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On October 08 2010 05:01 HyAjO wrote:
Pretty accurate imo, qxc. 1000-1100 random diamond user here and was c+ almost b- iccup when i transitioned.. most diamond users hit somewhat of a wall around 900 it seems and after that you really gotta grind out your skills..
anything below diamond D- iccup
0-400 diamond D-/D iccup
400-600 diamond D/D+
600-950 diamond D+/C-
950-1100 diamond C-/C
1100-1300 diamond C/C+
1300-1400 diamond C+/B-
1400-1450 B-/B
1450-1500 B/B+
1500s A-
1600s A-/A/A+
1600+ A+
what do you guys think about this? feel free to make changes if you think somethings off..
I'd say increase all of those numbers by 300-400 or so and you've got a decent scale. Of course, this is not a direct comparison to iccup skill level, but more like what an iccup in starcraft2 would look like. If you wanted to compare pure skill at sc2 in comparison to pure skill in bw, almost no one playing sc2 right now would be above C+ level on iccup because the game is so underdeveloped at this point.
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On October 08 2010 05:01 HyAjO wrote:
Pretty accurate imo, qxc. 1000-1100 random diamond user here and was c+ almost b- iccup when i transitioned.. most diamond users hit somewhat of a wall around 900 it seems and after that you really gotta grind out your skills..
anything below diamond D- iccup
0-400 diamond D-/D iccup
400-600 diamond D/D+
600-950 diamond D+/C-
950-1100 diamond C-/C
1100-1300 diamond C/C+
1300-1400 diamond C+/B-
1400-1450 B-/B
1450-1500 B/B+
1500s A-
1600s A-/A/A+
1600+ A+
what do you guys think about this? feel free to make changes if you think somethings off..
A+ on iccup was something that only a selected few of the top of the top of foreigners could achieve if they tried real hard. as of now, october 2010, id say A+ on iccup corresponds to about 2250+ on the sc2 ladders. and even then it depends a lot on the league. the majority of diamond leagues have no really good players at all.
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I'm a silver player and your ranking does not apply to me.
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'1100-1300 diamond C/C+'
I'm there with random, but I was D+ with Protoss or Terrans only. I wasn't able to hold C- persistently. I guess, by focussing on one race, I'd be >1300. Therefore you are far too optimistic.
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On August 25 2010 02:28 Jonoman92 wrote:
Good post, however I think you give each level too much credit.
Bronze: I hit find match button, what's that do?
Silver: I know how to select units and make them attack.
Gold: I have a general idea on how to play an rts game.
Platinum (not stuck-in-platinum-because-stupid-system-won't-promote-me but actual platinum): I have a loosely followed build order.
Diamond: Anything above that.
That's kind of offensive. I do everything that I am supposed to do in a game, but I am in bronze. Let me rephrase that: I KNOW what to do in a game, but I'm still working on doing it quickly and efficiently. I lost a lot when I started, but have climbed my way back up to winning more than I lose-- I know what to do, I just don't have 10 hours a day to practice, so I improve my actual execution slowly.
As much as it is obnoxious when people higher up think they are better than they are, it is even more annoying that so many people think bronze players (or even gold or platinum) are completely inept, as opposed to maybe just not as polished.
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I would say:
Low diamond (~300): E
Mid diamond (~600): D-
High diamond (~900): D+
Top diamond (~1200): C and up
I feel that the difference between Diamond players is so big..as well as the difference between Top Diamond and the very best players..(Iccup C to A)
To be honest I put way more effort(not exactly time though) into BW and hit a cap at D+...for SC2 I've put in only a little bit(hardly ever play) and I hit Mid Diamond like it was nothing..
Edit: Not sure if this is because I was playing against a majority of Koreans(same timezone)
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Im 1600 in Diamond as random and I´m much worse in this game then I was in BW where i barely hit C. I dont even use build orders just free style.
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On August 25 2010 03:09 Nadir wrote:I could be wrong, but isn't this just an Argument from authority?All in all though, I agree with Chill. A bit of humility wouldn't hurt the forum imo
That's exactly what it is. And it's still a good point. "On the other hand, arguments from authority are an important part of informal logic. Since we cannot have expert knowledge of many subjects, we often rely on the judgments of those who do. There is no fallacy involved in simply arguing that the assertion made by an authority is true. The fallacy only arises when it is claimed or implied that the authority is infallible in principle and can hence be exempted from criticism."
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People seem to have forgotten the crushing difference in ICCUP rankings. At my best I hit maybe 2200 points on iccup, so very low D+. I honestly think D+ in SC2 would be anyone under some absurb point range like 1800 or so.
BUT there is one catch, placing and winning and appearing in tourneys and showing that you are in fact above and beyond, THEN you can say you are C- and up.
But seriously, unless you are in Korea, the only B-A players would be on a HuK/Kiwikaki/Catz/Drewbie level.
