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I don't think they're hating on the idea of iccup maps, what they're doing is admirable, but quite frankly sometimes its just no up to par. Obviously their maps are greater than blizzard but thats like saying yumm, this tastes better than shit!
They have the potential to squeek out good maps, some of them seem good enough, but just can't get into the mainstream when theres no incentive to play or practice those maps.
And most of their maps are BW remakes under different names (in terms of terrain set up and where bases are located).
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I think they overreacted on the latest episode about the people complaining what incontrol was saying to TLO. Does that sentance make sense?
Anyway, im pretty sure 99% of the listeners just find the banter hilarious. Its mostly people that are unhappy about something that make posts on TL. Rarely do you find a thread like "i think Race 1 vs Race 2 is such a balanced MU nowadays". So don't read too much into the whiners, most of us are normal guys.
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you guys kick ass for doing things like this. Thank you all awesome members of TL involved past and future of this and such things like it.
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Loved the terran bashing, way to please the community. Artosis & Incontrol were golden and even Huk kinda fit in. Tyler needs to talk more !
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Quick shoutout to JP for being hilarious this episode, big props man :D
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Is Shakuras really a 3 player map? I swear I've seen players spawn at all different positions from me.
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On October 13 2010 02:36 Fraidnot wrote: Is Shakuras really a 3 player map? I swear I've seen players spawn at all different positions from me. It's a 3 player map in the sense that once you've spawned on the map, there's only 2 other possible positions where the opponent could be.
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I personally think the Artosis bashing about the imba stuff is sometimes going overboard. It's funny but try not to go tooooo overboard =P.
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Incontrol is kind of sexy, in a bear kind of way!
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On October 12 2010 23:39 Kishkumen wrote: I'm waiting for iCCup.Diamond to come in here because he's gonna be understandably pissed. Pretty bad luck that iCCup maps are discussed with HuK and no Day9. Especially the comments about how "they're all bw ports" seem pretty ignorant. I mean, some of the arguments against the iCCup maps were valid, but a lot of the issues were misconceptions that Diamond has been addressing since day one of the iCCup map project. It just seemed like without Day9 there was no one to defend the other side of the argument which does have some pretty strong points of its own.
I was really disappointed that Day9 was not there, but discussion is discussion.
Just for the record though since there was a major misconception that HuK only helped pushed:
iCCup Map Pool BW Remakes: 6 Original Maps: 18
BW Remakes: 25% Original Maps: 75%
I am done trying to convince HuK of this however as he has made up his mind everything with iCCup in the map name sucks and is unusable because we have a couple BW remakes.
Time will tell and I have a feeling this is not the last time this discussion will pop up. One thing you cannot deny however is the fans want new maps.
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I think they're main argument about the maps is that the concepts are based too much on BW-style of play.
That begs the question what SC2-style of play actually means.
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iNcontroL
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xel naga towers, high yield expansions in exposed locations and destructible rocks/hidden expansions (island)
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Artosis' version of Canadian Thanksgiving is pretty damn hilarious, I laugh during most podcasts, but that was the best yet.
Good fun all around.
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I'm subscribed to about 30 podcasts on my ipod (of various topics & subjects).
I look forward to some podcasts more than others.
The first one with the core 4 was extremely awkward. But over these past few week's, State of the Game seems to have really gotten its stride. This is now one of the better ones.
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Just a quick shout out to you guys. I love the podcast, the banter, and the SC2 insight. Great job, please keep it coming! I gave you a five-star review on iTunes. iNControL making fun of people is one of the best parts of the cast imho, please don't tone it down artificially, unless the guests themselves are actually getting offended. I do wonder if TLO understood that everything was all in good fun, given the language and culture barrier, though. The level of Artosis-bashing that goes on would certainly piss me off if it was directed to me, but as it is hilarious I say keep it up unless he objects.
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Artosis "I don't know how you can think this and be a top level player"
Amen huk. Storm does jack.
Incontrol I think tried too hard to repeat inspiration.
Good episode. The banter makes it worht listening to ^_^
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im TRYING SO HARD DOG YOU DON'T EVEN KNOWWWWWW
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On October 13 2010 03:18 iCCup.Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 23:39 Kishkumen wrote: I'm waiting for iCCup.Diamond to come in here because he's gonna be understandably pissed. Pretty bad luck that iCCup maps are discussed with HuK and no Day9. Especially the comments about how "they're all bw ports" seem pretty ignorant. I mean, some of the arguments against the iCCup maps were valid, but a lot of the issues were misconceptions that Diamond has been addressing since day one of the iCCup map project. It just seemed like without Day9 there was no one to defend the other side of the argument which does have some pretty strong points of its own. I was really disappointed that Day9 was not there, but discussion is discussion. Just for the record though since there was a major misconception that HuK only helped pushed: iCCup Map Pool BW Remakes: 6 Original Maps: 18
BW Remakes: 25% Original Maps: 75% I am done trying to convince HuK of this however as he has made up his mind everything with iCCup in the map name sucks and is unusable because we have a couple BW remakes. Time will tell and I have a feeling this is not the last time this discussion will pop up. One thing you cannot deny however is the fans want new maps.
I really enjoy this podcast and listen to it every week. Thanks for discussing the iCCup maps in this podcast, however I think it'd be cool if you (JP) managed to get the hosts to try out a bunch of iCCup maps and then have another discussion. There weren't any real critiques of iCCup maps other than "they're BW remakes" (which isn't even true in most cases, as Diamond stated) and "they're not made by Koreans." I'm a terribad player and I think a lot of the iCCup maps are really really good, so I'd really like a pro opinion on the maps. Which the pros can't give if they can't play them. Obviously i understand there's not much incentive to play the maps yet since no big money tournaments are using them, but in that case you guys don't really have a strong basis to critique them.
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One more thing...
Tyler is the weak link the of the co-hosts. This may or may not be fixed if he speaks up more.
On a positive note: This also may or may not be fixed if he continues to lose bets on air and have to suffer the consequences week in and week out.
Yeah, that might do it. That could be his thing and I approve.
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God i love Artosis :D
Great fucking show again. My favorite show easily.
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