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Cohedra
United States51 Posts
As for everyone having perfect timing and macro, lol. Watch the replays of Hasuobs/Madfrog at IEM - I must have missed when the new macro goal was to keep your money under 3000. Even the tip top players have huge skill gaps at the moment. I hate that every thread on this board turns into Zerg UP, Terran OP, etc, but what can you do? I do feel that the protoss representatives at IEM failed more than the race itself. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Kvz
United States463 Posts
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
Zerg has like 10 problems much worse than zerglings. I don't know why anyone would blame the zergling. It's Blizzard simply pushing out a poor quality race. Zerg lacks units that can micro, they haveabout 3 times less good special abilities than protoss or terran, less combat units overall than protoss or terran. To top it off, blizzard hasn't been balacing zerg well either. They played around with zerg almost as if it was alpha testing, including making bad changes like roach to 2 supply. | ||
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Smigi
United States328 Posts
On August 21 2010 01:46 TeWy wrote: Nice post, thanks for your extraordinary contribution to the discussion. Zerg won pretty much all the biggest tournaments so far. What race won the World Cup? Zerg. What race won the Kaspersky Cup? Zerg. What race won the King of the beta? Zerg. What race will most likely win IEM ? Zerg. How can you have the audacity to complain about your race when not ONE SINGLE PROTOSS passed his groupstage in IEM... Why is there not one single thread about that... Why is there no comment about the fact that when Hasuobs, probably the best european protoss, got obliterated by a straightforward marauders/medivacs push of Lucifron he looked jaded and told that he no idea of what he could have done better and what units could counter this terran army... Gosh... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145387 That post explains every reason why your wrong. Now moving on, how come there are all these new terran players upsetting the top players? Have you heard of any unknown Zergs coming in and suprising anyone? nope. E.g Silver vs IdrA, MsV vs HuK In the Diamond League, In Korea, In the Top 1000 33% Play Protoss 41% Play Terran and 21% Play Zerg. Take a look yourself http://sc2ranks.com/stats/league/kr/1/1000 They are not saying Zerg is completely UP and can't win, if the Zerg player is significantly better, he can win over to Terran player. That doesn't mean its balanced. Now back on subject, I really that Zerglings are terrible in SC2, with their lack of DPS, Forcefield, and Hellions they have been rendered almost useless from mid game on. I only use them as a mineral dump when I go ultras sometimes, but if that. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
so in many cases only a few zerglings can attack buildings at a time (whereas in BW, most adjacent buildings did not make a zergling proof walloff). all these factors combine to make zerglings just way the fuck awful vs buildings, making pylon/cannon rushes/walloffs so much more deadly, as well as bunker rushes | ||
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
On August 21 2010 04:56 Scorcher2k wrote: God this reminds me of WoW balance threads... Just go to any single class forum at one point or another and they all had these exact same arguments... The only difference is players can just switch race and own while in wow you have to lvl a whole new to whatever lvl and get gear. I have a friend who beat me ZvT so switched to toss and he could touch me. | ||
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
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Dreadwolf
Canada220 Posts
On August 21 2010 05:23 red_hq wrote: I think the whole problem lies in terran having their entire bio ball move at the smae rate of speed. If Zealots and stalkers and sentries moved at the smae speed protoss would be so OP, if Roaches moved as fast as cracklings .... etc etc. The bread and butter units of terranss army all move at the same speed so you can just a-move to victory. IMHO a balance fix would be to nerf maurder speed just slightly (or maybe their affected by slow aswell (their own slow)) This is a great idea i never understood why those fat marines could run so fast, their kitting might be a little less effective too that could really even things out. What about ghost? do they have the same speed has well? | ||
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silencesc
United States464 Posts
On August 21 2010 05:23 red_hq wrote: I think the whole problem lies in terran having their entire bio ball move at the smae rate of speed. If Zealots and stalkers and sentries moved at the smae speed protoss would be so OP, if Roaches moved as fast as cracklings .... etc etc. The bread and butter units of terranss army all move at the same speed so you can just a-move to victory. IMHO a balance fix would be to nerf maurder speed just slightly (or maybe their affected by slow aswell (their own slow)) holy crap I've never thought of that before...Terran requires only a 1a - ttttttttt because their entire army moves at the same speed, so no micro is required beyond spamming stimpack and siegeing tanks... | ||
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Keitzer
United States2509 Posts
On August 21 2010 01:32 MoreFasho wrote: I was joking about this last night on vet. Talking about making zerglings so small that 12 of them could surround a zealot. They would be extra-swarmy too. I'm a little worried this might make them even worse against tanks and hellions though. which is exactly why they wouldn't make that change if anything, they should increase base attack speed.... that way it would only require 3 (maybe 2 with micro) to kill 1 zealot, and the dps early game would put terran on the defensive (where they should be tbh) | ||
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driftme
United States360 Posts
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AssuredVacancy
United States1167 Posts
On August 21 2010 06:08 driftme wrote: BW didnt have the speed upgrade. Thats a huge difference in how many shots marines can get off before the lings are attacking. That affects the balance hugely and you haven't factored that into your ideas. (OP) Please know what you're talking about before posting | ||
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Jenslyn87
Denmark527 Posts
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Sky.Technique
United States271 Posts
On August 21 2010 06:08 driftme wrote: BW didnt have the speed upgrade. Thats a huge difference in how many shots marines can get off before the lings are attacking. That affects the balance hugely and you haven't factored that into your ideas. (OP) Um, Yes it did + Show Spoiler + gotta love nooby sc2 people ^_^ refer to my signature | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
On August 21 2010 06:08 driftme wrote: BW didnt have the speed upgrade. Thats a huge difference in how many shots marines can get off before the lings are attacking. That affects the balance hugely and you haven't factored that into your ideas. (OP) I think you're the one on crack here... I'd be in full support of moving adrenal glands to lair and changing it to 150/150, it won't solve the early game hell, but it'd be a step in the right direction at least... | ||
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Thenas
Sweden107 Posts
On August 21 2010 00:47 Jibba wrote: I think this is a really good point. Still, it seems like lings are too weak at killing buildings, now that they all come with armor, and that's not really affected by the AI change at all. I agree that this is somewhat of a good post however if you take the clumping of units in SC2 VS SC1 you quickly see that the surrounds are less effective than they were in BW. | ||
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drewcifer
United States192 Posts
 realize that some units in this game aren't meant to engage and win straight up battles. | ||
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