematurely gg. If It looks like its totally lights out and it really was a good game, say "wp" or something other than "gg". Maybe even expand and commend him on something he did, what made the game so good. If you roll into his base all high and mighty and you come and say "gg" it comes off as arrogance.
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Thats just the most BM someone can ever get on me.
I don't care for anything else, call me names, block my expansions with pylons and barracks for all I care. But you don't GG until the opponent has forfeited. It really gets my blood boiling.
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Well it's always bad mannered, but some faggots deserve it imo.
I had a protoss on caverns proxy 4gates, hide a pylon in my main; I fought off his units while taking down the pylon, and then counter attacked him. He makes cannons while stalling with sentry, so I sit back and macro up, securing my nat. He starts attacking me with dts so I pull all my units back to my base and fend off the dts with my new units/turrets. My raven came out not long later since I sort of anticipated dt, and then I make a banshee to scout/harass with. It scouts that he proxied 4 more gates and his dt tech rofl. So I kill that shit and attack again, with a fairly large army. So he's still stuck in his main, and makes a bunch of pylons and cannons, with like 8 sentry constantly making fields on his ramp. So I say "can you please just leave" which is basically same thing as offensive gg imo. I feel I was 100% justified in this situation ~~
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Offensive "GG" is so fucking bad manner. If your opponent hasn't wronged you in any way, there's no excuse for offensive GG. Even if you're that kid on the first page who likes to "tell his opponents that its been a good game" regardless of who wins... For one, don't just say "GG" and expect them to magically know that you're one of those guys that likes to take a break and comment on how stellar you think their play is. You should be focusing all your attention and energy on defeating your opponent until that GG comes out. hence, dont fucking offensive "GG." just end the game.
However, after you've been BM'd or they're hiding buildings with no chance of comeback, i suppose it's okay as your opponent really opened the door by not quitting after you buttfuck them.
On August 28 2010 16:56 Iscariott wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 16:18 Apollys wrote:
Oh you mean offensive GG. I thought you just mean leaving when the game wasn't really decided yet.
Yeah offensive gg is like one of the most bm things ever, makes me want to ... never mind Why get so heated about it? Either you've really already lost and are being a bit of a dick for dragging the game out. Or the guy is off his rocker and you're planning a comeback. Either way there's no need to get upset about it.
No. It's up to the loser to leave the game. If he wants to stay as you take 4 bases and a-move BCs through his base, well fuck him, but offensive GG is one of the best things to get upset about in this game. A lot moreso than terran.
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On August 28 2010 17:09 Ry-Masta-T wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 16:56 Iscariott wrote:On August 28 2010 16:18 Apollys wrote:
Oh you mean offensive GG. I thought you just mean leaving when the game wasn't really decided yet.
Yeah offensive gg is like one of the most bm things ever, makes me want to ... never mind Why get so heated about it? Either you've really already lost and are being a bit of a dick for dragging the game out. Or the guy is off his rocker and you're planning a comeback. Either way there's no need to get upset about it. No. It's up to the loser to leave the game. If he wants to stay as you take 4 bases and a-move BCs through his base, well fuck him, but offensive GG is one of the best things to get upset about in this game. A lot moreso than terran.
I want to point that this is terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. If it is 100% clearly over and all you're doing is wasting your opponents time, then you're the asshole, not the person who says GG.
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On August 28 2010 16:53 leve15 wrote:I only offensive GG when it's OVER and they won't leave. But that's not premature, it's saying quit wasting our time. However, there is nothing better than a premature offensive GG against me. That just fires me up so much, and I don't say anything until my own offensive "gg" at the end.
Yea, but you dont know if it's over, i've had plenty of custom games where after killing my main base, my opponent says "you lost" then leaves the game, when infact i had a huge army about to engage him for one last fight.
Just never GG if you're winning.
Also, i've had a game once where i GG'ed (i was losing) and the other guy goes "you're a faggot" then he leaves
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I think 'offensive' gg is fine, in the unusual case where you're about to destroy the bad guy's last lousy building and you feel the need to say it before the game ends from natural causes anyways. Offensive gg as a way of pleading with the bad guy to quit is just obnoxious.
Of course if you're killing the last base because the bad guy was bm and refusing to leave (rather than because it was a close base-trade type game, or the bad guy was too noob to surrender), you might feel disinclined to give out a gg.
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Jaedong vs Flash Game 3 MSL Hana Daetoo
Flash is basically doing it when he sieges the ramp vs jaedong. Takes his hands off keyboard, lowers head.
PS- In bw, in a lagless game there is this slight delay the moment a player is about to leave the game. I was always pretty clutch about slipping in the gg before they left the game.
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Wouldn't talking shit to the person you are beating when they GG first be considered worst?
Say I am getting my ass kicked and I GG, and he says NOT REALLY SCRUB... For some reason I am always paranoid about this and dont want to give assholes a chance to do it, so I just quit without saying anything... or if I GG I quit out of the game as fast as possible...
As soon as I learned that we were all so offended by offensive GG's I stopped doing it, I used to do it when I was in the middle of their base with said 20 bc's (just to give an example, I don't even play as terran) finishing off his buildings. But I did this due to my stupid fear of people BM'ing me... as much as I tell myself people who talk shit when I lose don't but me, they really do hahaha. So I kind of figured I was doing the guy a favor by being like "hey man, sure I kicked your ass and got 20 bc's in your base, but still good game" and didn't see it as a "haha GG FAG U SUX!"
