The Truth About Diamond League - Page 41

On August 31 2010 00:56 Wintermute wrote:
I don't understand the point, really. Is TL.net meant to be a resource for top players? If so then there should be a "top players only" forum that mere diamond level players can't post in. Is that going to attract a bunch of top players to come and post, or will they more likely just talk amongst themselves on Bnet, ventrilo, etc any way?

Honestly I've been following and posting here since the start of SC2 beta, and I've never really seen any stunning insight from top players posted here. I've seen top players come and complain about certain features or certain imbalances, but rarely see any thing posted that would actually help even a bronze level player, much less another top player, improve at the game. Oh there's no doubt that these e-celebrities are in a class of their own, but that doesn't automatically result in great discussion or useful knowledge. In fact it almost seems like common sense that the best players are the ones who are spending the least amount of time on a forum when they could instead be playing more games.

If you want to give special props and status to top players, great, they've earned it. Ask them to write editorials or articles or give them their own "pro players onry" area. But don't act like the discussion from Diamond level players is some how bringing TL.net down. Most players are not even diamond level, and most diamond level players probably can learn the most from other mediocre players, simply because top players aren't really saying too much that's useful.

On August 31 2010 00:56 Wintermute wrote:
I don't understand the point, really. Is TL.net meant to be a resource for top players? If so then there should be a "top players only" forum that mere diamond level players can't post in. Is that going to attract a bunch of top players to come and post, or will they more likely just talk amongst themselves on Bnet, ventrilo, etc any way?

Honestly I've been following and posting here since the start of SC2 beta, and I've never really seen any stunning insight from top players posted here. I've seen top players come and complain about certain features or certain imbalances, but rarely see any thing posted that would actually help even a bronze level player, much less another top player, improve at the game. Oh there's no doubt that these e-celebrities are in a class of their own, but that doesn't automatically result in great discussion or useful knowledge. In fact it almost seems like common sense that the best players are the ones who are spending the least amount of time on a forum when they could instead be playing more games.

If you want to give special props and status to top players, great, they've earned it. Ask them to write editorials or articles or give them their own "pro players onry" area. But don't act like the discussion from Diamond level players is some how bringing TL.net down. Most players are not even diamond level, and most diamond level players probably can learn the most from other mediocre players, simply because top players aren't really saying too much that's useful.

On September 08 2010 17:09 vek wrote:
I think most of the problem stems from not having real rankings, this is exactly how Blizzard wants everyone to feel. They want people to feel like they are super awesome and highly ranked. It has the unfortunate side effect of people becoming full of themselves and giving bad advice because even though they think they are high end players it isn't the case.

I really hope the current ladder system changes.

On September 13 2010 09:58 LinjaFlu wrote:
I agree with the OP. Myself a 600 - 800 diamond in 3 playlists and I feel like a bronze when I look at real pro playing.

On September 13 2010 09:22 gr8ape wrote:
I think people are forgetting that tl.net is a gaming forum, and thus, by definition, full of nerds.

On September 13 2010 10:20 Snippa- wrote:

Really? o.O
I'm 880 platinum (formerly rank 1 in my division, currently rank 2).
When I watch the top players play, I don't feel like a bronze... I feel like I could actually beat some of their tactics. That might seem a bit cocky or may be too confident in my abilities, but I surely don't feel like a bronze.
Oh wait... what playlists? 2v2, 3v3, 4v4? or is 1v1 included? Because if it's team games you're diamond in and not 1v1, then I can totally understand. The tactics used in team games are far different than the ones in 1v1. The game is totally different, you just can't play it the same.

On September 13 2010 11:41 hdkhang wrote:


Being able to beat their tactics doesn't mean you are able to beat them... otherwise you wouldn't be in Platinum with 880 points.

It's oh so easy to watch replays and casts/streams where you get to see the game progress and say, wow the opponent is doing X, why isn't that ProGamer doing Y to counter it? In game performance matters a lot, scouting information needs to be processed very quickly and suitable counter measures planned immediately since you don't have infinite resources and timing is crucial in a "real time" strategy game.

That is the main point of this thread really, it's that people will beat their chests and tell others how to play based on what they would have done "IN HINDSIGHT". If you are a high level player playing against another high level player, you won't be able to just casually go about executing your game plan. The opponent will harass you thus offsetting the timings of your strategy, they will also play mind games, thus stuffing up your scouting information, they will wreak havoc on your crucial structures in order to throw off your build.

Any monkey can say, ProGamer A went 5 X, 6 Y and 12 Z, so for ProGamer B to counter it he can just use 14 A and 6 B's since I tested it out in unit tester and 14 A's and 6 B's destroys the former composition.