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Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 27 2010 17:31 GMT
#101
Return of tha Hydra.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
August 27 2010 17:31 GMT
#102
Tank fix was needed. But nerfing lots and ultras? Blizz confuse me. Somtimes they dont really seem to have a grasp of the metagame. Like when they stated that neural parasite was too powerfull against ultras... like you ever see ultras in zvz.

And stating that the ultra is too powerful for its cost? And that zealot rush is too powerful? Damn, were do you get your info. Bronze league?

I highly doubt the 5 secs build time will change much when it comes to the 5 rax reaper build though.

Gah, this is what you get when they balance across the board instead of balancing at top tier.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
August 27 2010 17:31 GMT
#103
I'm still hoping for some changes to early game Z scouting.
Aberu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States968 Posts
August 27 2010 17:31 GMT
#104
On August 28 2010 02:25 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
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On August 28 2010 02:21 Plexa wrote:
On August 28 2010 02:12 TMTurtle wrote:
I don't like the zealot change vs 6pool.

Yes seriously. 7 pool is going to be x10 more broken now than it was before. It was already hard as all hell to stop on Steppes without 10gating, now 10gate will be mandatory to be safe from lings. Hell, even then I don't know if you'll be able to get the zeal on time.


I'm 99% sure you cannot get a Zealot on time on a map like Steppes now even with a 10 gate.

Anyone else still think DO will still suck beyond belief?


You actually can't get it it out against an 8 pool. One of the owners of Green Forest Cafe and I were watching him test it, the timing of the 10 gate was perfect, and his 8 pool was perfect, the lings would get in side about 3 seconds before the zealot is chrono boosted out.
srsly
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
August 27 2010 17:31 GMT
#105
They're going to nerf zealots?

wut?
My. Copy. Is. Here.
SichuanPanda
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 17:34:45
August 27 2010 17:32 GMT
#106
On August 28 2010 02:28 MoreFasho wrote:
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On August 28 2010 02:10 koppik wrote:
Pretty good changes, except for Protoss. The race needs a buff, if zealots are being nerfed.

Oh, but I really don't understand the battlecruiser nerf. They do a lot of damage, sure, but they're just so easily kited by units that it doesn't matter.

BCs are actually ridiculously strong supported by vikings lategame against zerg, hydras melt to them, corruptors are slightly more cost effective against them, but once the BCs die, they are hard to use except for broodlords, but that basically means that the zerg player is overly committed to this tech against BCs which can actually come out pretty quickly. That being said, this is a pretty substantial nerf.


A BC/Viking army of about 150 population will completely and totally decimate any number of corrupters and hydras from a Zerg - especially hydras - the nerf is very much needed.


On August 28 2010 02:31 Aberu wrote:
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On August 28 2010 02:25 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
On August 28 2010 02:21 Plexa wrote:
On August 28 2010 02:12 TMTurtle wrote:
I don't like the zealot change vs 6pool.

Yes seriously. 7 pool is going to be x10 more broken now than it was before. It was already hard as all hell to stop on Steppes without 10gating, now 10gate will be mandatory to be safe from lings. Hell, even then I don't know if you'll be able to get the zeal on time.


I'm 99% sure you cannot get a Zealot on time on a map like Steppes now even with a 10 gate.

Anyone else still think DO will still suck beyond belief?


You actually can't get it it out against an 8 pool. One of the owners of Green Forest Cafe and I were watching him test it, the timing of the 10 gate was perfect, and his 8 pool was perfect, the lings would get in side about 3 seconds before the zealot is chrono boosted out.


Forget about 10 pool, its gonna be 6/7 pool cheese rushes on every 2 player map that has a Z v P until Blizz realizes how bad the Zealot change was. I mean fuck they buffed gates and zealots in the beta patch for this very reason, Zerg was cheesing P, so now a couple months after retail they decided that's not a problem anymore for P? Just plain weird.
i-bonjwa
CrAzEdBaDgEr
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada166 Posts
August 27 2010 17:32 GMT
#107
I forgot to mention that I do like the zealot change for PvP since it will hopefully reduce the effectiveness of a 2-gate rush. However, I think it will make PvZ pretty damn difficult for any zerg players who use early aggression.

Maybe we'll even see Idra 7-pooling vs. Protoss players on Steppes in tourneys, haha.
dotFX
Profile Joined May 2010
United States131 Posts
August 27 2010 17:32 GMT
#108
wheresssssss the neural parasite buff?
Democracy is an Illusion
Hilberer
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden64 Posts
August 27 2010 17:33 GMT
#109
Nice patch, I think this will help alot in zvt and zvp early game.
sNes.
Profile Joined June 2008
United States377 Posts
August 27 2010 17:33 GMT
#110
people need to realize this is only the first balance patch..others will happen soon enough
Heroes get remembered but Legends never die
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 17:35:21
August 27 2010 17:33 GMT
#111
On August 28 2010 02:25 Plexa wrote:
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On August 28 2010 02:19 InToTheWannaB wrote:
"Zealot rushes are currently too powerful at various skill levels" ? Who gives a rats ass if a silver level player can't deal with a zealot rush? I'm zerg and never really had that big of a problem stoping zealot rushs. Hell I dont see pro matchs where protoss players are winning massive amounts of games with proxy zealot rushs too. I can't say I understand that change to much. The siege tank change seems cool. Maybe now zerglings and zealots could be useful vs them. I like most of the other changes as well from the look of things.
I've seen comments that Zealot rushes are too strong vs Zerg at the highest level from players like Idra. Not sure if I agree with that though after watching as many korean reps as I can get my hands on (which is more than you would think). It looks perfectly playable and Zerg has a good winrate.

