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On May 05 2011 09:56 VanGarde wrote:
So... what does IdrA say when he lose ZvZ? I assume his winrate in ZvZ against nonkoreans is 100% seeing as his argument is that he is eligible to win every game against foreigners because of how much time he has put into his practice and whenever he does not win it is because of balance issues keeping him down. So then he should win every single mirror right? Although I would assume that he has figured out a different way to rationalize those losses, something about the matchup just being inherently random so whenever he loses it is because he was unlucky.
I am sick of IdrA's ego fueling these useless debates on teamliquid time and time again. He has no more credentials to say that the game is imbalanced than any other pro, if anything he has less credentials since he uses the balance card so often that it is reasonable to assume that it is not done objectively.
ps. can we please get a fixed terran member on state of the game, painuser was awesome I would love it if he were on every time but I guess he might be prevented by other stuff.
His ZvZ is 94% on TLPD. The only one he lost was to Morrow in a BO3 that he ultimately won. Granted he doesn't have that many ZvZ in his record since he mainly faces T and P in tournaments.
edit: So as far as his TLPD record shows, he doesn't really lose mirrors.
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On May 05 2011 09:40 rO_Or wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 09:30 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 05 2011 09:23 s_bushido wrote:
"Hey Idra, what did you win this week?"
"Who cares, Zerg is unplayable."
Day[9]'s a smart guy, but how do you even respond to that? That was not IdrA's argument. IdrA put forward idea's that Day9 either couldn't respond to, or didnt have the time to. IdrA' puts the basic argument that: Zerg cannot scout what P or T is doing early game Zerg does not have a build to counter everything a P or T could be doing, therefore, Zerg is at best a dice roll, which does not make for god competitive play. And as of yet, no one has put forward a good defense to this. Good summary of what IdrA was saying for the many people in here who seem to not understand or didn't actually see SOTG before posting. IdrA winning has NOTHING to do with the points he was trying to make. The fact is he had to use coinflip builds to win against an inferior opponent because there isn't a solid style of play available for ZvP. As someone who's career is playing SC2, IdrA does not want to be flipping coins for his job. He knows he's a better player who has invested much more time into honing and improving his play than most of his opponents yet he does not get rewarded for that.
every time you choose a build by this definition you are flipping a coin. there's no such thing as a completely solid build. even what we consider to be solid builds give up early game advantages for later game stability. you could make 5 queens and 2 spores per min line with 3 spines every game but you would give up any semblance of midgame aggression. the entire idea of having different builds is the idea that there is a cost/benefit to each one and your play style is determined by how you assess/accept risk.
every time a terran scans it's a coinflip. should scans automatically center on the latest tech building? no, it's a risk with a benefit that you have to decide to take. just because something is considered an ESPORT doesn't mean everything should be absolute, assessing risk is a large part of the game.
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On May 05 2011 09:36 Mailing wrote:
Ling speed + lair + upgrade, costs a lot of gas.
It costs less than sentries, but protoss takes 2 gas WAY faster than zerg does.
Gas that you need for roaches to defend or mutas to harass, usually.
For example, in the IdrA vs Cruncher series on game 3, IdrA got overlord speed, but only after making 8-10 roaches to defend from any pokes. This lost him the game, because he did not see the 6gate in time, but if he got overlord speed fist and Cruncher poked sooner with a few stalkers/sentries against only zerglings you also lose.
This is exactly what I'm referring to. Why does protoss take gas earlier than Zerg? With what are you using those minerals? In many zerg games I see, I watch the Zerg float (even Idra mind you) over 700 minerals almost constantly. What I see them limited by is their gas.
You referenced mutalisks, this is far, far, far beyond what Idra is talking about. He's specifically referring to the early game, Mutalisks are way past this. Roaches cost 75 minerals and 25 gas--I think you can afford to get a second gas and throw some money towards lair and an overseer.
If you genuinely don't think you can, why not? Why are you pigeon-holed into holding off on your second gas for so long? Examine your own replays as a zerg, how many minerals are you floating at any given time past 5 minutes? Do you think that mining from a second gas would be so detrimental to your early game that you would be worse off with more information, or are you better off with less information.
If you find yourself in the latter, then what exactly is the issue to begin with?
*Edited, better phrasing*
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Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen.
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On May 05 2011 10:07 DamnCats wrote:
Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen.