I think if there are offensive GG's being thrown out, most people using them don't realize how BM it is, and think they are being friendly by saying it, when in reality they are being a-holes and not even realizing it. When I BM someone who cheesed me, or is trying to drag the game out with pylons etc. I will talk trash to them, not just say "gg" (now that I think of it, I wonder how many people back then in beta were doing this to me because of the offensive gg?! awww.)
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oops triple post wtf is wrong with me
How do you delete post v.v
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On August 28 2010 15:48 Supafly wrote:
I'm guilty of GGing prematurely because I thought they were on the verge of leaving without a word.
Thats a ridiculous rationalization to constitute bm.
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Always depends on the situation. Most situations won't warrant it, but if an opponent has been super BM and you manage to get a hold of the win I don't see anything wrong with the good ol' Offensive GG.
gg
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I would never "Premature GG" because first of all it's bad manner in my eyes. And if you GG because they lift all their buildings or are reluctant to leave, they are even less likely to leave. The only time I have ever GGed before my opponent when winning is when one guy was pissing me off by flaming me at the start of the game, so pretty much just to piss him off. ^_^
But seriously, be a good sport and just wait for your opponent to GG, trying to teach a stranger when to quit online is generally not a good idea.
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I think I will start GG'ing as soon as the game starts, then just apologize and explain that I'm always premature... (MEANING I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM WITH MY GIRLFRIEND, GET IT?)
Anyways, am I the only one who feels like blizz. made the computer to be super BM? for some reason when I play coop it sometimes starts building expansions all over the map after destroying all its stuff... why the hell does it BM then, and not when I proxy reaper rush it?! (maybe something to do with coop as opposed to 1v1?)
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Omg some of you people are so thin skinned, caring about some silly timing of a GG over a game, on the internet! I find it really alien that people can get angry over something so trivial.
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On August 28 2010 17:57 JudoChopper wrote:
Omg some of you people are so thin skinned, caring about some silly timing of a GG over a game, on the internet! I find it really alien that people can get angry over something so trivial.
It's like... you know when the tank can't hold aggro in WoW. You would probably know about that.
Offensive GGs make me want to rip off my arm.
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After being a victim of mass teabaggings in Halo, and general corpse abuse [gawd I hate kill-cams] in console and pc fps', seeing the occasional pre-emptive gg doesn't really bother me.
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On August 28 2010 17:57 JudoChopper wrote:
Omg some of you people are so thin skinned, caring about some silly timing of a GG over a game, on the internet! I find it really alien that people can get angry over something so trivial.
Hey, if premature ejaculation can be annoying, then why can't premature GGing?
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I think a premature GG is even worse then quitting without GG. Sure both are BM, but u can not GG to somebody who knows that he already lost... u can not be so cruel and disrespecting to your opponent... Sorry but I hate those guys!
Does the team that is ahead on the battlefield wave its white flag first to show might? NO!
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Alot of people coming from other games that are relatively new new to sc really dont get what its like to fucking play your heart out in a game only to lose. You're kicking yourself for letting your macro slip 30 minutes in and you have some fucking Halo 17 year old giving you shit like "gg" "leave bro" "u mad?"
More than anything I think offensive GGing is just a really easy way to goad people after you beat them. Dont.
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On August 28 2010 16:08 universalwill wrote:
i do it when i completely shut down cheese. if i come out of being contained with cannons by using a nydus to flood their base with lings or use a scouting drone to build a proxy hatch or something like that, then i preemptively gg. sometimes a little bm is necessary to put some cheesy idiot in his place =P
don't get me wrong, i try to be mannered as much as possible. gggl at the start of every game and gg when i lose games, but sometimes when players get a little too stupid and zerg just feels a little too weak... manners come second to making it clear to the opponent how awful he is at the game.
I pretty much do the same.
Cheesers are like a plague imo.
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I think it's justified when the opponent is stretching the game out.
Particularly Terrans will just sit on one base for 10 minutes when they have absolutely no chance of coming back.
I consider that more bad mannered than saying GG to your opponent when you're miles ahead.
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On August 28 2010 19:03 Klive5ive wrote:
I think it's justified when the opponent is stretching the game out.
Particularly Terrans will just sit on one base for 10 minutes when they have absolutely no chance of coming back.
I consider that more bad mannered than saying GG to your opponent when you're miles ahead.
Really? I just consider that a challenge/obstacle to overcome and its seems natural to me for Terrans to turtle up whenever possible.
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It's a problem of definition.
By definition, premature signifies too early, so premature GG is by definition never a good choice.
But sometimes good Starcraft players like chess players can see 6-7 moves in advance, thus can sometimes figure out that they don't stand a chance before losing their main army.
This wouldn't be premature GG for them, just normal GG after guessing that they will lose.
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I have said it before but only in FFAs. A couple have games have been clearly over, I was on 9-10 bases and he was just sitting on 1 island trying to harass me and make me leave.
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It's never the place of the winner or perceived winner to issue the GG.
It's the preserve of the loser. It's actually really quite rude, I think, for the ascendant player to do it.
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I actually call people out about it after they do this. It particularly bugs me... It's horrible manners.
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When I got the advantage, I never say "GG" coz it's bm taunting imho.
