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On December 02 2010 06:39 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:32 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On December 02 2010 06:18 VenerableSpace wrote:On December 02 2010 05:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Opinion? He is the best damn author. SOIAF is the best series ever save for the fact he is killing me with his gap between feast for crows and a dance of dragons.
TV show looks amazing too. I totally agree Ive read both WoT and SOIAF and GRRM is a better author then Jordan no doubt. I even checked out Jim Butcher when Day9 and Incontrol mentioned Harry Dresden, it was ok but I couldnt really get into it. Its one of those things ill read If i have nothing else. I could actively read the dictionary if it was written by GRRM. I check the Not a blog every week and have become a Jets fan hoping if the Jets win the superbowl, GRRM will feel motivated to finish the series. have you heard of malazan series? it's my favorite. but i agree SOIAF is much better than WoT. im gonna read the black company next, which idra recommends, and which came before malazan series and supposedly inspires the malazan series in a few ways. The Black Company is a really good series although takes so getting used to his writing style and you have to pay attention or it becomes really easy to get lost never heard of malazan but am checking it out ATM
Im gonna end up starting both those series and see where it goes. Not sure which one to start with first. both series are 10+ novels. Im leaning towards starting with the Black Company then moving towards Malazan. I will probably start it after I finish Towers of Midnight.
Ty for the heads up and the suggestions, this really helps in filling the SOIAF void.
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I am now using SotG as my reading reference. I picked up the Dresden files because of the recommendation and love it (getting a ton more for Christmas). Next will be GRRM
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On December 02 2010 06:32 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 06:18 VenerableSpace wrote:On December 02 2010 05:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Opinion? He is the best damn author. SOIAF is the best series ever save for the fact he is killing me with his gap between feast for crows and a dance of dragons.
TV show looks amazing too. I totally agree Ive read both WoT and SOIAF and GRRM is a better author then Jordan no doubt. I even checked out Jim Butcher when Day9 and Incontrol mentioned Harry Dresden, it was ok but I couldnt really get into it. Its one of those things ill read If i have nothing else. I could actively read the dictionary if it was written by GRRM. I check the Not a blog every week and have become a Jets fan hoping if the Jets win the superbowl, GRRM will feel motivated to finish the series. have you heard of malazan series? it's my favorite. but i agree SOIAF is much better than WoT. im gonna read the black company next, which idra recommends, and which came before malazan series and supposedly inspires the malazan series in a few ways.
Malazan <3
I read a bit of the black company, and if you enjoy mbotf you'll slip into tbc pretty easily too imo.
On December 02 2010 06:43 CoFran wrote:
from the user-question about which tournament MLG wants to resemble..
MLG Lee : "I think GSL is probably the one we could learn from the most."
GSL is a TV show, its about 8 -pro- games a day. It's a fully televised tournament..
MLG is a filmed weekend LAN party with 20ish games casted randomly.
I dont know how the 2 correlate at all, they are both completely different.
Pretty sure Lee was speaking purely in terms of production and spectacle? While the formats different there are obviously aspects of the presentation that cross over.
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You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
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Some of the most BS i've heard in a long time about "extended series." Props to incontrol for fighting in the name of sanity.
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George RR Martin's series will probably never finish. I think it was book 4 that was supposed to come out in 2004. Maybe even earlier. Instead it was delayed 1 or 2 years and then because it was taking so long he split the book in half and released half of it.
We're still waiting for the second half! I gave up on praying for it long ago. Glad to know that inControl still keeps the faith.
It is really a good series. If he ever does decide to actually continue it I hope he doesn't pull a Robert Jordan where the series turns from being great into a bore-fest after book 6.
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On December 02 2010 06:19 retro-noob wrote:Tyler - you're right on with this one. Three episodes ago, you laid it down perfectly, but everybody moved on because the usually spot-on Mr. Plott jumped in with some specious math talk. Here's all you need: - The ideal of a tournament is to have the best player win.
- A best of infinity match is the ideal way to determine the better player.
- The larger the series, the closer to that ideal. (This is why there is seeding. Upsets are fun because they are the exception to the rule, but if a tournament let all the best competitors knock each other out and scrubs always won, they wouldn't be fun at all.)
- Tournaments aren't perfect because there are time limits.
- From 1, 2, 3, and 4 - The best option for a tournament is the one that fits in the time constraints while best approaching the ideal (meaning as large of series as practical is best). (Otherwise, why not do a BO1?)
- From 3 - A best of 5 is a better measure of which player is better than a best of 3.
- From 5 and 6 - When two players play 5 games against each other, it is better for the one who won 3 games to advance regardless of the order in which the matches were won.
- In double-elimination without extended series, it is possible for a player to go 3-2 and fail to advance to the other player.
- In double-elimination with extended series, it is impossible for a player to go 3-2 and fail to advance.
- From 5 - If 5 games will be played either way, time is not a factor, and the closer to ideal series length is best.
- Therefore, from 7, 8, 9, and 10 -- an extended series is closer to ideal in a double-elimination tournament.
Also, I'm with you that this probably isn't a hill to die on for MLG, but it is the better (in the sense of closer to ideal) option.
This is a single-elimination philosophy. The point of single-elimination is that, if you pit two players against each other, the better player is supposed to win.
The point of double-elimination is that sometimes the better player doesn't win, and deserves a second chance to win the tournament.