No, not at all. If an influential person says a controversial opinion about something as volatile as game balance, discussion will always explode. It's unavoidable.
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Here's a good question, why isn't idra changing races if he thinks those problems with zerg are inherent?
Sure, in previous interviews, he's said that it'd take him too long of a time to get up to the level he is with Zerg, and by that time, Blizzard will have supposedly nerfed the other races. But if Zerg is broken as he claims, and the problems are fundamental, Blizzard won't be able to address these issues without completely revamping the game design. The problems he claims with inability to scout early game cannot be changed. That is simply the way the game was designed to be; you are supposed to "scout" your opponent by poking lings up their ramp and guessing at what build they are going.
In fact, if you keep lings patrolling to pick off worker scouts, there is no way for Protoss/Terran to scout the Zerg either until Protoss has an observer out (which is not early game anymore IMO). The only way for Terran to scout is by sacrificing their economy with a scan.
I think Tyler addressed an important issue in that Zergs are simply not abusing the fact that Protoss and Terran players are playing risky. They take advantage of the Zerg's mentality of non-aggression early game and playing risky to get ahead without being punished.
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On May 05 2011 10:07 DamnCats wrote:
Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen.
Every (pro) Zerg player has a vested interest in not silencing IdrA, whether they realize it or not. It's possible that eventually Blizzard will listen to him and buff their race, which of course they're happy with. In fact, by him being the main spokesperson they avoid any egg on their face if it turns out he's obviously wrong.
Mind you, this probably isn't a conscious effort on their parts, but there's really no reason for them to do what you're describing besides creating drama with IdrA.
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People are completely missing the point about scouting. They try comparing it to Protoss getting an observer or hallucination out. That's not how it works. The point is, Protoss can safely tech while getting economy up with a generalized build that is safe against most Terran/Zerg openings. Zerg doesn't have a viable build that is safe against most openings, nor do they have any good scouting methods before any early-game timing push or harassment comes out.
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On May 05 2011 10:09 Kich wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 10:07 DamnCats wrote:
Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen. No, not at all. If an influential person says a controversial opinion about something as volatile as game balance, discussion will always explode. It's unavoidable.
Didn't MVP say something along the lines of how he felt terran was weaker? I have seen NOTHING of anyone taking that position seriously, mostly because at this current state of the game (haha), saying that terran could possibly be underpowered is a JOKE.
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On May 05 2011 09:50 Ryno00 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 09:30 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 05 2011 09:23 s_bushido wrote:
"Hey Idra, what did you win this week?"
"Who cares, Zerg is unplayable."
Day[9]'s a smart guy, but how do you even respond to that? That was not IdrA's argument. IdrA put forward idea's that Day9 either couldn't respond to, or didnt have the time to. IdrA' puts the basic argument that: Zerg cannot scout what P or T is doing early game Zerg does not have a build to counter everything a P or T could be doing, therefore, Zerg is at best a dice roll, which does not make for god competitive play. And as of yet, no one has put forward a good defense to this. and Day[9] is arguing that: Zerg cannot scout what P or T are doing early game Zerg does not have a build to counter everthing a P or T could be doing. therefore, zerg need to accept that disadvantage is part of the game as it stands and move forward. assuming the worst case senario that blizzard will never fix it and the next spanishiwa comes up with unstopable early zerg scouting. because anything else is to admit defeat and abandon zerg as a viable competitive race.
Day 9 wasnt even saying that zerg can not scout T or P, i did a test earlier on in this thread if P has 1 stalker out it takes 27 in game seconds after the stalkers first hit on the overlord to kill it. I did this using the unit tester map using the middle platform as a base, this platform is larger than a majority of bases in the ladder pool. I used the best possible situation for the protoss assuming that the stalker was standing on the ledge in the direction the overlord was coming so it would see the overlord before it hit the ledge meaning it was shooting at the overlord about 4 seconds before it would have been in vision had the stalker not been standing in the right position. My conclusion was that the overlord scouted 90% of the base the space that was left was not enough to hide any buildings, given that this particular platform(main) was larger then on most maps but it was symmetrical, most of the time the overlord even in the best possible situation would see almost all building assuming it is timed right, obvioulsy if 2 stalkers are out you can cut that time in half and probably wont see much. Also its more common for a protoss to get a sentry out after a zealot and it would take significantly longer for a sentry to kill an overlord. Its all about knowing the timings to sac the overlord and getting in at an ideal angle where going straight through the base will give you most vision.
