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Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
November 18 2010 10:04 GMT
#4861
Yeah,

PainUser is a great fit, he should be your go-to-Terran guest from now on.

SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
November 18 2010 10:10 GMT
#4862
a see a (shit)storm comming next SotG podcast
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
November 18 2010 10:12 GMT
#4863
what?
kuroshiro
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom378 Posts
November 18 2010 10:19 GMT
#4864
Great podcast. I like the forum-support for a terran voice and I think Painuser was pretty good, but if I may be allowed to constructively criticise without being flamed to high heaven *fingers crossed* I felt that he was a little overly defensive and sarcastic at times (his snap at day9 made me cringe :p). This is very likely to be down to less experience in a podcast environment but it's still worth mentioning.

Again this is supposed to be constructive -> I like painuser and I also like sotg and want them both to get better for my continued enjoyment ^_^

I am you, and you are me.
Dont Panic
Profile Joined October 2010
United States194 Posts
November 18 2010 10:24 GMT
#4865
I knew this podcast would be hectic once i found out t pain = painuser. He LOVES to complain about protoss lol. Every game he casts he whines how strong toss is. He is the terran artosis
I am order. I am logic. I know exactly who I am.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 10:26:26
November 18 2010 10:25 GMT
#4866
It's a shame about the Select situation.

It's pretty clear from InControl that nothing personal was meant by his comments and that he was just busting another player's chops, but the topic of Select's one-dimensional play came up all MLG DC Weekend. And InControl's comments about Select's play on the MLG Dallas Live on 3 weren't exactly ... ummm ... diplomatic.

To be honest, the difference between InControl busting on Select versus, say, Artosis, is both social and cultural. Artosis and InControl actually have a friendship/relationship outside of the game or a tournament, so busting on his nose or Judaism is par for course. Select on the other hand, is just a peer/stranger to InControl, that is also a soft-spoken, unassuming Asian immigrant that has English as his second language. Talking shit is more of a North American/European past time, that goes over most ESL immigrant's heads. I have met and known a lot of young immigrants that are extremely self-conscious around non-Asians, and can't tell when people are laughing with them or at them.

Que sera, sera.



Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
November 18 2010 10:29 GMT
#4867
I can't believe that, during the fantasy tournament discussion, no one brought up prize money.

I guess it's a natural assumption that there would be a shit load, but I think the prize money should be better distributed/spread, like in a 128-man tournament the top 32, at minimum, should get something.
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
November 18 2010 10:32 GMT
#4868
On November 18 2010 19:29 Defacer wrote:
I can't believe that, during the fantasy tournament discussion, no one brought up prize money.

I guess it's a natural assumption that there would be a shit load, but I think the prize money should be better distributed/spread, like in a 128-man tournament the top 32, at minimum, should get something.


Well the GSL spreads the money amongst all players, so they probably just assumed they were going with a format like that.
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
November 18 2010 10:33 GMT
#4869
On November 18 2010 16:54 iCanada wrote:
I mean, granted only 2 of the top twenty are Toss, but it is also true that 10 of the top 20 are protoss as well.


Wait, what?
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
shinwa
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden225 Posts
November 18 2010 10:37 GMT
#4870
On November 18 2010 19:25 Defacer wrote:
It's a shame about the Select situation.

It's pretty clear from InControl that nothing personal was meant by his comments and that he was just busting another player's chops, but the topic of Select's one-dimensional play came up all MLG DC Weekend. And InControl's comments about Select's play on the MLG Dallas Live on 3 weren't exactly ... ummm ... diplomatic.

To be honest, the difference between InControl busting on Select versus, say, Artosis, is both social and cultural. Artosis and InControl actually have a friendship/relationship outside of the game or a tournament, so busting on his nose or Judaism is par for course. Select on the other hand, is just a peer/stranger to InControl, that is also a soft-spoken, unassuming Asian immigrant that has English as his second language. Talking shit is more of a North American/European past time, that goes over most ESL immigrant's heads. I have met and known a lot of young immigrants that are extremely self-conscious around non-Asians, and can't tell when people are laughing with them or at them.

Que sera, sera.





Well put, I had the same theory.
Oldini
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland21 Posts
November 18 2010 10:59 GMT
#4871
I got a lot annoyed at the america centricism of Tyler and PainUser especially. Also the names Painuser was commenting about that he hadn't heard about were names that had won qualifiers to make it into dreamhack
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WhO
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada25 Posts
November 18 2010 11:21 GMT
#4872
is there someplace where I can watch episode 20 without downloading?
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
November 18 2010 11:28 GMT
#4873
Great cast for the most part, but allow me to submit a little criticism which may or may not be constructive (depends what you do with it):

The PvT discussion:

Painuser: "Armor and guardian shield allow zealots to absorb an extra 15 - 20 hits, and statistically speaking, they're a good unit"
iNcontroL and Tyler: Giant rant about something that Painuser never even said.
Painuser: "Thors absorb a tonne of front-loaded damage"
iNcontroL: Bunch of argumentative bullshit that has nothing to do with what Painuser said.

