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templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
February 23 2011 22:10 GMT
#10861
Any idea what day the live audience SotG is on?
Alizee-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States845 Posts
February 23 2011 22:10 GMT
#10862
I dont get some of the reasoning here. So many people saying why can't so and so play? Its not a charity, there are rules whether you like them or not. Why can't anyone put up 250 bucks and play? Not to mention its not like teams just get to say ok I wanna select these 5 to play in the league and voila there they are. They're still gonna have a selection process.
Strength behind the Pride
space_yes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States548 Posts
February 23 2011 22:10 GMT
#10863
On February 24 2011 07:07 Dystisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 07:04 space_yes wrote:
On February 24 2011 06:49 sdrawkcab_ wrote:
On February 24 2011 04:21 Elefanto wrote:
On February 24 2011 04:07 Technique wrote:
The NASL guy has some pretty weird logic...

-JP ''White-ra is kinda selfsponsored, can he play or should he find a team to play for?''

-NASL guy ''You can be the best basketbal player and cry to the NBA they won't let you play, but maybe you should find a team to play for.''

Sc2 is NOT a team game, clans do NOT matter in 1v1 rts games other then getting support and better practice from the clan.

There is no reason to force people to be in a clan at all.


Looks like you don't have a clue about professional rts then?
Watch at the broodwar scene, starcraft CAN BE a tea game.

I can understand both sides, Tylers and the NASL side.
Maybe they have to revert or change those rules in the future, but in the current state, i tend to be on the NASL side.


Until they have some sort of pro level 2v2s, 3v3s, 4v4s etc, I wouldn't call SC2/BW a team game(aside from occasional showmatches). They play 1v1, They compete as an individual, not as a team. If Schumacher won a F1 race, Barichello haven't won shit, even though they're on the same team. I think the basketball logic is unapplicable to SC2 because they don't play 5v5, only 1v1. What makes you say it is a team game?

Edit: Just a question to someone knowledgable about english, is it a F1 race, or an F1 race. Because the sound in F1 is [ef won]


Obv Starcraft is sooooooooooooooo not a team game. Forget about proleague and winners league and the last 8-9 years of BW. Starcraft is most like competitive miniature golf imo.

It's a 1v1 game, in the sense that games are played one person against another...


What is proleague then?
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
February 23 2011 22:15 GMT
#10864
On February 24 2011 07:04 space_yes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 06:49 sdrawkcab_ wrote:
On February 24 2011 04:21 Elefanto wrote:
On February 24 2011 04:07 Technique wrote:
The NASL guy has some pretty weird logic...

-JP ''White-ra is kinda selfsponsored, can he play or should he find a team to play for?''

-NASL guy ''You can be the best basketbal player and cry to the NBA they won't let you play, but maybe you should find a team to play for.''

Sc2 is NOT a team game, clans do NOT matter in 1v1 rts games other then getting support and better practice from the clan.

There is no reason to force people to be in a clan at all.


Looks like you don't have a clue about professional rts then?
Watch at the broodwar scene, starcraft CAN BE a tea game.

I can understand both sides, Tylers and the NASL side.
Maybe they have to revert or change those rules in the future, but in the current state, i tend to be on the NASL side.


Until they have some sort of pro level 2v2s, 3v3s, 4v4s etc, I wouldn't call SC2/BW a team game(aside from occasional showmatches). They play 1v1, They compete as an individual, not as a team. If Schumacher won a F1 race, Barichello haven't won shit, even though they're on the same team. I think the basketball logic is unapplicable to SC2 because they don't play 5v5, only 1v1. What makes you say it is a team game?

Edit: Just a question to someone knowledgable about english, is it a F1 race, or an F1 race. Because the sound in F1 is [ef won]


Obv Starcraft is sooooooooooooooo not a team game. Forget about proleague and winners league and the last 8-9 years of BW. Starcraft is most like competitive miniature golf imo.