When I prematurely say "GG" in what appears a disadvantage situation for me, I quit without hesitation because calling out the GG, usually drops your opponent's concentration and I don't want to turn around the game coz he stopped microing or whatever.
Winning isn't everything for me. I'd like to improve my own skills, rather then my win-ratio. Simple as that.
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Guys.
A premature gg is not the same as an offensive one.
GG'ing prematurely means to give up when you still have some chances left. I do that a lot.
You're talking about offensive gg'ing.
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I do it when people refuse to leave after clearly losing already.
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Offensive GG is nerd-speak for "Yes, I would enjoy spending the next seven minutes teching to air and playing a rousing game of 'Find the Command Center'".
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Its usually bm, but I give a premature gg if my opponent is on his last base and mined out and his army consists of the drones next to a mined out geyser.
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Offensive GG is totally bad mannered, and I agree with others who suggest that the moron typing the offensive GG really means that they want to have to waste the next 10 minutes of their life chasing my ninjabuildings around the map.
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I GG only when I see I'm losing.
then again I had 2-3 games where I GGed and after that actually managed to give a good fight and perhaps even win
Anyway - assuming defeat too early is always bad idea 
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I will offensive gg if my opponent is doing something retarted like making me kill off all his buildings, or if theres absolutely no chance of coming back like... 3 base vs 1 base and no scvs lol
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I encourage BM people to do it more often. Nothing's more hilarious when somebody writes GG and then gets roflstomped because u have 2 hidden expos and are currently stomping all he has with nydus worms. lmao
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I Premature GG if im playing against a BM asshole. LIke the other day I was play a T that though if his CC was alive the game wasnt over yet. So he had 3 CC no SCVs and was floating and landing all over the map. I think anyone would be like GG leave the game and stop being BM when the game should have been over with 10mins ago.
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On August 28 2010 16:16 TheMick wrote:
its like doing your lass and prematuring all over her.... she wouldnt like it...
Lol
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On August 28 2010 15:56 backtoback wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 15:51 Roffles wrote:
It's pretty BM to premature GG, but if your opponent's been a dick all game or even pulled out his own premature GG, it's only justice to GG back at him if you make a comeback. this, if he cheesed you with some proxy or something, just gg cheeser and see him ragequit ^^
What? The post you're apparently agreeing with said if they were being a dick whereas you think it's acceptable to do if they do any strategy you don't like. I don't see how failed cheese merits bm treatment, if anything you should be grateful that they tried something so easy to stop.
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An offensive gg is only ok if your opponent does it first when he is about to win, but grows overconfident and lets you make the comeback.
Any other time it's probably the most BM thing you can do. Even if the guy is BM and lifting his buildings off all over the place etc. you should never do it.
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dunno i dont do it but if someone is being retarded like building defense in their last remaining base when i have 3 bases and an army i just type "you can still win"
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The only thing that really annoys me in SC2 is when someone offensive GGs. It's BM worse than any name calling IMO, and I will as Zerg do my best to draw out the game as long as possible and then go AFK when I've put hatches and evo chambers everywhere (from overlords dropping creep).
If I was being a real dick I'd maybe try typing "has left the game!" and then "has been defeated!" really quickly after, although I'm yet to do that.
On the other side of the coin, I nearly always say something when I'm beaten (and they haven't offensive gg'd me). If it's a cheeser or someone who I know I should have beat, I throw out a "wp" 90% of the time, since it was anything but a good game but they outplayed me. Otherwise I give a "gg wp" or just "gg". I occasionally ragequit when I get really pissed off at myself for something stupid, but who doesn't once in a while?
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Offensive gg is worse manner than insults when losing imo because it actually means you have won the game and still bm your opponent.
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i might even lift off my remaining buildings and fly them to a corner. then i'm gonna go eat something or watch some tv, and you van have some fun with it -.-
i think it really really sucks hard, and should be concidered bm
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I always get pissed when someone premature GG me , hence my new keyboard.
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When someone gives me a premature GG I will try harder than ever to win or prolong the game.
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My answer is: Never do it*.
*If they are being dicks themselves, and forcing you to eliminate them or something, then its fine, since they are being even more BM.
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It doesn't save you any time anyway, if someone offensive ggs me, I build as many buildings in as many locations as possible and afk 'til he kills them all. I really, really can't stand it..
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Offensive GG is BM in my opinion so i never do it. Even if i really wanna commend someone on a good game i'll wait till after he GGs.
GG in Starcraft goes beyond the meaning of the simple words. The first GG is much closer to the word "surrender" than it is to "good game". So the loser saying GG first means as much as: "Well Played I surrender". Whereas the winner saying it first means as much as: "I beat you, surrender already"; which sounds really arrogant.
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I dont get offended when it's obvious I'm losing and someone gg's me. However, this one time a protoss showed up at my nat with 3 void rays, caused me to cancel it, and then flies in the direction of my main and gg's me. I'm like, yeah whatever, and my queens made short work of them, and then I nydused into his base and raped it. Of course, I then said gg, but only when it was obvious he was going to lose. I think it's totally bm to be rushing in your army, before any true damage is done, and say gg.
However, when it's obvious I'm gonna lose, I'll agree with a gg and not think anything of it. I'll say gg when I've scouted all expos and know I have his last main/expo beat, but not with a simple 3-4 unit flying harrass, like several n00bs like to do. Too many people do leave without saying gg, and I think it's very unsportsmanlike to not acknowledge that it is just a game, and that it was infact fun, despite the loss.