Against terran with 2 marines it was slightly worse 2 marines killed the overlord in just under 20 in game seconds in the most idea conditions for the terran (assuming the marines are standing right at the angle the overlord is coming in on)
I dont really see scouting being that much of a problem its better than what protoss has at that time during the game, from the moment a probe scout is killed or is pressured out of the base we have to wait until 1) we push 2) get hallucination(after wp research) 3) get a robo with an observer(its optimal to get a robo after your expansion is up and being saturated)
Hallucination and observers have close to the same timings as a zerg could get an overseer (IMO) so with sacing an overlord its just one extra tool zerg has to scout in the early game before they get higher tech out. and of course poking at the ramp to see unit composition is another
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On May 05 2011 10:10 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 10:07 DamnCats wrote:
Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen. Every (pro) Zerg player has a vested interest in not silencing IdrA, whether they realize it or not. It's possible that eventually Blizzard will listen to him and buff their race, which of course they're happy with. In fact, by him being the main spokesperson they avoid any egg on their face if it turns out he's obviously wrong. Mind you, this probably isn't a conscious effort on their parts, but there's really no reason for them to do what you're describing besides creating drama with IdrA.
I disagree, I think if they really felt that way and came out with a post telling him, their popularity would skyrocket overnight. And we all know that popularity = money, and these are of course, people trying to make a living from SC2.
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On May 05 2011 09:46 rO_Or wrote:
Day9 was just trying to sound smart in loss of a valid counter-argument to IdrA by bringing this up.
You actually believe this? Lol..
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On May 05 2011 10:11 DamnCats wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 10:09 Kich wrote:On May 05 2011 10:07 DamnCats wrote:
Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen. No, not at all. If an influential person says a controversial opinion about something as volatile as game balance, discussion will always explode. It's unavoidable. Didn't MVP say something along the lines of how he felt terran was weaker? I have seen NOTHING of anyone taking that position seriously, mostly because at this current state of the game (haha), saying that terran could possibly be underpowered is a JOKE.
No, MVP said that he felt Terran was at the weakest race on the new GSL maps. And plenty of people have taken that position, over time, especially when looking at TvP. As for your seeing nothing and considering a joke, that way be selection bias in what you read and who you speak to at work (or it may not be, but you still should consider that).
On May 05 2011 10:13 DamnCats wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 10:10 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 05 2011 10:07 DamnCats wrote:
Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen. Every (pro) Zerg player has a vested interest in not silencing IdrA, whether they realize it or not. It's possible that eventually Blizzard will listen to him and buff their race, which of course they're happy with. In fact, by him being the main spokesperson they avoid any egg on their face if it turns out he's obviously wrong. Mind you, this probably isn't a conscious effort on their parts, but there's really no reason for them to do what you're describing besides creating drama with IdrA. I disagree, I think if they really felt that way and came out with a post telling him, their popularity would skyrocket overnight. And we all know that popularity = money, and these are of course, people trying to make a living from SC2.
The dozens and dozens of Zerg fans on streams disagree with you. IdrA alone has 12K viewers, after all; that's not insignificant. Virtually every Zerg stream I've ever hatched has the chat cursing the dirity protosses and terrans for being imba and defeating their Zerg hero.
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On May 05 2011 10:10 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Here's a good question, why isn't idra changing races if he thinks those problems with zerg are inherent?
Sure, in previous interviews, he's said that it'd take him too long of a time to get up to the level he is with Zerg, and by that time, Blizzard will have supposedly nerfed the other races. But if Zerg is broken as he claims, and the problems are fundamental, Blizzard won't be able to address these issues without completely revamping the game design. The problems he claims with inability to scout early game cannot be changed. That is simply the way the game was designed to be; you are supposed to "scout" your opponent by poking lings up their ramp and guessing at what build they are going.
In fact, if you keep lings patrolling to pick off worker scouts, there is no way for Protoss/Terran to scout the Zerg either until Protoss has an observer out (which is not early game anymore IMO). The only way for Terran to scout is by sacrificing their economy with a scan.