Your logic would recommend a Bo5 or Bo7 single-elimination tournament, not a Bo3 double-elimination tournament. That's perfectly reasonable. But if the tournament is double-elimination, don't try to shoehorn it into a single-elimination philosophy.
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Listening to Lee in this episode is seriously frustrating, he doesn't give strong reasons for practically anything he's asked about it makes me wish he didn't come on the episode at all even.
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I read the first 2 and a half books of SOIAF and stopped because I read the spoilers that come later in the third book =(. I should just finish it and start on the 4th book but its gonna be boring since I know what's going to happen >.<. I ruined it and I hate myself for it =[.
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I didn't like this episode of the podcast, all everyone talked about was how bad everything is. IMO this episode was just too negative, by the end of the podcast I even stated getting a bit depressed. We really needed some Day[9] on this episode because he's a really positive and energetic person and helps balance things out.
Don't get me wrong though I really like the podcast in general, but this episode in particular was just too negative for my taste.
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On December 02 2010 08:27 YoonHo wrote:
I read the first 2 and a half books of SOIAF and stopped because I read the spoilers that come later in the third book =(. I should just finish it and start on the 4th book but its gonna be boring since I know what's going to happen >.<. I ruined it and I hate myself for it =[.
you may know pieces of what happens, but the writing and craftsmanship is great. You'll still feel the suspense. I know people that have read each book several times over and they're still passionate about it. I don't see why knowing of a few spoilers would stop you from reading a damn fine piece of work
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On December 02 2010 08:34 Terr wrote:
I didn't like this episode of the podcast, all everyone talked about was how bad everything is. IMO this episode was just too negative, by the end of the podcast I even stated getting a bit depressed. We really needed some Day[9] on this episode because he's a really positive and energetic person and helps balance things out.
Don't get me wrong though I really like the podcast in general, but this episode in particular was just too negative for my taste.
Yeah there was almost no joking around or laughter in this cast...
Wait.
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I almost rear ended someone this morning when you yelled AMERICA.
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I think the idea that you guys focused a lot on negatives in that episode is a fair criticism. I mean you flat out focused mostly on the negatives of MLG, followed by Dreamhack, and finally GSL. Is that a bad thing? Probably not, we listen to the show to get your honest opinion on things so it's understandable that your honest opinions are sometimes going to be negative ones.
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On December 02 2010 06:34 shackes wrote:
What's really bad about extended series is that it makes a difference, who you meet in LB.
While Player A moves through LB with only new opponents, Player B might have to face the guy who knocked him down.
So Player A is in a better spot than Player B, because his WB opponent lost to someone else, or is in another part of the grid. The players in LB just have to pray that they don't get put up against that one guy who previously defeated them.
I was a bit disappointed, that noone brought this point up.
This in my opinion is by far the most major flaw with the extended series and I don't recall it being brought up in the sotg. (maybe i missed it)
An extended series may or may not be a better way at deciding who the better player is, however the fact that there's a chance you can get lucky might not even get paired against the same person in the LB making it random completely out-weighs any argument in favor of it IMO
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On December 02 2010 08:34 Terr wrote:
I didn't like this episode of the podcast, all everyone talked about was how bad everything is. IMO this episode was just too negative, by the end of the podcast I even stated getting a bit depressed. We really needed some Day[9] on this episode because he's a really positive and energetic person and helps balance things out.
Don't get me wrong though I really like the podcast in general, but this episode in particular was just too negative for my taste.
Man just imagine Day[9] appearing out of no where at the end of the cast and just going "THIS PIZZA IS SO FUCKING EPIC YOU GUYS HAVE TO TRY IT". Think I would die
On December 02 2010 08:45 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2010 08:34 Terr wrote:
I didn't like this episode of the podcast, all everyone talked about was how bad everything is. IMO this episode was just too negative, by the end of the podcast I even stated getting a bit depressed. We really needed some Day[9] on this episode because he's a really positive and energetic person and helps balance things out.
Don't get me wrong though I really like the podcast in general, but this episode in particular was just too negative for my taste. Yeah there was almost no joking around or laughter in this cast... Wait.
So I heard European humour is superior to American. That's why you can't understand the genius that is Haypro
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On sound-canceling headphones:
I'm skeptical of Lee's claim that active noise control (ANC) technology is rooted in military research, and that its limitations on canceling high-frequency sound are based on intentional design decisions to allow high-frequency sound. ANC has military applications that usually demand devices that allow speech, but military applications don't necessarily have identical requirements to commercial applications in general, let alone eSports applications. ANC and phase canceling may be more effective against continuous, low-frequency noise than sudden high-frequency noise like speech, but is the reason really because the military demanded that devices be designed that way?
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On December 02 2010 08:51 Zim23 wrote:
I think the idea that you guys focused a lot on negatives in that episode is a fair criticism. I mean you flat out focused mostly on the negatives of MLG, followed by Dreamhack, and finally GSL. Is that a bad thing? Probably not, we listen to the show to get your honest opinion on things so it's understandable that your honest opinions are sometimes going to be negative ones.
I don't think it's fair. Secondly your post is really negative. Talking about us being negative is negative. I mean, you are entitled to being a negative nancy but I just thought you should know it is unbiased and fair criticism to say you were in fact being negative.
Can we please hammer this out more please? I am fascinated by people pointing out the mood of a cast and others defending their right to discuss the mood of a cast.
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