To be fair, BW had pro level 2v2s for a huge chunk of its history. I'm still sad they got axed, actually, they were a refreshing break from the usual suspects owning everything. It allowed a few teams to do a lot better in Proleague. That's also why I prefer the non-Winner's league team format; it encourages depth within teams.

That said, clan wars are definitely team games and SC2 has those in spades. GSTL, GCPL, and SCL are all team-based. I don't understand why NASL is so unwilling to make exceptions for non-team players, though, since they often have their own cadre of fans. There will always be the issue of people switching clans in the midst of the NASL season that could "overload" one part of the bracket, too.
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
February 23 2011 22:22 GMT
#10865
I think the argument is team has no role in nasl other than selection. There's no proleague. Just 1v1. And they're already exceptions to the rule such as whitera
space_yes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States548 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 22:36:24
February 23 2011 22:34 GMT
#10866
On February 24 2011 07:22 JimSocks wrote:
I think the argument is team has no role in nasl other than selection. There's no proleague. Just 1v1. And they're already exceptions to the rule such as whitera


Team membership is a professional credential that helps minimize risk to the business. Obv they can't have some 17 year old sleeping in when they go to studio or have an unreliable player participate for the same reason. To some extent, teams mitigate this risk.

EDIT: I think that's the only reason really; or that was what I took from Russ's statements
retro-noob
Profile Joined June 2010
110 Posts
February 23 2011 22:42 GMT
#10867
On February 23 2011 15:55 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 15:44 retro-noob wrote:
More Day9 - neutral. Day9 is great but he doesn't really talk that much and is always busy with something. I'm okay with or without him on the show.


Day9 kind of neutralizes the negative stuff every now and then, he has positive stuff to say about everything, and he laughs a lot. Whether it's Day9 or someone else like him, the balance needs people who are positive and obviously just having a good time to off-set Geoff's tone which tends to rub off on JP too.


GET SOME PSYCHOLOGYYYYYYY


HAHAHA THINGS ARE STUPID THAT I DON'T LIKE

Am I doing it right?
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 23:05:54
February 23 2011 22:58 GMT
#10868
No one cares if you are booked up through 2013, you don't have to tell everyone how much money you make everytime you speak.

Edit: Loved the show other than that, I finally found Tylers twitter through Liquidpedia's twitter. I kind of feel creepy having to stalk down your twitter.
Megaliskuu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5123 Posts
February 23 2011 23:01 GMT
#10869
On February 24 2011 07:58 ImHuko wrote:
No one cares if you are booked up through 2013, you don't have to tell everyone how much money you make everytime you speak.


Or mention his ferrari and supermodel wife and his mansion. right? RIGHT?
|BW>Everything|Add me on star2 KR server TheMuTaL.675 for practice games :)|NEX clan| https://www.dotabuff.com/players/183104694
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
February 23 2011 23:03 GMT
#10870
Wow, Kelly recieved death threats? Some people take this way too seriously.
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
February 23 2011 23:17 GMT
#10871
This is SHOUTCRAFT.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
February 23 2011 23:49 GMT
#10872
Everyone makes everything personal on this thread.

siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggh.

I'm all emo like IdrA now. <--kiddinnnnnngggg.

Dystisis
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway713 Posts
February 24 2011 00:01 GMT
#10873
On February 24 2011 07:10 space_yes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 07:07 Dystisis wrote:
On February 24 2011 07:04 space_yes wrote:
On February 24 2011 06:49 sdrawkcab_ wrote:
On February 24 2011 04:21 Elefanto wrote:
On February 24 2011 04:07 Technique wrote:
The NASL guy has some pretty weird logic...

-JP ''White-ra is kinda selfsponsored, can he play or should he find a team to play for?''

-NASL guy ''You can be the best basketbal player and cry to the NBA they won't let you play, but maybe you should find a team to play for.''

Sc2 is NOT a team game, clans do NOT matter in 1v1 rts games other then getting support and better practice from the clan.

