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ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
November 17 2010 22:43 GMT
#4821
dts are also faster, perma cloaked and can be warped in anywhere on the map

just sayin
Kishkumen
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States650 Posts
November 17 2010 22:45 GMT
#4822
I really liked hearing Painuser talk about things. The stats-based approach really appeals to me. It reminds me of TLO, and it's definitely something that's been missing from the perspectives on SotG. It was also nice to hear opinions from a talented Terran player. I would enjoy it if he returned in the future.

Also, iNcontroL mentioned going over to Artosis's house. Personally, I think it would be just about the funniest thing ever if they did a video of Artosis laddering while iNcontroL makes snide comments behind him and tries to distract him. Basically, they could do something like (but not necessarily) a live Team Liquid Attack. I always thought it'd be funny to watch a TLA with Artosis, and having iNcontroL there in the room with him would be even better.
Weird, last time I checked the UN said you need to have at least 200 APM and be rainbow league to be called human. —Liquid`TLO
znowstorm
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia281 Posts
November 17 2010 22:47 GMT
#4823
Great sotg. I laughed pretty hard at "3rd expansion...trouble"

On November 18 2010 04:32 Antoine wrote:
(P)TesteR lost to 꼬마 (link to his bnet profile), who was tied with (T)Jinro for 124th on the Korean top 200 that was just released yesterday. 꼬마 also beat (Z)RevivaL during the qualifiers, and eventually won his group. His interview is spoilered below, thanks to CanucksJC for translating it. Everybody should read it as it's quite hilarious.
+ Show Spoiler +

Q. How does it feel to advance?
A. I think it was purely on luck. I'm worried that I might get knocked out in the round of 64 without showing much. I knew TSL_sSKS from the online game Chaos, and it was too bad that I ran into him in the first round. There was some lag at the start, that's probably why he lost.

Q. How did you practice?
A. I practiced daily for 12 hours without a clan. I think I learn better if someone gives me tips, so I want to try practicing in a team house. When I was 20, I played WC3 really hard and dreamed of becoming a progamer, but my parents disagreed and I went to the army. I think I have the talent to play games, so I think I can do well if I try really hard.

Q. You sound like you played Chaos for a long time.
A. I was a heavy Chaos user playing under the ROMANG clan.

Q. Are you confident about the main event?
A. If you play me in the round of 64, it'll be easy to get to the round of 32. I want to enjoy the games rather than to be obsessed over winning.

Q. Do you have plans on being a progamer?
A. I'm going to play games until the end of next year. If I don't get good results by then, I'm going to go to my hometown and start farming.

Q. What is your goal this season?
A. If I get Code A, I'm going to start believing in a religion.

Q. Any comments?
A. For my first game, I will personally write a cheerful saying 'Here, take it'. I stream my Chaos games on Afreeca and many people supported me, so big thanks to them.


I am rooting for this guy now!!!!
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-17 22:53:55
November 17 2010 22:52 GMT
#4824
Sorry if it's been mentioned but on Painuser questioning the last 5 players invited for Dreamhack instead of him - they weren't invited, they qualified. Only the first 15 got invited and those are pretty solid names.

slam
Profile Joined May 2010
United States923 Posts
November 17 2010 22:54 GMT
#4825
On November 18 2010 07:47 znowstorm wrote:
Great sotg. I laughed pretty hard at "3rd expansion...trouble"

Show nested quote +
On November 18 2010 04:32 Antoine wrote:
(P)TesteR lost to 꼬마 (link to his bnet profile), who was tied with (T)Jinro for 124th on the Korean top 200 that was just released yesterday. 꼬마 also beat (Z)RevivaL during the qualifiers, and eventually won his group. His interview is spoilered below, thanks to CanucksJC for translating it. Everybody should read it as it's quite hilarious.
+ Show Spoiler +

Q. How does it feel to advance?
A. I think it was purely on luck. I'm worried that I might get knocked out in the round of 64 without showing much. I knew TSL_sSKS from the online game Chaos, and it was too bad that I ran into him in the first round. There was some lag at the start, that's probably why he lost.

Q. How did you practice?
A. I practiced daily for 12 hours without a clan. I think I learn better if someone gives me tips, so I want to try practicing in a team house. When I was 20, I played WC3 really hard and dreamed of becoming a progamer, but my parents disagreed and I went to the army. I think I have the talent to play games, so I think I can do well if I try really hard.