This really fucks with PvP though, Zealot based builds (like my Zealot/Sentry which I blatantly stole from naz) are going to be a lot less effective


Only very few players know how to abuse the 2gate perfectly and to transition smoothly into non stop pressure. Most protosses vary their play way too much for their own good. They should just open 2gate regardless.

Only player in Europe I find that does the 2gate properly is Socke. And in America KiwiKaki. They perform well over their skill level just based on having perfected every aspect of their 2gate play. Players like whitera practice other crap too much to know the ins and outs of the 2gate.

I'm like 0-20 vs socke and 2-10 vs Kiwi post release. I can probably count the games that went to late game on an even footing on one hand out of those ~30.

The skill difference between any 2 players at the top shouldn't ever be that big for it to be so impossible to counter such a simple strategy and its transitions...
Licmyobelisk
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-27 17:37:54
August 27 2010 17:33 GMT
#112
Damn those zealots were fine, why the hell increase their build time? at last I don't have to abuse the TvZ match up that much
I don't think I've ever wished my opponent good luck prior to a game. When I play, I play to win. I hope every opponent I ever have is cursed with fucking terrible luck. I hope they're stuck playing underneath a stepladder with a black cat in attendance a
Kpyolysis32
Profile Joined April 2010
553 Posts
August 27 2010 17:33 GMT
#113
On August 28 2010 02:27 Aberu wrote:
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On August 28 2010 02:10 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
This looks legit, wow. I honestly hope it's not, though, because nerfs are not really the way to make a better game..

I would much prefer to see some Zerg buff.


This is a common misconception. If they buff zerg to handle terran better, and to handle early game 2 gate proxy zealot rushes, then zvp is in zergs favor by far, and zvt is balanced.


It's possible to buff things that will affect ZvT more than ZvP. Changes don't affect all matches 100% equally. For instance, a Roach buff would (at least, before this patch) have had a bigger effect on ZvT than ZvP, because Roaches were already very prevalent in ZvT and not very in ZvP. I'm not saying that a Roach buff would be the way to fix it, just that a Zerg buff would not nessecarily do that.
Man, do I not keep this up to date, or what?
ShovZ
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom56 Posts
August 27 2010 17:34 GMT
#114
I kinda wanna test these out now, didn't they accidentally release some of the changes, e.g. the zealot time in one of the beta patches? I wonder if these changes will actually affect the amount of cheese, since that seems to be their aim...
winrar?
Spawkuring
Profile Joined July 2008
United States755 Posts
August 27 2010 17:34 GMT
#115
The zealot nerf worries me in PvZ. It's literally impossible in some maps to get a zealot out quick enough to fend off early lings. This nerf only makes it much worse.
monad
Profile Joined March 2010
United States156 Posts
August 27 2010 17:34 GMT
#116
On August 28 2010 02:10 Kpyolysis32 wrote:
This looks legit, wow. I honestly hope it's not, though, because nerfs are not really the way to make a better game..


Maybe you should apply for a job at Blizzard. the only thing I can deduce from your statement is that you think the only way to balance the game is through buffs? So over time, every unit continuously gets more and more powerful, never nerfed. What will the game be like 5 years from now, after there's been 50+ patches? Will marines be doing 100 damage?
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
August 27 2010 17:34 GMT
#117
On August 28 2010 02:13 KingRajesh wrote:
Blizzard being Blizzard unfortunately, it's not the fact that siege tanks hit REALLY hard, it's the fact that you can make a line of them, and the corresponding splash damage plus them all firing at the same time destroys units. And also, what set of light, unarmored units do Zerg have to "perform better against siege tanks"? The Zergling?

Bunker build time needs to be 40 seconds IMO.


This will affect it in a way that one round from a siege tank will kill it's directly hit target but not all the lings next to it as well.

All in all I digg this patch. I actually think the changes made to zealots and battlecruisers wasnt necessary but maybe that's just me and the game is suffering as it is now(not talking about 1v1 pro's only).
Do you really want chat rooms?
RyuChus
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada442 Posts
August 27 2010 17:34 GMT
#118
They nerfed those tanks hard. Now they are another worthless unit. unsieged they do 15 damage. Sieged they do 35+15 vs armoured. Great 50 damage vs roach which has 125 hp. Great I can now one shot zerglings, and nothing else. If they kept it at 50 it wouldn't make that much of a difference. What happened to using immortals to hard counter tanks. Or maybe chargelots would be a good unit too. I'm just a little shocked is all. I can still use tanks, they just won't be as effective as they were before.. bye tanks. I'll miss you.
I have an announcement to make, "Moo!" That is all.
HelloSon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
August 27 2010 17:34 GMT
#119
On August 28 2010 02:31 purerythem wrote:
are you sure chat channels are coming in 1.1? They said, "soon" and we all know what that means


Show nested quote +
We have mid- to long-term plans to further evolve the Custom Game experience, and soon, enhance our social features with the addition of chat channels.

yeah, it's doubtful they are coming in the next patch
yo
NATO
Profile Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
August 27 2010 17:34 GMT
#120
Battlecruisers are already worthless, and they're being nerfed? The only counter Terran has to bling and hydras is being removed? I hope you're happy zerg, now you can just roach+hydra and 1a2a3a to victory.

Also protoss are already horribly behind, and they have a huge increase in warp in time? How will they even compete now?
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