Etc etc etc.

Basically, it seemed like Painuser was just trying to share some interesting thoughts on the match-up/possible strategies and the other guys just instantly shit on anything he said. It's just disappointing to hear supposed 'pros' dismissing ideas out of hand based on red herring 'arguments' when there could have been something to gain from discussing those ideas.

Personally I can't understand why iNcontroL would be against his meatshield units being better meatshields (with +1 armor), because that's what it sounded like. All I heard was argument for the sake of argument, or at best argument for the sake of proving Protoss is worse off.

But truthfully the worst thing is that you didn't even give your guest the benefit of the doubt. We hear your thoughts every week, and although I can understand the arguing with guests like Artosis, it really shouldn't be that way with guests like Painuser (who was dam good, btw) whose thoughts we may not hear again (though I hope we do).

TL;DR: Let your guests talk a bit more before jumping all over them. We hear you guys every week, we may never hear them again.

(I'm aware that Painuser was remarkably good spirited about it all btw... But I'm saying this more for the sake of the content in the podcast rather than for the sake of your guests)
ulf5
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden208 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 19:21:27
November 18 2010 11:30 GMT
#4874
On November 18 2010 20:21 WhO wrote:
is there someplace where I can watch episode 20 without downloading?

You could visit the place where the hosting server is located. If you mean you would like to listen to it while it's downloading you could just start the download and open the file in vlc and it will play while it's being downloaded.
shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
November 18 2010 11:36 GMT
#4875
On November 18 2010 20:28 Swede wrote:
Great cast for the most part, but allow me to submit a little criticism which may or may not be constructive (depends what you do with it):

The PvT discussion:

Painuser: "Armor and guardian shield allow zealots to absorb an extra 15 - 20 hits, and statistically speaking, they're a good unit"
iNcontroL and Tyler: Giant rant about something that Painuser never even said.
Painuser: "Thors absorb a tonne of front-loaded damage"
iNcontroL: Bunch of argumentative bullshit that has nothing to do with what Painuser said.

Etc etc etc.

Basically, it seemed like Painuser was just trying to share some interesting thoughts on the match-up/possible strategies and the other guys just instantly shit on anything he said. It's just disappointing to hear supposed 'pros' dismissing ideas out of hand based on red herring 'arguments' when there could have been something to gain from discussing those ideas.

Personally I can't understand why iNcontroL would be against his meatshield units being better meatshields (with +1 armor), because that's what it sounded like. All I heard was argument for the sake of argument, or at best argument for the sake of proving Protoss is worse off.

But truthfully the worst thing is that you didn't even give your guest the benefit of the doubt. We hear your thoughts every week, and although I can understand the arguing with guests like Artosis, it really shouldn't be that way with guests like Painuser (who was dam good, btw) whose thoughts we may not hear again (though I hope we do).

TL;DR: Let your guests talk a bit more before jumping all over them. We hear you guys every week, we may never hear them again.

(I'm aware that Painuser was remarkably good spirited about it all btw... But I'm saying this more for the sake of the content in the podcast rather than for the sake of your guests)


Do you play terran by any chance?
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
WhO
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada25 Posts
November 18 2010 11:38 GMT
#4876
On November 18 2010 20:30 ulf5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 20:21 WhO wrote:
is there someplace where I can watch episode 20 without downloading?

You could visit the place where the hosting server is located. If you mean you would like to listen to it while it's downloading you could just start the download and open the file in vlc and it will place while it's being downloaded.


oh wow im a nub huh... lol Thanks alot :D
Jusciax
Profile Joined August 2007
Lithuania588 Posts
November 18 2010 11:42 GMT
#4877
On November 18 2010 20:38 WhO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 20:30 ulf5 wrote:
On November 18 2010 20:21 WhO wrote:
is there someplace where I can watch episode 20 without downloading?

You could visit the place where the hosting server is located. If you mean you would like to listen to it while it's downloading you could just start the download and open the file in vlc and it will place while it's being downloaded.


oh wow im a nub huh... lol Thanks alot :D

Or you can get Chrome and stream it in browser.
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
November 18 2010 11:46 GMT
#4878
I kind of agree with swede. Especially the Zealot Shield Upgrade + Guardian Shield was really interesting but was totaly ignored by Incontrol and Tyler. But i think it will be always like that whoever you put in such balance talks. Discussions of 2 people from the "underpowered" race against 1 of the "favored" race will always be kind of stupid.