We tend to get our emotions wrapped upin the game way too much, which does improve our game, if channeled right, but simply bitching at each other and saying the other guy/gal's a n00b, you suck, no you suck, etc. is when our emotions have been improperly channeled. I admit, when I'm losing I have a deep seated hatred of the opponent, but I don't bitch them out, and if they start to do so, I ignore it and focus on my apm, and afterwards say gg and talk about the game and what could have been done better, etc, assuming they're willing to talk in a mature manner.
There have probably been 1-2 times I thought I just knew I had the win, but somehow the opponent pulled a rabbit out of there hat and beats me, to which I apologize and bow my head to their supremecy, saying that it was indeed, a gg, and a gj on their part. I think we should be mature, but at the same time acknowledge the opponent is right when in fact it is a gg, even if our last structures are still standing.
~DuncanIdaho
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Never happened to me,but I imagine that if he calls a preemptive gg and you manage to curb stomp him in the end you get to feel pretty smug and rub it into his face. At least I would.
I get how people might feel aggravated if someone calls gg on them when they've still got a chance, but it really shouldn't get to you, because if it does means the guy calling gg has won in a way.
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Never. Ever. But what I want to know is the proper response to it. You give in to their gg? Or you rage quit? Or like me say something like "yea yea buttwipe. gg" quit.
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A guy pre-emptively gg'd me when he was dropping in my main. Everything he dropped died within the next 10 seconds.
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I do it all the time. I think it's bad manner to stay in a game you can't win. Wastes everyones time.
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It aint over till it's over. Like what happend to bonifaceviii right above. What if you're wrong? Then you just look like a dick. If it really is hopeless for your opponent humor him. That's always pretty fun imo.
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I only do it when they have no chance and are just wasting my time. That and when they are BM
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I only 'offensively' GG if the person is a complete asshat. Especially if they're going all-in AND being an asshat.
On August 29 2010 01:44 Silkk wrote:
I do it all the time. I think it's bad manner to stay in a game you can't win. Wastes everyones time.
How do you know it's over though? You pretty much don't unless you're maphacking or seriously have the entire map.
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On August 29 2010 01:23 bonifaceviii wrote:
A guy pre-emptively gg'd me when he was dropping in my main. Everything he dropped died within the next 10 seconds.
ROFL
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I don't really care. If they call gg early and win, then sure, they kinda deserved it. But I love when they call gg because they think they're winning and then they lose. Doesn't happen very often, but it happens.
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I think it's BM, but there are times it's acceptable.
Ever had a game when you're on 4 fully saturated bases and have an almost maxed army, compared to the opponent's one half-mining base and no army since you just wiped them out? I don't want to waste 5minutes of my life destroying all your buildings, if you don't GG when you've definetely lost then that's more BM than "offensive" GGing.
If I know I've won, and you're wasting my time being a BM idiot, then I'll BM back to you. Just GG and quit so I can play another game.
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"gg" means good game, no more, no less to me and I find it funny that people try to apply their own little customs on how and when they say it. I personally don't find it mannered when people say their "high five good lucks" because in the end it doesn't really mean jack. I personally don't type anything does that make me a bad mannered player? I find it more insulting that someone who types their string of g's l's h's and f's thinks that they're good mannered despite the fact they can't take the time to type full words.
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I preemptively gg every time I scout a cheese. It really is demoralizing for my opponents. BM? Probably. But it helps me be confident in fighting it off.
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On August 29 2010 02:12 MaelstromIV wrote:
I personally don't find it mannered when people say their "high five good lucks".
Are you being serious?
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When SC1 just came out, saying GG at the end of a match was the norm. It was only in the last few years that it took on the new meaning of "I concede". Personally, I was in a situation where I felt that I could be eliminated at any moment so I said GG since it was a well played game, it would be a shame to miss the opportunity to say it. My opponent however took it as a sign of concession and literally stopped playing.
The thing about starcraft is that information is rarely absolute, and there is always a chance for a comeback. Back in the day, you always play to the end until your opponent is eliminated or has left the game. I've never expected someone to leave due to an in game chat message. In that match, I did end up leaving because I didn't want to spoil the mood. Its the matching of wits, not the victory message that draws to the game.
Anyways, philosophically, I disagree with many of the new social conventions that was come about in SC2. Calling proxy'ing and rushing as "cheese" and bad manner is just a means to restrict types of play through meta gaming.
At the moment I'm picking and choosing which moores that I agree with and adhere to, but in the end, old habits die hard. In my book, everything is fair as long as the game mechanics allows. Play the game accord to your own moral compass and don't let other dictate whats BM or not.
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I personally feel offensive GGs are probably the worst kind of BM. There is absolutely nothing as frustrating as playing a genuinely long and good game then having your opponent (who's winning/won) just basically say "hahaha noob, I win."
Losing's part of the game, but no one likes having it thrusted into their face. It only makes it worse if it was genuinely a good game.
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This is extremely bm. The only acceptable time to do this is if your opponent was being bm before hand.
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If it's clear that I've lost the game and my opp says GG before me, I will usually alt tab or get up from my chair and go do something else without quitting. If I'm playing 2s my terran ally will generally fly his buildings around. I find to be very BM.
