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maybe a solution to the arguing is that last show and similar shows are called sotg: news special (with sundance) or something like that.
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Thanks for the Infomation about the Kespar MLG stuff also I don't like the way Sundance is advertising his products. Good to have some information about the deal. I hope to see the true cast again next week. Thanks as always. I really like the SOTG table. :D
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 16:53 Wychwood wrote:On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media. Hey JP, not sure if you will see this amongst the maelstrom that is the SotG thread on TL but I feel like I need to speak up. I am worried that what I will say may come off as fandom or bias in itself, but I feel like now is the time to say it. State of the Game is an amazing production. You have been the driving force behind what is now far and above the most revered and respected show for Starcraft 2 and its mere existence is a huge asset to our community. The wealth of knowledge which appears on the show on a weekly basis is astonishing. This is an asset of the community which you have chosen to share, and worked damn hard to present (free of charge) to everyone. What you have done is amazingly admirable and I personally hope you continue to do so for a long time. The only problem that comes from any of this is a tiny portion of the community who are toxic. Their seeming hatred for what someone has put hundreds of hours of work into is completely unacceptable. The flip side of having such a vibrant and vocal community is that they can turn very quickly. I wish I had more insight into the 'pitchforks' mentality and how it worked as this may give some solution for how to stop its very negative and destructive force in the community.However, how to deal with this is a genuine problem which I don't think there is a solution to right now beyond ignoring it. There is something actually useful behind the phrases 'don't feed the trolls' and 'haters gonna hate' which is applicable here. Speaking to the particular episode in question here: Anyone who criticises the fact that Sundance couldn't give full answers to incontrol's questions clearly has no idea how the world works. Especially in the business world, not everything can be made public. It might be because of a personal reason from someone involved, it might be that the full disclosure must have to wait until a later date. I don't even want to shit on incontrol for asking these questions, even though he most likely knew that Sundance would be unable to answer. In fact, it is good that he asked the questions. There is no necessity that MLG simply saying 'exclusive' would be in any way a bad thing. From the sounds of it, Sundance has a position of responsibility when it comes to KEPSA players playing abroad. Perhaps there might be too much power in one person's hands with this. However, if he has already made an arrangement for getting KESPA players to be involved in foreign events, he might actually be the direct contact with KESPA which the foreign scene needs with the BW pros coming. People need to trust how this goes. Based on what has been announced so far, there is precisely no reason why any of this is a bad thing. I can understand that the community may mistrust KESPA's involvement and see Sundance as the evil figurehead of the business world, but there is nothing to fear about the situation as it is. I would be more than happy to reconsider my position trusting this situation as soon as any party involved does something which breaks that trust. I just don't want to see anyone shit to such an extent without any actual reason to. TL:DR State of the Game is extremely valuable to the community and people shitting on JP and Sundance is a SERIOUS problem.
If they can't release any real info they shouldn't be on the show. This is why people are upset, its just sundance advertising it's not even a show.
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I am personally grateful for SOTG bringing on sundance and doing an MLG focused show.
also,
bias in US media? NO FUCKING WAY THAT NEVER HAPPENS?!?!?!?!!?