There is no reason to force people to be in a clan at all.


Looks like you don't have a clue about professional rts then?
Watch at the broodwar scene, starcraft CAN BE a tea game.

I can understand both sides, Tylers and the NASL side.
Maybe they have to revert or change those rules in the future, but in the current state, i tend to be on the NASL side.


Until they have some sort of pro level 2v2s, 3v3s, 4v4s etc, I wouldn't call SC2/BW a team game(aside from occasional showmatches). They play 1v1, They compete as an individual, not as a team. If Schumacher won a F1 race, Barichello haven't won shit, even though they're on the same team. I think the basketball logic is unapplicable to SC2 because they don't play 5v5, only 1v1. What makes you say it is a team game?

Edit: Just a question to someone knowledgable about english, is it a F1 race, or an F1 race. Because the sound in F1 is [ef won]


Obv Starcraft is sooooooooooooooo not a team game. Forget about proleague and winners league and the last 8-9 years of BW. Starcraft is most like competitive miniature golf imo.

It's a 1v1 game, in the sense that games are played one person against another...


What is proleague then?

Let me get this straight; are you or are you not denying that professional Starcraft and Starcraft 2 is played 1v1?
Cha1R
Profile Joined November 2010
United States221 Posts
February 24 2011 00:23 GMT
#10874
Add IdrA to the pillars list.----
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
February 24 2011 00:32 GMT
#10875
On February 24 2011 07:10 Alizee- wrote:
I dont get some of the reasoning here. So many people saying why can't so and so play? Its not a charity, there are rules whether you like them or not. Why can't anyone put up 250 bucks and play? Not to mention its not like teams just get to say ok I wanna select these 5 to play in the league and voila there they are. They're still gonna have a selection process.

Sucks for white-ra though, and a very select few other cases where players have worked out a good deal with a sponsor and decided to play solo. I don't understand the purpose of the rule but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume there is one other than "nba players don't get to play without belonging to a team lolol".
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
February 24 2011 00:50 GMT
#10876
"nba players don't get to play without belonging to a team lolol".


I feel if Sundance used this as a reason to justify including only team-members in his MLG touraments Geoff would be all over him.
t3tsubo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada682 Posts
February 24 2011 01:35 GMT
#10877
The reason why they are so adamant about having teams is because they are following the model of professional sports in North America, which is what they want to imitate. The problem is prosports in NA are all team sports (hockey, baseball, basketball and football), whereas they should follow the model of an individual sport such as tennis.
badDogma
Profile Joined August 2010
United States106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 02:07:04
February 24 2011 01:49 GMT
#10878
The reason why they are so adamant about having teams is because they are following the model of professional sports in North America, which is what they want to imitate. The problem is prosports in NA are all team sports


Agree 100%. As a fan of the UFC, it was fun to see how they took a relatively niche sport and blew it out of the water. It's unbelievably popular now. What they DIDN'T do was try to force teams in a 1v1 sport. They have groups, certain pros all train at the same gym for instance, and this could be equivalent to "teams" in SC2.

Anyway I don't feel like getting into too much detail, but I just want to suggest that following Dana White's UFC model could be a better recipe for success, whereas the guy on the podcast seemed stuck on the NBA/NFL model.
A genius cannot defeat someone who works hard. Someone who works hard cannot defeat someone who enjoys their work. -- Rain
delo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States333 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 01:50:33
February 24 2011 01:49 GMT
#10879
On February 24 2011 09:23 Cha1R wrote:
Add IdrA to the pillars list.----

Yeah, it's official now. Hopefully the OP will be updated soon :-)
LostBLuE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada188 Posts
February 24 2011 01:52 GMT
#10880
Being a huge whitera fan it would suck not having him in the league
TLO " Well Sjow, it's almost the same prize for 2nd place " Sjow " I know, but it's more about the honor... -_- " TLO " All I care about is the honor "
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