Q. You sound like you played Chaos for a long time.
A. I was a heavy Chaos user playing under the ROMANG clan.

Q. Are you confident about the main event?
A. If you play me in the round of 64, it'll be easy to get to the round of 32. I want to enjoy the games rather than to be obsessed over winning.

Q. Do you have plans on being a progamer?
A. I'm going to play games until the end of next year. If I don't get good results by then, I'm going to go to my hometown and start farming.

Q. What is your goal this season?
A. If I get Code A, I'm going to start believing in a religion.

Q. Any comments?
A. For my first game, I will personally write a cheerful saying 'Here, take it'. I stream my Chaos games on Afreeca and many people supported me, so big thanks to them.


I am rooting for this guy now!!!!
Wow.
This guy is fucking awesome. Great interview. I will also be rooting for this guy.
I get it.
tyrless
Profile Joined July 2010
United States485 Posts
November 17 2010 23:02 GMT
#4826
Agree that Painuser makes a good guest, because more important than his solid understanding of the game is his knowledge of the scene in general, and his personality fits the room.
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
November 17 2010 23:19 GMT
#4827
Thank you for the encouragement Tyler. As a fellow philosophy major and current law student... You have shit on my life. Afk writing memos, outlining, and drinking myself to death.
I cant stop lactating
timbo
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom70 Posts
November 17 2010 23:19 GMT
#4828
These pdocasts are still great stuff. Love how these are getting longer and longer but still keeping just as entertaining. Might be good to find a way to break them up a little bit though as there is no clear timing when the topic changes. Makes it difficult when trying to find and relisten to a specific discussion, especially in a podcast as long as 2-3hours. Maybe have a list of topics that are each introduced with a specific jingle or something to highlight the transitions. Something to make it abit more structured.
Contagious
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1319 Posts
November 17 2010 23:20 GMT
#4829
On November 18 2010 04:32 Antoine wrote:
(P)TesteR lost to 꼬마 (link to his bnet profile), who was tied with (T)Jinro for 124th on the Korean top 200 that was just released yesterday. 꼬마 also beat (Z)RevivaL during the qualifiers, and eventually won his group. His interview is spoilered below, thanks to CanucksJC for translating it. Everybody should read it as it's quite hilarious.
+ Show Spoiler +

Q. How does it feel to advance?
A. I think it was purely on luck. I'm worried that I might get knocked out in the round of 64 without showing much. I knew TSL_sSKS from the online game Chaos, and it was too bad that I ran into him in the first round. There was some lag at the start, that's probably why he lost.

Q. How did you practice?
A. I practiced daily for 12 hours without a clan. I think I learn better if someone gives me tips, so I want to try practicing in a team house. When I was 20, I played WC3 really hard and dreamed of becoming a progamer, but my parents disagreed and I went to the army. I think I have the talent to play games, so I think I can do well if I try really hard.

Q. You sound like you played Chaos for a long time.
A. I was a heavy Chaos user playing under the ROMANG clan.

Q. Are you confident about the main event?
A. If you play me in the round of 64, it'll be easy to get to the round of 32. I want to enjoy the games rather than to be obsessed over winning.

Q. Do you have plans on being a progamer?
A. I'm going to play games until the end of next year. If I don't get good results by then, I'm going to go to my hometown and start farming.

Q. What is your goal this season?
A. If I get Code A, I'm going to start believing in a religion.

Q. Any comments?
A. For my first game, I will personally write a cheerful saying 'Here, take it'. I stream my Chaos games on Afreeca and many people supported me, so big thanks to them.


hahaha this guy is the shit. Hopefully this is an accurate translation? xD
Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
November 17 2010 23:27 GMT
#4830
I like how NonY's answer when he was asked if he regretted sacrificing anything due to pro-gaming boiled down to "no I was pretty good at everything anyway." Keep up the good work guys.
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
November 17 2010 23:40 GMT
#4831
PainUser was a great addition to this cast. I like how he backed up his arguments with numbers. Terrans finally have a guy who understands the weaknesses and strengths of Terran and can talk back to the silly Protoss. Banshees better than DTs? Banshees are so easy to scout out and take so long to produce out of a single tech lab'd starport. Compare that with DTs which can be warped 4 at a time anywhere you've got a pylon.
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
November 17 2010 23:53 GMT
#4832
I agree with everyone saying that PainUser should become a permanent addition to the cast. He seems like such a chill and funny guy and seems to have good chemistry with everyone on the show. Really liked this episode, and thank you all for the show :D
Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
November 17 2010 23:53 GMT
#4833
If the stab over the internet device was a reality I would've used it on Painuser upon hearing.