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Ha! I flame pretty hard if they GG for me... -.-
Then ask for a rematch. If I happen to lose the rematch I just ragequit!!!
No point of being nice to a dickhead who just thinks he's the shit.
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I dont care too much about it, in fact i do understand some kids out there just have a bad "GG Timing", see Idra sometimes takes 2 to 3 weeks to GG in his games.^^
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In games with no time limits its BM but I think its ok to say GG before your opponent a couple seconds before the timer ends
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For me, I do not like it (learned the hard way aka getting yelled at for doing it innocently once during beta...didn't play bw that competitively aka playing a lot of iccup). Anyways, yeah it is considered bm for doing it, no doubt unless u spell it out (can go either way I guess, I give the benefit of the doubt).
As for XvX, where X>1, I'll "pre-emp" gg when one of the opponents leave because the game is pretty much over. My excuse is because the opponent raged quit. If his/her partner was a random, oh well, not my problem/tough luck. I will never pre-emp gg when the opponent leaves in the middle because there is still a reasonable chance for the partner to win, who knows.
As for a funny opponent pre-emp gg, it was a 2v2 map (that sandy map going North/South ,gold exps in mid, common area between partners in expo area) and the opponents that my friend and I were playing were these 2 turtling idiots. My friend was half-ass harassing with burying roaches, moving in and out one guy's base (yeah, that's how bad they were). Anyways, I basically expanded all over the map, gateways everywhere at each base and such. So I decided to attack this other terran's 1 and only expo outside his nat (located at right side of map...I took the entire left and he didn't even really scout it). So I'm caught off gaurd because I knew these guys were jokes, and after he destroys my split up army and 2/3 of my partner's army after suffering heavy losses, he ggs me lol. I thought he was joking or he was saying it because he knew we out macro'ed the crap out of his team and I was asking him....but nope, he really meant it. He makes it up to our nat....and meets a my partner and I's fully replenished army....yeah he and his partner the got steamrolled easily.
Lesson: don't say stupid pre-emp ggs only after 1 fight that was right outside your nat after turtling for 20 min...(I don't have the replay sadly...)
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i say gg when the terran lifts his buildings up and makes me go voidrays.
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Never GG before your opponent does. Its just proper.
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If they preemptive gg I get pissed and try to go for an epic comeback. That, or I float all my buildings away as terran or build random pylons as protoss just to annoy the fuck out of them.
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Such a dick move to say GG to someone just because you beat their army/took out their nat etc. The game might be over but it is just so meh. Pisses me off so much to hear it. I suppose they are achieving their goal tho.
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On August 29 2010 03:36 TheAngelofDeath wrote:
Never GG before your opponent does. Its just proper.
but gging before your opponent does is also the proper way to get them to spam you with pm's for 20 minutes afterwards which is always great
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I dont GG them early unless the other guy was being a dick the whole game. In which case I generally do other things like cannon their buildings or build nexi or something.
But really that rarely happens. Most people on Bnet are pretty reasonable.
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I never GG before my opponent unless I'm just about the kill their final building. I consider it extremely poor manner to do otherwise and it always pisses me off when people do it to me.
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If someone gives the offensive GG it gives me the green light to do some gay shit, like hiding pylons or floating CC. They just talked about this on WOC. It's like if you were in a football game, your team is up and there is two min left. The other team is going for a final drive and you just go over to them and say GOOD GAME GUYS, PLEASE JUST LEAVE THE FIELD NOW.
Ya basically you're a prick if you do this.
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Yeah, this angers me more than pretty much any other BM. It's one of the few things that incites me to BM myself. Usually I respond, "Thanks, didn't think I'd won!", alt-tab, and read TL while letting them finish the game the slow way.
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I know this is going to sound self righteous, but I premature GG for a very noble reason. As I lost 2-3 in my placement matches due to all 5 of them being cheese and me not playing for 2 1/2 months, I got put in #1 bronze. And as I progressed back up to Gold and working to Platinum now, a lot of those lower ranked people don't know that GG is something good mannered to do. I say GG not to be a dick and to say "haha I win and you dont" I say GG when I'm 100% positive I'm going to win so maybe he will do it next time he loses.
I know it's a really retarded cause, but I do it because of that.
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^ that is not a good reason to premature gg. You are actually teaching most of the lower level players bad manners, I would instead focus on teaching them to be GM by saying glhf every game and offering a gg if they gg at you.
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If you're staying in the game past the point where it is CLEAR you have lost, I will gg. In fact, I actually wait several minutes just out of kindness, but then after the next battle I will just "gg." It 90% of the time pisses them off, and if they are Terran they will lift off to the corner but I don't give a flying fuck because I know it pisses them off more than it pisses me off.
Pre-emptive gg is "bm" but wasting someone else's time is much more bm, so how can you argue against pre-emptive gg, unless it's like just a cocky dick move to "gg" after you win a minor skirmish or harass. That's no bueno; however, when some moron wastes my time by not leaving I will toss the olde gg because I know it will make him rage that much more: D
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I dislike how this has turned out over the years. GG means good game. If it was a good game that is over it was nice being able to say that. I had some epic games in BF:V, when I played that, where people from both teams gg:ed when there was a few seconds left.
I guess I'll have to type it out fully now a days with a sentence and not just two letters to appreciate the game. :/
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On August 30 2010 06:46 groms wrote:
^ that is not a good reason to premature gg. You are actually teaching most of the lower level players bad manners, I would instead focus on teaching them to be GM by saying glhf every game and offering a gg if they gg at you.