I think Tyler addressed an important issue in that Zergs are simply not abusing the fact that Protoss and Terran players are playing risky. They take advantage of the Zerg's mentality of non-aggression early game and playing risky to get ahead without being punished.
define risky, and define "punishing"
zergs don't have an option called "pressure", it's called "all-in" because we can't simultaneously build units, build structures, and build drones to apply "some pressure" every unit built, due to larva mechanic is a drone behind. Protoss have something called "pressure" it's early zealot/stalker feign to force lings. every XvZ guide has this line in it:
"feign pressure, keep the towers, force lings so he can't drone and get ahead or keep up in econ, <execute whatever build listed in strat forum> and you should be ahead and win if you don't mess up or he's just not better than you"
so we have to all-in to punish a slightly risky build while terran and toss can hide their tech and control the pace of the match if we choose to play risky? and if we defend it we're back to an even game because by the time we get the units to counter attack the nexus is down at the nat and. sentries. period.
if you decide roach/ling aggression within the first 10 minutes to "punish" a risky build (Assuming you scout it) then you're all-in. why is this still an argument.
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On May 05 2011 09:30 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 09:23 s_bushido wrote:
"Hey Idra, what did you win this week?"
"Who cares, Zerg is unplayable."
Day[9]'s a smart guy, but how do you even respond to that? That was not IdrA's argument. IdrA put forward idea's that Day9 either couldn't respond to, or didnt have the time to. IdrA' puts the basic argument that: Zerg cannot scout what P or T is doing early game Zerg does not have a build to counter everything a P or T could be doing, therefore, Zerg is at best a dice roll, which does not make for god competitive play. And as of yet, no one has put forward a good defense to this.
Protoss can not scout early game (only if opens 1 base air). yeah protoss can rush for an observer or get hallucination before warpgate (lol) the same goes for zerg being able do rush for overlord speed or overseer, or yet sack an slow overlord.
No race have a build that counter everything
if idra really used these arguments, idra is wrong.
day 9 plays random, idra is zerg and very well known for complaining since BW
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I think IdrA is making a point in this constant ranting. I somehow agree with what he adresses but the thing is hes always so biased in his rants some people cant take him seriously. Im not going to try to counter IdrA's arguments , im not qualified to do so and same with Day9's argument - while hes by no means a top player hes by far the top analyst of sc2 and also knows his shit , plus hes not biased.
The thing is Idra speaks so aggresively you just cant take him seriously. While it seemed that he had day9's number on that debate and he actually had a point he just dismissed everything that was thrown at him like it was nothing. The whole zerg is unplayable and if a zerg beats a protoss the protoss has to be a noob doesnt sound like a valid argument to me. Kiwikaki (where he played retardedly - according to him) is not the only protoss he has beat lately , were they all bad? I mean Im by no means a mechanics or strategy expert but Ill just go with Tyler's response here (even tho he aswell could be biased ) that everyone has to take risks and choose coinflip tactics at some point , its a thing that needs work by blizzard , but it exists for everyone. Maybe more for zerg , maybe they have a harder time getting early scouting done but unless you can get massive statistic data (like blizzard has) to prove it and suggest changes to fix it , its just venting , as day9 said...
This coming by a zerg player 
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On May 05 2011 09:55 archon256 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 09:40 Arcanewinds wrote:
Well, why don't you take 2 gas? Its only 200 extra. If spanishiwa can hold off pressure with no gas, then surely you can hold of pressure while spending gas on over speed. Getting factory + blue flame costs more than over speed (and lair), Dts also cost more. If you're at a stage where you don't know what the opponent is doing i.e. they haven't fast expanded, then 200 gas on overlord speed can't be a bad thing, considering the deficit they've gotten by not FE'ing while you're on 2 base.
I'd like to see a good zerg player going spanishiwa style + gas for overlord speed. Er, the whole point of Spanishiwa's opening is that you use the 3-6 drones (+2 for extractors) that you'd normally use on gas to mine minerals, thereby giving you enough minerals to quickly saturate two bases and pump out Queens to defend. You can't saturate both bases, have forces to defend and tech all at the same time.
You don't need to type in bold for me to understand a post.
My point towards Spanishiwa's style was that he could hold off aggression with slow lings, queens and spine crawlers.
The main point people were giving against getting lair tech and overlord speed was that they couldn't get out roaches or ling speed fast enough to deal with pressure.
So, using Spanishiwa's ability to defend pressure with no gas, and using that gas to get overlord speed would be possible. You wouldn't be getting as much minerals, but you only need 1 extractor to get 200 gas if you aren't getting ling speed. 2-3 drones in gas isn't that bad, 3/4 less drones mining minerals shouldn't affect your ability to hold off pressure easily.. Considering how easy its been for people using Spanishiwa's style.