Just today I played a T with 1333 points and over 1000 games played. He proxy raxxed me and got rauds with slow. I pushed him out losing 4 or 5 probes and a zealot, killed 3 rauds and 2 scvs. I later killed him with carriers. His response was, he "outplayed me" but lost cause of carrier "op"ness, cited the day9 daily for his proof of said "op"ness and forgot to realize he failed a proxy rax, let me expo and build like 7 frigging carriers and 2 voidrays. People like this, that believe they are frigging amazing have seriously never been facerolled by a KR tag on ICCUP.
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On October 08 2010 05:01 HyAjO wrote:
Pretty accurate imo, qxc. 1000-1100 random diamond user here and was c+ almost b- iccup when i transitioned.. most diamond users hit somewhat of a wall around 900 it seems and after that you really gotta grind out your skills..
anything below diamond D- iccup
0-400 diamond D-/D iccup
400-600 diamond D/D+
600-950 diamond D+/C-
950-1100 diamond C-/C
1100-1300 diamond C/C+
1300-1400 diamond C+/B-
1400-1450 B-/B
1450-1500 B/B+
1500s A-
1600s A-/A/A+
1600+ A+
what do you guys think about this? feel free to make changes if you think somethings off..
Very, very off imo. I even know a few ppl that are 1800 + and were C- in BW. A very rough estimate...
0-500 Diamond D-
501 - 900 D
901 - 1350 D+
1351 - 1600 C-
1600 - 1700 C
1701 - 1800 C+
1801 - 1875 B-
1876 - 1950 B
1951 - 2025 B+
2026 - 2100 A-
2101 - 2250 A
2251+ A+
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It seems to me like a bit of a fallacy to compare rankings in BW to rankings in SC2, since the mechanics are different. Sure, being good at one may give someone a leg up on the other, but they are two different games.
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On October 08 2010 05:48 FabledIntegral wrote:
Very, very off imo. I even know a few ppl that are 1800 + and were C- in BW. A very rough estimate...
0-500 Diamond D-/D
501-1200 D+
1201 - 1400 C-
1401 - 1650 C
1651 - 1750 C+
1751 - 1850 B-
1851 - 1950 B
1951 - 2000 B+
2001 - 2100 A-
2101 - 2250 A
2251+ A+
This is reasonable I think, but it gets really blurry at the top probably because in BW there is huge difference between A+ and A-, but with how the ladder works for SC2 its pretty obvious there isn't much of a difference between 2000 and 2250.
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You can't compare iccup rank and Stacraft 2 ladder points. You can be 1700 diamond and still be "D-" in iccup because you've never fucking played brood war.
Iccup is much older than Starcraft 2 ladder. People are less experienced. The game is still new and undergoing patches. To compare the two is borderline retarded.
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On October 08 2010 05:55 kaisr wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 05:48 FabledIntegral wrote:
Very, very off imo. I even know a few ppl that are 1800 + and were C- in BW. A very rough estimate...
0-500 Diamond D-/D
501-1200 D+
1201 - 1400 C-
1401 - 1650 C
1651 - 1750 C+
1751 - 1850 B-
1851 - 1950 B
1951 - 2000 B+
2001 - 2100 A-
2101 - 2250 A
2251+ A+ This is reasonable I think, but it gets really blurry at the top probably because in BW there is huge difference between A+ and A-, but with how the ladder works for SC2 its pretty obvious there isn't much of a difference between 2000 and 2250.
Actually just redited it after thinking bout things more.
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If it helps, Low D+ iccup, ~1600 Diamond.
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On October 08 2010 05:56 McFoo wrote:
You can't compare iccup rank and Stacraft 2 ladder points. You can be 1700 diamond and still be "D-" in iccup because you've never fucking played brood war.
Iccup is much older than Starcraft 2 ladder. People are less experienced. The game is still new and undergoing patches. To compare the two is borderline retarded.
You can compare. Get a grip. People aren't saying that's "where you were." They're saying, "people with around the skill level of C-/C are hitting scores of typically around 1600-1700 at the moment, while those with B's are at..."
People that use the "there's no point in comparing," argument are failing to see it's just an analogy to better portray the issue to people. Whether or not someone played iccup is irrelevant.
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I think he means that the analogy doesn't hold water.
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On October 08 2010 05:17 Black Gun wrote:
id say A+ on iccup corresponds to about 2250+ on the sc2 ladders. and even then it depends a lot on the league. the majority of diamond leagues have no really good players at all.
That would be six people in the entire world right now..
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On October 08 2010 06:02 Lumb wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2010 05:17 Black Gun wrote:
id say A+ on iccup corresponds to about 2250+ on the sc2 ladders. and even then it depends a lot on the league. the majority of diamond leagues have no really good players at all. That would be six people in the entire world right now..
Sounds about right...?
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