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On May 12 2012 16:56 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 16:53 Wychwood wrote:On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media. Hey JP, not sure if you will see this amongst the maelstrom that is the SotG thread on TL but I feel like I need to speak up. I am worried that what I will say may come off as fandom or bias in itself, but I feel like now is the time to say it. State of the Game is an amazing production. You have been the driving force behind what is now far and above the most revered and respected show for Starcraft 2 and its mere existence is a huge asset to our community. The wealth of knowledge which appears on the show on a weekly basis is astonishing. This is an asset of the community which you have chosen to share, and worked damn hard to present (free of charge) to everyone. What you have done is amazingly admirable and I personally hope you continue to do so for a long time. The only problem that comes from any of this is a tiny portion of the community who are toxic. Their seeming hatred for what someone has put hundreds of hours of work into is completely unacceptable. The flip side of having such a vibrant and vocal community is that they can turn very quickly. I wish I had more insight into the 'pitchforks' mentality and how it worked as this may give some solution for how to stop its very negative and destructive force in the community.However, how to deal with this is a genuine problem which I don't think there is a solution to right now beyond ignoring it. There is something actually useful behind the phrases 'don't feed the trolls' and 'haters gonna hate' which is applicable here. Speaking to the particular episode in question here: Anyone who criticises the fact that Sundance couldn't give full answers to incontrol's questions clearly has no idea how the world works. Especially in the business world, not everything can be made public. It might be because of a personal reason from someone involved, it might be that the full disclosure must have to wait until a later date. I don't even want to shit on incontrol for asking these questions, even though he most likely knew that Sundance would be unable to answer. In fact, it is good that he asked the questions. There is no necessity that MLG simply saying 'exclusive' would be in any way a bad thing. From the sounds of it, Sundance has a position of responsibility when it comes to KEPSA players playing abroad. Perhaps there might be too much power in one person's hands with this. However, if he has already made an arrangement for getting KESPA players to be involved in foreign events, he might actually be the direct contact with KESPA which the foreign scene needs with the BW pros coming. People need to trust how this goes. Based on what has been announced so far, there is precisely no reason why any of this is a bad thing. I can understand that the community may mistrust KESPA's involvement and see Sundance as the evil figurehead of the business world, but there is nothing to fear about the situation as it is. I would be more than happy to reconsider my position trusting this situation as soon as any party involved does something which breaks that trust. I just don't want to see anyone shit to such an extent without any actual reason to. TL:DR State of the Game is extremely valuable to the community and people shitting on JP and Sundance is a SERIOUS problem. If they can't release any real info they shouldn't be on the show. This is why people are upset, its just sundance advertising it's not even a show.
I found it informative, if you didn't then its understandable. But to pretty much crap on JP for it is pathetic. If you had a problem with a show then its best to voice your opinion in a respectable manner, not just flame him like an 8 year old. He does a ton for the community and even if he didnt still deserves to be respected as a person. You didn't like the show, I did. Neither one of us is wrong and neither one of us should be disrespectful towards a guy who gave us FREE content. Also you can definitely voice your opinion on who you would like to see as a guest but to make a statement like the above statement is pretty ridiculous. Who are you to decide who should and shouldn't be a guest on SotG?
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cool infos =)
cant wait to have more!
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On May 12 2012 17:01 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 16:56 Esoterikk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 16:53 Wychwood wrote:On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media. Hey JP, not sure if you will see this amongst the maelstrom that is the SotG thread on TL but I feel like I need to speak up. I am worried that what I will say may come off as fandom or bias in itself, but I feel like now is the time to say it. State of the Game is an amazing production. You have been the driving force behind what is now far and above the most revered and respected show for Starcraft 2 and its mere existence is a huge asset to our community. The wealth of knowledge which appears on the show on a weekly basis is astonishing. This is an asset of the community which you have chosen to share, and worked damn hard to present (free of charge) to everyone. What you have done is amazingly admirable and I personally hope you continue to do so for a long time. The only problem that comes from any of this is a tiny portion of the community who are toxic. Their seeming hatred for what someone has put hundreds of hours of work into is completely unacceptable. The flip side of having such a vibrant and vocal community is that they can turn very quickly. I wish I had more insight into the 'pitchforks' mentality and how it worked as this may give some solution for how to stop its very negative and destructive force in the community.However, how to deal with this is a genuine problem which I don't think there is a solution to right now beyond ignoring it. There is something actually useful behind the phrases 'don't feed the trolls' and 'haters gonna hate' which is applicable here. Speaking to the particular episode in question here: Anyone who criticises the fact that Sundance couldn't give full answers to incontrol's questions clearly has no idea how the world works. Especially in the business world, not everything can be made public. It might be because of a personal reason from someone involved, it might be that the full disclosure must have to wait until a later date. I don't even want to shit on incontrol for asking these questions, even though he most likely knew that Sundance would be unable to answer. In fact, it is good that he asked the questions. There is no necessity that MLG simply saying 'exclusive' would be in any way a bad thing. From the sounds of it, Sundance has a position of responsibility when it comes to KEPSA players playing abroad. Perhaps there might be too much power in one person's hands with this. However, if he has already made an arrangement for getting KESPA players to be involved in foreign events, he might actually be the direct contact with KESPA which the foreign scene needs with the BW pros coming. People need to trust how this goes. Based on what has been announced so far, there is precisely no reason why any of this is a bad thing. I can understand that the community may mistrust KESPA's involvement and see Sundance as the evil figurehead of the business world, but there is nothing to fear about the situation as it is. I would be more than happy to reconsider my position trusting this situation as soon as any party involved does something which breaks that trust. I just don't want to see anyone shit to such an extent without any actual reason to. TL:DR State of the Game is extremely valuable to the community and people shitting on JP and Sundance is a SERIOUS problem. If they can't release any real info they shouldn't be on the show. This is why people are upset, its just sundance advertising it's not even a show. I found it informative, if you didn't then its understandable. But to pretty much crap on JP for it is pathetic. If you had a problem with a show then its best to voice your opinion in a respectable manner, not just flame him like an 8 year old. He does a ton for the community and even if he didnt still deserves to be respected as a person. You didn't like the show, I did. Neither one of us is wrong and neither one of us should be disrespectful towards a guy who gave us FREE content.