Which, is why I said I'd like to see a good zerg try it. It sounds like you haven't, or feel like the 4 drones that aren't mining minerals is a real detriment to you, which I feel is untrue.
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On May 05 2011 10:17 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 09:30 L3g3nd_ wrote:On May 05 2011 09:23 s_bushido wrote:
"Hey Idra, what did you win this week?"
"Who cares, Zerg is unplayable."
Day[9]'s a smart guy, but how do you even respond to that? That was not IdrA's argument. IdrA put forward idea's that Day9 either couldn't respond to, or didnt have the time to. IdrA' puts the basic argument that: Zerg cannot scout what P or T is doing early game Zerg does not have a build to counter everything a P or T could be doing, therefore, Zerg is at best a dice roll, which does not make for god competitive play. And as of yet, no one has put forward a good defense to this. Protoss can not scout early game (only if opens 1 base air). yeah protoss can rush for an observer or get hallucination before warpgate (lol) the same goes for zerg being able do rush for overlord speed or overseer, or yet sack an slow overlord. No race have a build that counter everything if idra really used these arguments, idra is wrong. day 9 plays random, idra is zerg and very well known for complaining since BW
if you actually played zerg you'd realize no P "rushes to hallucination"
it's a simple transition once you get 3-4 sentries, generally off a 3gate expand.
his pheonix will scout if you're going lair off 2 base, and if you're taking a third he'll switch to 5-6 gate and roll you, your best bet is to keep him contained as much as you can and hope he doesn't push when you do your cycle of drones or you all in, since 2base zerg vs 2base toss is a joke in terms of mid-lategame save an all in burrow timing push.
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On May 05 2011 10:15 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 10:11 DamnCats wrote:On May 05 2011 10:09 Kich wrote:On May 05 2011 10:07 DamnCats wrote:
Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen. No, not at all. If an influential person says a controversial opinion about something as volatile as game balance, discussion will always explode. It's unavoidable. Didn't MVP say something along the lines of how he felt terran was weaker? I have seen NOTHING of anyone taking that position seriously, mostly because at this current state of the game (haha), saying that terran could possibly be underpowered is a JOKE. No, MVP said that he felt Terran was at the weakest race on the new GSL maps. And plenty of people have taken that position, over time, especially when looking at TvP. As for your seeing nothing and considering a joke, that way be selection bias in what you read and who you speak to at work (or it may not be, but you still should consider that). Show nested quote +On May 05 2011 10:13 DamnCats wrote:On May 05 2011 10:10 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 05 2011 10:07 DamnCats wrote:
Heres another question: If what IdrA is saying is complete and utter horse shit, why is this even an argument? If idra was so far off in his assessment, wouldn't the majority of players simply dismiss his opinions as the rantings of a madman? Where are all the other pro zergs stepping up to IdrA and telling him how wrong he is? You KNOW if someone like dimaga or nestea or morrow came up in here or tweeted something like "Hey IdrA, Zerg is straight up balanced and possibly even OP, quit your bitching you fucking noob", people would stop arguing almost instantly and begin to realize that IdrA just apparently likes to whine. But that has yet to happen. Every (pro) Zerg player has a vested interest in not silencing IdrA, whether they realize it or not. It's possible that eventually Blizzard will listen to him and buff their race, which of course they're happy with. In fact, by him being the main spokesperson they avoid any egg on their face if it turns out he's obviously wrong. Mind you, this probably isn't a conscious effort on their parts, but there's really no reason for them to do what you're describing besides creating drama with IdrA. I disagree, I think if they really felt that way and came out with a post telling him, their popularity would skyrocket overnight. And we all know that popularity = money, and these are of course, people trying to make a living from SC2. The dozens and dozens of Zerg fans on streams disagree with you. IdrA alone has 12K viewers, after all; that's not insignificant. Virtually every Zerg stream I've ever hatched has the chat cursing the dirity protosses and terrans for being imba and defeating their Zerg hero.
But just imagine how popular any zerg player would be if he made a huge post on TL calling idra out on his whining and goes on to say how zerg is super balanced and to prove that hes going to win... so and so upcoming tourney. BAM instant SC2 megastar zerg status. You can't tell me people wouldn't want to do that? Of course this would require that zerg actually winning the tourney....
And I will consider the first point :b
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