Maybe so, but that's mentality.
Besides, I BM a lot. It relieves tension.
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if you wanna be a douche, gg prematurely. sometimes the opponent provokes a BM response from you, but it's always really BM to do it.
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when I play with my friends in team games like 4v4 or 3v3, the other players seem to think we have to destroy all their buildings to win, in almost every game. In these circumstances, when it is clear they have no other option but to lose, I'll drop the "gg" before they do, just to let them know this is how you end a game, its just as bad mannered to draw a game out as it is to shout "I WIN" in their face when you're in the lead.
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On August 29 2010 04:05 MattFoo wrote:
If someone gives the offensive GG it gives me the green light to do some gay shit, like hiding pylons or floating CC.
I do the same thing. If Zerg: spam tons of spine crawlers and make extractors all over the map. If Terran: Lift EVERYTHING. If I can't lift, I just do supply push-ups to annoy the fuck out of them. If Protoss: I rename my base to Cannonville and populate my town!
I can take cheese, stupid all-ins, and anything else douchey compared to early GGs. I am absolutely 100% against early GG. Yes, I just affirmed my frustration against early GG twice in a sentence, and yes, it was intentional.
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Does writing GG with ravens count as a premature GG, and is it BM?
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On August 30 2010 06:47 Yurie wrote:
I dislike how this has turned out over the years. GG means good game. If it was a good game that is over it was nice being able to say that. I had some epic games in BF:V, when I played that, where people from both teams gg:ed when there was a few seconds left.
I guess I'll have to type it out fully now a days with a sentence and not just two letters to appreciate the game. :/
for legitimately gg's people tend to say something like "very gg" or "gg wp," in my experience.
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It's okay if your opponent BM/cheeses you first and you somehow end up winning.
Other than that, only GG when the loser does.
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I do it every now and then, but mostly when playing someone who has clearly lost the game and is refusing to give up.
For instance, i had a game a few days ago where a turtle terran sat on his 3 bases on dq while i had 7 (3 mined out, dunno how he had minerals still), when he pushed out i crushed him and started attacking, he then proceeded to lift off his buildings (because, i guess, he thought he could win by doing that since ultra/ling/infestor doesn't have that much aa). at that point i typed gg, but yes, just because you think you're winning doesn't make it ok to type gg first.
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I would sooner say "I think I won?" or expand to their natural or something than "gg". I don't know why, it just seems like the most assholic thing in the universe to preemptive gg. it carries the same weight in my mind as "YOU LOST OK LEAVE BITCH"
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what if the opponant has CLEARLY lost and is just staying in the game ie floating buildings etc to be annoying.
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On August 30 2010 06:49 SageFantasma wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 04:05 MattFoo wrote:
If someone gives the offensive GG it gives me the green light to do some gay shit, like hiding pylons or floating CC. I do the same thing. If Zerg: spam tons of spine crawlers and make extractors all over the map. If Terran: Lift EVERYTHING. If I can't lift, I just do supply push-ups to annoy the fuck out of them. If Protoss: I rename my base to Cannonville and populate my town! I can take cheese, stupid all-ins, and anything else douchey compared to early GGs. I am absolutely 100% against early GG. Yes, I just affirmed my frustration against early GG twice in a sentence, and yes, it was intentional.
does this like
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do you not have a value for time? i don't understand how people can get under your skin so easily. if someone pre-emptive gg'd me id just call them a faggot and leave or something. you might feel like you're showing him or whatever but the fact is he's just sitting there feeling like a champ that he could incite such an emotional reaction from you that you would waste YOUR own time to still LOSE a game.
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On August 30 2010 06:56 charlie420247 wrote:
what if the opponant has CLEARLY lost and is just staying in the game ie floating buildings etc to be annoying.
Then the offensive GG will more likely then not make him try harder to take up more of your time just to piss you off even more.
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On August 30 2010 06:57 Vei wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 06:49 SageFantasma wrote:On August 29 2010 04:05 MattFoo wrote:
If someone gives the offensive GG it gives me the green light to do some gay shit, like hiding pylons or floating CC. I do the same thing. If Zerg: spam tons of spine crawlers and make extractors all over the map. If Terran: Lift EVERYTHING. If I can't lift, I just do supply push-ups to annoy the fuck out of them. If Protoss: I rename my base to Cannonville and populate my town! I can take cheese, stupid all-ins, and anything else douchey compared to early GGs. I am absolutely 100% against early GG. Yes, I just affirmed my frustration against early GG twice in a sentence, and yes, it was intentional. does this like ... do you not have a value for time? i don't understand how people can get under your skin so easily. if someone pre-emptive gg'd me id just call them a faggot and leave or something. you might feel like you're showing him or whatever but the fact is he's just sitting there feeling like a champ that he could incite such an emotional reaction from you that you would waste YOUR own time to still LOSE a game.
This.
Whenever someone floats all their buildings or starts hiding pylons, I start laughing my ass off and take a sip of my stereotypical scotch and pet my white cat on my lap. Because it's so funny that two simple letters can incite such a huge emotional reaction that they would potentially waste like 30 minutes of their time because of that spite.
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hahhahahah i love what vei says !!!!!! so true!!!!! people need to just leave when theve lost sometimes.