..." I would rather have dts than banshees"...

Other than that I loved the arguments brought up and to a certain extent agree with Painuser on the fact that lots of protoss forget that in the mid-late game carrier storm is pretty damn good. As long as its timed right with the mmm -> mech transition.

I guess at lower levels of plays you see more of this because its either viable or just people not being as refined with their pressure. But once its there its pretty strong. Socke is probably the best toss at showing this on high level play.
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-18 00:08:22
November 17 2010 23:59 GMT
#4834
I laughed SO hard at the "had he killed the third...... trouble!" I hope Incontrol listens to the final version to see how inadvertently hilarious he was on top of his usual shenanigans.
Raine
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada210 Posts
November 18 2010 00:09 GMT
#4835
On November 18 2010 07:43 ZekZ wrote:
dts are also faster, perma cloaked and can be warped in anywhere on the map

just sayin


Banshees fly.. And when your only type of detection is obs and cannons. They're a pain to deal with.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
November 18 2010 00:59 GMT
#4836
Please dont add anyone with the static/background crap to the cast sound quality just becomes so bad and listening to the noise for ages i.e 1-2 hours is really annoying
pezit
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden302 Posts
November 18 2010 01:18 GMT
#4837
On November 18 2010 08:40 KevinIX wrote:
PainUser was a great addition to this cast. I like how he backed up his arguments with numbers. Terrans finally have a guy who understands the weaknesses and strengths of Terran and can talk back to the silly Protoss. Banshees better than DTs? Banshees are so easy to scout out and take so long to produce out of a single tech lab'd starport. Compare that with DTs which can be warped 4 at a time anywhere you've got a pylon.


Banshee's have range, they do ok even if the opponent gets detection, they build from a building that you will want anyway cause it also builds a staple unit that you'll want in every single game, banshee's are also a good harassment unit before you research cloak.

DT's are melee but have extremely good damage so if you surprise the opponent they'll probably outright kill the opponent. This doesn't work against terran though since they can just scan. DT's are low health and as i said earlier melee so once the opponent gets detection they're pretty much worthless. And as inControl mentioned the tech path is just horribly crippling to protoss, first of all you won't get observers anytime soon so especially against terrans it's a huge risk / all-in and the building cost is pretty much wasted when it's countered since it doesn't give you anything but the DT.

If i was playing terran and could swap banshee for DT even if they were the same cost i wouldn't do it, banshees are just superior units which incontrol and tyler seems to agree with.
Glam
Profile Joined September 2010
United States325 Posts
November 18 2010 01:29 GMT
#4838
On November 18 2010 05:24 Raiznhell wrote:
i almost completely disagree with iNcontroL and Liquid'Tyler about the whole TvP cloack issue in that scan is harldy a counter for dts as normally people send in dts one at a time to waste scans and plus to deal with banshees... what protoss beside a cheesy 4 gateing noobtoss doesnt get a robo against terran.... every unit out of the robo is exetremely effective against terran. even a forge and getting photon cannons is just as good as a terran missle turret except better because it can also attack ground targets...

I think aside from going 4 gate builds protoss doesnt have many excuse to die to cloaked units than any other race.

my opinion on TvP in general is they need to nerf marauders, nerf sentries, buff stalkers, nerf blink somehow to compensate and then buff siege tanks i think most of the SotG would agree here becasue all of them complain about marauders strengths and no tank variation from terrans.

regardless i think it was an awesome SotG really proud of iNcontroL despite not qualifying.



To me, this is the exact problem. It's the one building that keeps us from losing straight up thanks to build orders (like banshees). Because of it, the options are narrowed down incredibly, so the terran has very little guesswork.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
November 18 2010 02:30 GMT
#4839
I died a little inside when Taylor said he would rather have DT's than Banshees...I just...I can't...what the fuck
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-19 10:14:59
November 18 2010 02:32 GMT
#4840
I guess Geoff doesn't remember his comments about Select with live-on-3 guys after MLG Dallas.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10715149 around 19:25 for a refresher

EDIT: Yeah I meant 1:19:25. Thanks dcemuser. Not exactly the friendliest words from iNcontroL, but I guess he was feeling the effects of the party.
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