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Hey guys this might be interesting for you since you like to read stats of the laddergames.
We covered all official games since the release of SC2 (means no beta games) and for big tourneys (256,512 or 1024 cups) we included only the games from the quarterfinals on:
Terran 56.08% 369 289
Protoss 50.89% 286 276
Zerg 39.18% 163 253
Note: The system counts every single map in the games of our Matchticker without mirror matches.
The Map stats might be interesting too but we need more data for that imo. This whole page will get really interesting in a couple of years to see which race had the upperhand over all the patches that will come up in the long run.
We will also add stats broken down into the 3 matchups + seperate stats for each patch that is still to come!
PS: I'm looking for more people for my staff to help out with the matchticker data so we can deliver good statistics. We are covering all the european stuff already but i'd like to get some american people (it sucks to ticker games at 4am in the morning^^) and especially some asian in which a good knowledge of asian tourneys, leagues and cups. Let me know if you are interested or know somebody who might be  Thanks!
Source: SC2-Inside Ranking
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Contains no Korean players, so probably not the best stats for determining balance, but a very nice database nonetheless. Good work!
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The original post could be a little more clear. Are those percentages win rates? Presence?
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Shows that while there probably is a imbalance towards terran it isn't really that large.
It is interesting to note how many more games terran has. Since this is quarters some might say that terran is imba getting there, I personally think it is just more terrans entering tournaments.
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he was stating that with big tournaments they only counted from quarter finals on.
So it rather shows that more terrans advance than it shows that more terrans enter the tournament.
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You can't look that deep into these stats, but it is interesting to look at nonetheless. Great site!
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It's obviously win rates, since the win / loss count is also there
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Stats = useless
The game is way too young and the strategies are by no means anywhere near refined enough to allow these kinds of statistics to have much if any meaning. If you want to discuss TvZ or whatever imbalance use rational arguments and not statistics that are only based on the status quo that is subject to ever-lasting change.
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had a little mistake, its not bo3 its single matches - updated the post.
also our goal is to cover all sc2 games in the future, right now we have a pretty small staff so there is stuff missing but as for the korean scene we added the WTA garimto takedown from the quartfinals, i will add the missing 1/8 games now since it was a pretty small tourney and we cover it fully then.
Please let me know if there have been some other big korean tournaments or weekly cups so i can add them to our system Thanks!
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On August 19 2010 06:56 deo.deo wrote:
he was stating that with big tournaments they only counted from quarter finals on.
So it rather shows that more terrans advance than it shows that more terrans enter the tournament.
If you started the tournament with 50% terran, 25% zerg 25% toss then you would have more terran in the quarterfinals. So yes the race balance entering the tournament is important as well.
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On August 19 2010 07:07 ChickenLips wrote:
Stats = useless
The game is way too young and the strategies are by no means anywhere near refined enough to allow these kinds of statistics to have much if any meaning. If you want to discuss TvZ or whatever imbalance use rational arguments and not statistics that are only based on the status quo that is subject to ever-lasting change.
Time is on Terran's side with this "ever-lasting change" you speak of, IMO. Terran strategies have much more room to evolve and many more tools to evolve with than Z.
Unfortunately, methinks the situation will only get worse here on out. = (
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On August 19 2010 07:07 ChickenLips wrote:
Stats = useless
The game is way too young and the strategies are by no means anywhere near refined enough to allow these kinds of statistics to have much if any meaning. If you want to discuss TvZ or whatever imbalance use rational arguments and not statistics that are only based on the status quo that is subject to ever-lasting change.
It's not useless from the standpoint of seeing which particular race is has the better strategies at the moment and which race needs to develop some better ones.
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Pretty much to be expected. Terran is OP, everyone agrees on this.
I think a ton of players are just waiting for the patch now to see if that might sort things out a bit.
Zerg espicially have hit the ceiling for getting better I think, I doubt there is much more strategies out there that no one has considered yet.
Terran and Protoss still have a way to go though in terms of getting better.
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On August 19 2010 06:52 Lunares wrote:
Shows that while there probably is a imbalance towards terran it isn't really that large.
It is interesting to note how many more games terran has. Since this is quarters some might say that terran is imba getting there, I personally think it is just more terrans entering tournaments.
Couldn't it possibly be that more terrans are entering tournaments because Terran is imbalanced?
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On August 19 2010 06:50 jalstar wrote:
Contains no Korean players, so probably not the best stats for determining balance, but a very nice database nonetheless. Good work!
agree , this dont show alot , maybe it show they are more good player playing terran , but that all .
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updated the post with all games from the WTA garimto takedown included
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Spilered my original post since it was based on the OP as it originally stood.
+ Show Spoiler +I question the logic of counting mirror matches in such a way. Why would you count a mirror match that ended in a 2-1 as two wins and one loss? Why does not the losing player count in this equation?(meaning it would be one win and two losses)
I'd say exclude mirrors completely, they add nothing of value to stats like these and if you do it wrong it can skew the results. Imagine for a second that if terran would simply be more popular but not actually imbalanced, there would obviously be more terran players and as such more terran mirrors played. Since the way you count these matches would always add more wins than losses for mirror matches(since you cannot draw in sc2 tournaments) the more popular race would get a higher win percentage simply by being more popular.
Edit: For clarification, an example:
First set of a PvZ tourney match, toss wins, which means protoss gets one win and zerg gets one loss.
Second set, zerg wins, giving zerg a win and toss a loss in the stats.
Third set, the protoss player pulls home a win and the end result is 2 wins, 1 loss for protoss, and 1 win 2 losses for zerg.
In comparison, if you count mirrors the way you do in the OP, after the first round of a ZvZ, zerg gets 1 win, but no loss(even though a zerg player lost). This obviously means no matter the outcome of a mirror match, that race would gain wins, especially in the case of 2-0 and 3-0 matches. This is in stark contrast of the non-mirrors which are zero sum(a win is always accompanied by a loss).
It is clear that going by your stats as presented terran are way overrepresented which means that the chances of a TvT occuring are waaay greater than the other mirrors(since if a race is underrepresented, the chances of a mirror of that race occuring obviously gets very rare) and this means that terran will be gaining more "free" wins than the other races.
Edit2: Also, it would also be interesting to see not only the success or failure of the races, but also the specific matchups(TvZ, ZvP, PvT).
Edit3: Since the OP was edited to clarify how mirrors are counted, my post is pretty out of date but I still say exclude mirrors as it adds nothing.
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good point - we are still a brand new site and lots of stuff is beeing worked on.
right now our coder is at the IEM global challenge in cologne but i will update his bug tracker and see if he can exclude mirror matches from the race ranking.
thanks for your input
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Note: The system counts every single map in the games of our Matchticker, so for example if there is a Terran mirror with 2-1, the Terran stats will get 2 wins and 1 loss added to their score.
stoped reading here
if there is a mirror between two terrans, which ends 2-1 for one of them, dude its 3wins and 3lose not 2wins and 1 lose ...
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@art_of_kill: yea you right i'm too tired 
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