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I only gg after my opponent does. Funny enough I get more insults coming from people when I don't gg immediately after they do. Like if I wait more than 5 seconds to gg because my attention is elsewhere sometimes my opponent will get angry. People need to be more relaxed playing a game.
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Only offensive gg if the guy is being a douche - i.e. building floats as terran.
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On August 28 2010 15:51 Roffles wrote:
It's pretty BM to premature GG, but if your opponent's been a dick all game or even pulled out his own premature GG, it's only justice to GG back at him if you make a comeback.
Lol this reminds me of a game where a guy 6 pooled me, I scouted a bit late and I didn't finish my wall off in time but my forge finished.
Before he attacked me he said "Que music", and called a gg when he got through my wall.
He was working on killing my wall while I was getting cannons near my nexus, I got 2 gateways got some zealots out while getting a void ray out. He went for roaches and I attacked his base with my void.
I said "No, THATS gg", he proceeded to get really mad and call me a bad player.
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On August 30 2010 06:54 palanq wrote:
I would sooner say "I think I won?" or expand to their natural or something than "gg". I don't know why, it just seems like the most assholic thing in the universe to preemptive gg. it carries the same weight in my mind as "YOU LOST OK LEAVE BITCH"
If they wont leave ill do this, ill never tell them to leave or GG for them, ill build shit in their base or take their natural(i did this on bw once rofl, sent scvs to mine it and everything) then they'll usually leave when they see shit like this
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I never wait for the answer gg... i just gg when i losse and leave, if ppl ofensive GG me i just respond=> Thats really BM you know... Then gg and leave^^
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On August 28 2010 16:11 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2010 16:10 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
I GG before my opponents on the ladder often because of how late some gg's occur. I never mean it as an insult, but when I have a sinking suspicion they're not gonna' gg or the game is going to end very shortly (and i mean like, I'm in their base and they have no army) then I do it as a slight nudge for them to leave, but also I usually mean it (well, as much as you can in a random game). People are going to take that the wrong way for sure.... it sounds like you mean: "haha you suck now say gg and get out you noob"
I actually use it like that,
guess I should stop
On August 28 2010 16:52 makopluxx wrote:
I once got pre-gg'd by someone and came back. Well... he said "you can gg whenever you want" about 20 minutes later i survived a huge fight (my marine viking vs. his viking battlecruiser) with only 6 marines left. I used that small victory to get a force of about 20 marines to end a 45 minute game. The guy then said "you're a joke bro" and "I had this game easy" before leaving.
I've seen him posting on TL forums too but I dont care enough to call him out or anything.
quite often enough people who are BM in the game are nice persons and very mannered on TL^^
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On August 30 2010 07:19 checo wrote:
I never wait for the answer gg... i just gg when i losse and leave, if ppl ofensive GG me i just respond=> Thats really BM you know... Then gg and leave^^
im surprised you can even gg after they do it, if they offensive gg me, ill tell them to eat shit then go afk and piss or something and let them kill me.
I'll gg normally but if theyre going to be a faggot so will I
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On August 30 2010 07:25 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2010 07:19 checo wrote:
I never wait for the answer gg... i just gg when i losse and leave, if ppl ofensive GG me i just respond=> Thats really BM you know... Then gg and leave^^ im surprised you can even gg after they do it, if they offensive gg me, ill tell them to eat shit then go afk and piss or something and let them kill me. I'll gg normally but if theyre going to be a faggot so will I
Well most ppl who offensive gg don't know its BM, so i keep my cool and say that so they find out, also it could be that im a really easy going dude XD i even GG when i get VoidRage proxy stargate...
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Guys we should make a new standard. If you're going to prematurely GG, but in a nice way. Fucking type out "Hey man it was a Good Game." Premature GG can be very easily misunderstood. The least people can do is make it nice and clear. Like "GG gtfo trash" or "Bad, I GG for u, now out" if you're gonna BM.
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its BM and even if you know you are a better player you should be mannered and not GG prematurely
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If he offensive GG's, then you make a comeback and are about to win, I think it might be appropriate. Anywhere else it's just BM.
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People are so fucking sensitive nowadays... So what? He states that he won, is that too much of an emotion for you to handle? It doesn't have to be offensive at all.
If he really truly thought it was a good game.. then gg is what it means and stands for..
I do it sometimes yea I do, but I don't mean it in a BM fashion.
In my personal opinion, people getting so worked up about some guy typing gg before you do, have serious emotional problems. See the nice friendly doctor man first thing on monday :D
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I premature GG when my opponent refuses to leave.. like they must waste as much as time as possible watching buildings die and floating them everywhere.
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the golden rule in video games is that the losing player has to say gg first. nothing else to it.
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The only time I ever do it is if they are being a prick (lifting off buildings and hiding, prolonging the game as long as possible, etc.)
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If I come back after a pre-emptive gg by the opponent, then I totally do it back.
But I do one of those things where its like "Oh gg?" after I totally come back
And then rub it in their face if they BM.
Ahhh yes. I love it
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You never say GG until it is over. It is over when one person resigns. That's why 'gg' = "I lost", and if you use it offensively, it is very BM. It would be like announcing mate and then playing for both sides in a chess game. That would be incredibly rude.
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I sometimes do it, just by mistake, having decided the game is over I just write it to try be GMed , just thankful I don't leave the game by mistake too
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If the opponent was bm, I find myself doing the premature gg to get them back. Everything else is just bad mannered.