Its always theorycrafting, statistics, tournament results, personal views, ... and everbody takes what he needs to reason his view on balance. Just look at those countless balance discussions here on TL.

But I still liked it because its a nice insight what people think about a matchup. In my opinion you just shouldnt have the goal of that discussion to say "X is imbalance". Just share your thoughts about the matchup.

I hope my english skills dont let it sound like it dislike the show. Iam in since the 1st episode and i love it. Great stuff guys.
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
November 18 2010 12:09 GMT
#4879
On November 18 2010 20:36 shaunnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 20:28 Swede wrote:
Great cast for the most part, but allow me to submit a little criticism which may or may not be constructive (depends what you do with it):

The PvT discussion:

Painuser: "Armor and guardian shield allow zealots to absorb an extra 15 - 20 hits, and statistically speaking, they're a good unit"
iNcontroL and Tyler: Giant rant about something that Painuser never even said.
Painuser: "Thors absorb a tonne of front-loaded damage"
iNcontroL: Bunch of argumentative bullshit that has nothing to do with what Painuser said.

Etc etc etc.

Basically, it seemed like Painuser was just trying to share some interesting thoughts on the match-up/possible strategies and the other guys just instantly shit on anything he said. It's just disappointing to hear supposed 'pros' dismissing ideas out of hand based on red herring 'arguments' when there could have been something to gain from discussing those ideas.

Personally I can't understand why iNcontroL would be against his meatshield units being better meatshields (with +1 armor), because that's what it sounded like. All I heard was argument for the sake of argument, or at best argument for the sake of proving Protoss is worse off.

But truthfully the worst thing is that you didn't even give your guest the benefit of the doubt. We hear your thoughts every week, and although I can understand the arguing with guests like Artosis, it really shouldn't be that way with guests like Painuser (who was dam good, btw) whose thoughts we may not hear again (though I hope we do).

TL;DR: Let your guests talk a bit more before jumping all over them. We hear you guys every week, we may never hear them again.

(I'm aware that Painuser was remarkably good spirited about it all btw... But I'm saying this more for the sake of the content in the podcast rather than for the sake of your guests)


Do you play terran by any chance?


I don't see how that's relevant, but no.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 12:30:28
November 18 2010 12:26 GMT
#4880
On November 18 2010 20:28 Swede wrote:
Great cast for the most part, but allow me to submit a little criticism which may or may not be constructive (depends what you do with it):

The PvT discussion:

Painuser: "Armor and guardian shield allow zealots to absorb an extra 15 - 20 hits, and statistically speaking, they're a good unit"
iNcontroL and Tyler: Giant rant about something that Painuser never even said.
Painuser: "Thors absorb a tonne of front-loaded damage"
iNcontroL: Bunch of argumentative bullshit that has nothing to do with what Painuser said.

Etc etc etc.

Basically, it seemed like Painuser was just trying to share some interesting thoughts on the match-up/possible strategies and the other guys just instantly shit on anything he said. It's just disappointing to hear supposed 'pros' dismissing ideas out of hand based on red herring 'arguments' when there could have been something to gain from discussing those ideas.

Personally I can't understand why iNcontroL would be against his meatshield units being better meatshields (with +1 armor), because that's what it sounded like. All I heard was argument for the sake of argument, or at best argument for the sake of proving Protoss is worse off.

But truthfully the worst thing is that you didn't even give your guest the benefit of the doubt. We hear your thoughts every week, and although I can understand the arguing with guests like Artosis, it really shouldn't be that way with guests like Painuser (who was dam good, btw) whose thoughts we may not hear again (though I hope we do).

TL;DR: Let your guests talk a bit more before jumping all over them. We hear you guys every week, we may never hear them again.

(I'm aware that Painuser was remarkably good spirited about it all btw... But I'm saying this more for the sake of the content in the podcast rather than for the sake of your guests)


LOL, its funny because I felt the EXACT opposite when I listened to the podcast. Tyler and InControl, were trying to tell their problems, and all PainUser had to say was "I dunno man, I think you need to figure it out, but its not imbalanced".

Especially the Banshee vs DT argument was cringe worthy. How can anyone in their right mind say that DTs are better than Banshees? I mean I would take Banshees over DTs any day of the week and twice on Sundays. You can 100% retreat with Banshees after a harass if you're not retarded or dont overcommit. But how on earth do you retreat with DTs which get slowed and clusterfucked by concussive shells? Basically DTs become a commitment and you HAVE to do insane damage with the DT (150 Min, 125 gas) because you essentially throw away the unit, so you're praying to do crazy damage. Not to mention the tech is not dead end by any means. Your starport still continues to produce medivacs/ravens and Banshees are excellent units to have anyways just as pure damage dealers.

Ridiculous.
Envy fan since NTH.
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