I personally haven't said anything ill about JP other than he is acting like a self entitled ass with his rant. I don't agree with the show being someplace for sundance to advertise and didn't watch it and until JP made his melodramatic post I kept it to myself.
It's the internet, if you can't handle criticism from angry people you should probably not be part of a large internet community. Especially when it's your job.
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Dude JP, don't take these trolls seriously. They are just bunch of losers who are only vocals online. In real life, they will never able to contribute to eSports much as you do. Keep up the good work!
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On May 12 2012 17:04 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:01 takingbackoj wrote:On May 12 2012 16:56 Esoterikk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 16:53 Wychwood wrote:On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media. Hey JP, not sure if you will see this amongst the maelstrom that is the SotG thread on TL but I feel like I need to speak up. I am worried that what I will say may come off as fandom or bias in itself, but I feel like now is the time to say it. State of the Game is an amazing production. You have been the driving force behind what is now far and above the most revered and respected show for Starcraft 2 and its mere existence is a huge asset to our community. The wealth of knowledge which appears on the show on a weekly basis is astonishing. This is an asset of the community which you have chosen to share, and worked damn hard to present (free of charge) to everyone. What you have done is amazingly admirable and I personally hope you continue to do so for a long time. The only problem that comes from any of this is a tiny portion of the community who are toxic. Their seeming hatred for what someone has put hundreds of hours of work into is completely unacceptable. The flip side of having such a vibrant and vocal community is that they can turn very quickly. I wish I had more insight into the 'pitchforks' mentality and how it worked as this may give some solution for how to stop its very negative and destructive force in the community.However, how to deal with this is a genuine problem which I don't think there is a solution to right now beyond ignoring it. There is something actually useful behind the phrases 'don't feed the trolls' and 'haters gonna hate' which is applicable here. Speaking to the particular episode in question here: Anyone who criticises the fact that Sundance couldn't give full answers to incontrol's questions clearly has no idea how the world works. Especially in the business world, not everything can be made public. It might be because of a personal reason from someone involved, it might be that the full disclosure must have to wait until a later date. I don't even want to shit on incontrol for asking these questions, even though he most likely knew that Sundance would be unable to answer. In fact, it is good that he asked the questions. There is no necessity that MLG simply saying 'exclusive' would be in any way a bad thing. From the sounds of it, Sundance has a position of responsibility when it comes to KEPSA players playing abroad. Perhaps there might be too much power in one person's hands with this. However, if he has already made an arrangement for getting KESPA players to be involved in foreign events, he might actually be the direct contact with KESPA which the foreign scene needs with the BW pros coming. People need to trust how this goes. Based on what has been announced so far, there is precisely no reason why any of this is a bad thing. I can understand that the community may mistrust KESPA's involvement and see Sundance as the evil figurehead of the business world, but there is nothing to fear about the situation as it is. I would be more than happy to reconsider my position trusting this situation as soon as any party involved does something which breaks that trust. I just don't want to see anyone shit to such an extent without any actual reason to. TL:DR State of the Game is extremely valuable to the community and people shitting on JP and Sundance is a SERIOUS problem. If they can't release any real info they shouldn't be on the show. This is why people are upset, its just sundance advertising it's not even a show. I found it informative, if you didn't then its understandable. But to pretty much crap on JP for it is pathetic. If you had a problem with a show then its best to voice your opinion in a respectable manner, not just flame him like an 8 year old. He does a ton for the community and even if he didnt still deserves to be respected as a person. You didn't like the show, I did. Neither one of us is wrong and neither one of us should be disrespectful towards a guy who gave us FREE content. I personally haven't said anything ill about JP other than he is acting like a self entitled ass with his rant. I don't agree with the show being someplace for sundance to advertise and didn't watch it and until JP made his melodramatic post I kept it to myself. It's the internet, if you can't handle criticism from angry people you should probably not be part of a large internet community. Especially when it's your job.