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I sometimes GG if he is tearing the base down and I have no possible way to come back.
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I only offensive gg if I thought the game was good, they gave me good fight, and if I know it's clearly over. As much as everyone hates it I see gg as a sign of respect and not "haha I beat you." If they try cheese and I go kill them I don't say gg unless they say it first because they were just being stupid.
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I think its pretty BM to prematurely say gg, specially at one point someone said "gg?" that question mark really pisses you off T.T
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i think its BM to gg for your opponent, ever.
i only say gg after they say it.
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On August 30 2010 08:28 blacktoss wrote:
You never say GG until it is over. It is over when one person resigns. That's why 'gg' = "I lost", and if you use it offensively, it is very BM. It would be like announcing mate and then playing for both sides in a chess game. That would be incredibly rude.
This, is the Starcraft standard, end of discussion.
I'm glad most of my opponents are rarely BM.
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Want to add that, if you want to say that you thought it was a Good Game, you shoyuld say just that, as in "man this game has been great". Simply typing GG while walking into a persons base after destroying his standing army is plain BM. I even think that if you have good intentions, a GG is simply too little to convey all the meaning you put into it.
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If you want to be an asshole then do it.
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The only circumstances I have prematurely GG'd in are when my opponent has displayed douche-bagery in some way, shape, or form, namely trash talking or dragging the game out just to be a dick.
Never have I gg'd and then regretted it after I won.
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i never do it but i could care less if someone does it to me
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There's just something about that preemptive gg. The way that it says "I outplayed you. Quit wasting my time and leave the game." It's amazing how much bm can fit in two letters.
I think it's probably because most bm is said by a player that's losing, so if I'm winning I don't care. But if I get bm'ed while at a disadvantage, the fact that I'm getting trash talked while frustrated from being on the losing end really pisses me off.
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I'll only do it if he's BM'd me first(incl. floating buildings away as Terran). I won't always in that case, but if he was cussing me out or doing some kind of aggressive BM I probably will just because it makes him look stupid after what he's said and it's gratifying. I chose depends on the situation.
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On August 28 2010 15:48 Supafly wrote:Poll: How bad is a pre-emptive GG?You should NEVER do it (885) 80% Depends on situation (128) 12% I don't care either way (47) 4% Completely acceptable (42) 4% 1102 total votes Your vote: How bad is a pre-emptive GG? (Vote): You should NEVER do it
(Vote): Completely acceptable
(Vote): I don't care either way
(Vote): Depends on situation
I'd like to know what the general consensus on premature GGs. Usually, I hate it when my opponent gets the SLIGHTEST advantage and calls GG immediately, assuming I'm going to give up. In fact, on occation that slap in the face serves as a wake up call and I end up pulling out with the win. But I've noticed sometimes I GG prematurely as well. Generally, if I thought it was a good game, I'll GG when I believe it is impossible for them to come back, i.e., when I've killed their standing army and am in the process of destroying their last base. Another factor you have to consider is how many people quit the game without saying GG. I'm guilty of GGing prematurely because I thought they were on the verge of leaving without a word. What do you guys think? Is a premature GG bad mannered all the time?
Not necessarily; it could be that the player doing it doesn't expect to be saved by an Opponent's Error (usually the only time when a GG could be premature is when the seemingly-defeated opponent finds an escape hatch, and that is usually because the seeming-victor made a bonehead move). However, I wait until the last possible minute to GG (if I'm losing), and that is when I'm sure there is No Way I'll discover a sudden escape from the beatdown I'm taking.
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I would never do it. If they leave thats BM on their side. Its not a requirement that GG must be said before the loser leaves.
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I don't do it, but I don't take any offense if someone else does it.
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The GG call doesn't actually serve as a "good game." It really has evolved sociologically to the point where "GG" is a polite concession of defeat, unless it's in response to the loser's initial "GG."
It's the loser's prerogative, so socially speaking a pre-emptive "GG" is rather bad-mannered, since it would likely connote as the victory conceding defeat for the loser. So a defensive GG (from the game's loser) is a concession, whereas an offensive GG (pre-emptive GG) serves as a victory taunt.
Short answer:
Yeah. Pre-emptive GG is BM.
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This is going to sound strange. I have a friend who swears up and down that 'GG' is actually a negative statement that is usually said with clenched teeth/sarcasm.
There are definitely some times when a person has timed the GG just as I pull off some cheap move (dropping zerglings in a mineral line) rather than saying GG after the dust has settled.
I can't help but wonder if they aren't really saying it was a "Good" game.
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i only do it when my opponent is like definitely dead and hes just like running making stuff to survive. But usually since they don't leave a bm comes after.
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I don't think it is BM at all. However, I wont GG until the win is locked in, but usually the opponent will GG out sooner if they didn't cheese/all-in.
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I would only pre-emptive gg if the guy did it to me earlier in the game.
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premature gg is definatly either tied for no 1 or ranked no 2 on my starcraft bad manners list, i mean even if my opponent is being a dick and making me kill off every building he has i still won't premature gg thats just plain low and disrespectful!
DOWN with premature GGs!
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well i think gg despite what it means is a bit bm if you (as the winner) say it before your opponent, also in team games i hate when my allys say gg because more often than not thers an extra base on the map and they end up getting crushed
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