So since its the internet then its alright for people to act like jerks? I dont subscribe to that theory. Yes there are trolls all over the internet but that isn't a good thing. And even though there isn't much people can do about it, it shouldn't be accepted as just the way it is. It goes two ways you know, JP was obviously angry, does he not have the same right as everyone else by your logic to be just as critical of us as we have been with him? Or is it since we aren't professionals like him we have more of a right to be ignorant on internet forums then him. I have no problem with JP telling it like it is and dishing it back to people as hard as they dish it to him. I don't know where this culture of flaming people and then hiding behind the fact that they are professionals so they aren't allowed to come back at us came from, but its sad.
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JP, don't let criticism get to you. The negative people are always the most vocal, the people that have good things to say rarely do.
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Ugh this bothers me.
The reality is the show has the most crossover appeal in the entire community, and deserves better treatment. I have friends with light Starcraft interest, they can't watch streams, they won't stomach Day9, but SotG they can do.
There have been mistakes lately, sure citing the Sundance impromptu as a SotG is a semantics goof, but not the main stress causing problem here. Everyone knows the community is at ends with this property because a decline in effort.
Its had the same sketchy Xsplit overlays for 2 months and Day9 hasn't showed up this year. The talking points are too loose and madly skewed to the things the host is most familiar with (his job). The pipeline on guests has been plugged solid and if its not someone immediately accessible to EG/MLG or similar, its basically no one.
There is little to brighten the show up in terms of its format. No video, no slides, no special segments, little community interaction. The subhosts have little control, opportunity, or perhaps will to contribute. Structure-wise always thrown from main host to sub host rigidly. Half the time guys seem to zone out and start surfing the net.
If this is a workload thing I would gladly volunteer support for the project, I know others would as well. Make a street team.
But I don't expect that, nonetheless I'd still like to poke in with some constructive input. A few suggestions.
1.) Start a subreddit (or similar vote website) where the community decides the topics for the weekly show. The voting emphasis on them will decide the amount of time spent/interest. Make a cut off at a certain point for more general topics to get discussed the next week. If certain important things were omitted, make sure they get some mention. (GSL results) Get a mod to reset/delete the topics on after each show.
2.)On overlays/slides/etc, the show was already submitted community art that was much better than the stuff being used in a reddit post, petitioning for more would be easy. But it deserves usage if you are just going to pop up a gradient otherwise. If there is professional Art coming for the Giant Bomb~ move then use that stuff as a bandaid, its out there waiting to make things better.
3.)Guests are important to the show, and important to communal growth. Even if its not someone who is best friend's with all the hosts. The unique catalysts an unknown can bring could make a very good show, and cause positive things for the lesser known person's career. Open the doors to the boys club sometimes. (Retain the classic just pillars shows, but as a sporadic thing, not a 90:10 ratio)
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MLG advert sponsored by MLG isn't very good news flash. This is why something like Starcast who might not have the branding power is still far more important than "MLG Of The Game"
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Personally, I came back from my shitty day at McDonalds and enjoyed the free content. Broadcasts like "The Instance" and "State of the Game" keep the game relevant to me.
Well it's 3:20 am, time to get ready to go back to my faaaaaaavorite employer.
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On May 12 2012 16:56 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 16:53 Wychwood wrote:On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media. Hey JP, not sure if you will see this amongst the maelstrom that is the SotG thread on TL but I feel like I need to speak up. I am worried that what I will say may come off as fandom or bias in itself, but I feel like now is the time to say it. State of the Game is an amazing production. You have been the driving force behind what is now far and above the most revered and respected show for Starcraft 2 and its mere existence is a huge asset to our community. The wealth of knowledge which appears on the show on a weekly basis is astonishing. This is an asset of the community which you have chosen to share, and worked damn hard to present (free of charge) to everyone. What you have done is amazingly admirable and I personally hope you continue to do so for a long time. The only problem that comes from any of this is a tiny portion of the community who are toxic. Their seeming hatred for what someone has put hundreds of hours of work into is completely unacceptable. The flip side of having such a vibrant and vocal community is that they can turn very quickly. I wish I had more insight into the 'pitchforks' mentality and how it worked as this may give some solution for how to stop its very negative and destructive force in the community.However, how to deal with this is a genuine problem which I don't think there is a solution to right now beyond ignoring it. There is something actually useful behind the phrases 'don't feed the trolls' and 'haters gonna hate' which is applicable here. Speaking to the particular episode in question here: Anyone who criticises the fact that Sundance couldn't give full answers to incontrol's questions clearly has no idea how the world works. Especially in the business world, not everything can be made public. It might be because of a personal reason from someone involved, it might be that the full disclosure must have to wait until a later date. I don't even want to shit on incontrol for asking these questions, even though he most likely knew that Sundance would be unable to answer. In fact, it is good that he asked the questions. There is no necessity that MLG simply saying 'exclusive' would be in any way a bad thing. From the sounds of it, Sundance has a position of responsibility when it comes to KEPSA players playing abroad. Perhaps there might be too much power in one person's hands with this. However, if he has already made an arrangement for getting KESPA players to be involved in foreign events, he might actually be the direct contact with KESPA which the foreign scene needs with the BW pros coming. People need to trust how this goes. Based on what has been announced so far, there is precisely no reason why any of this is a bad thing. I can understand that the community may mistrust KESPA's involvement and see Sundance as the evil figurehead of the business world, but there is nothing to fear about the situation as it is. I would be more than happy to reconsider my position trusting this situation as soon as any party involved does something which breaks that trust. I just don't want to see anyone shit to such an extent without any actual reason to. TL:DR State of the Game is extremely valuable to the community and people shitting on JP and Sundance is a SERIOUS problem. If they can't release any real info they shouldn't be on the show. This is why people are upset, its just sundance advertising it's not even a show.
Your comment implies that you don't seem to appreciate what the show offers, particularly from this episode. You are sounding, intentionally or unintentionally, very entitled. I do not mean this in an insulting way, it is merely a comment based entirely on what you have said. MLG made a big announcement and as such JP organised this show (at the last minute without 99% of his show resources) in order to help get out as much information out of sundance and to the community as possible at this point. The community shouldn't be upset that this wasn't as much as they wanted at this time.
I feel saying that "it's not even a show" is unfair to SotG and JP. The community deemed the show's contents to be insufficient based on its own arbitrary definition of 'sufficient content' which it has set for everything. This is entitlement: and vocally reacting badly to something which it doesn't feel was sufficient is poisonous. The community should look at what the show did give rather than what else it could have given, even if it doesn't see the show as having given any new insights. It should still be appreciated for exposing the fact that no new information is available at this time. At any rate, none of these outcomes are any excuse for hate mongering.
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This community doesn't deserve nice things.
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On May 12 2012 16:53 Wychwood wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media. Hey JP, not sure if you will see this amongst the maelstrom that is the SotG thread on TL but I feel like I need to speak up. I am worried that what I will say may come off as fandom or bias in itself, but I feel like now is the time to say it. State of the Game is an amazing production. You have been the driving force behind what is now far and above the most revered and respected show for Starcraft 2 and its mere existence is a huge asset to our community. The wealth of knowledge which appears on the show on a weekly basis is astonishing. This is an asset of the community which you have chosen to share, and worked damn hard to present (free of charge) to everyone. What you have done is amazingly admirable and I personally hope you continue to do so for a long time. The only problem that comes from any of this is a tiny portion of the community who are toxic. Their seeming hatred for what someone has put hundreds of hours of work into is completely unacceptable. The flip side of having such a vibrant and vocal community is that they can turn very quickly. I wish I had more insight into the 'pitchforks' mentality and how it worked as this may give some solution for how to stop its very negative and destructive force in the community.However, how to deal with this is a genuine problem which I don't think there is a solution to right now beyond ignoring it. There is something actually useful behind the phrases 'don't feed the trolls' and 'haters gonna hate' which is applicable here. Speaking to the particular episode in question here: Anyone who criticises the fact that Sundance couldn't give full answers to incontrol's questions clearly has no idea how the world works. Especially in the business world, not everything can be made public. It might be because of a personal reason from someone involved, it might be that the full disclosure must have to wait until a later date. I don't even want to shit on incontrol for asking these questions, even though he most likely knew that Sundance would be unable to answer. In fact, it is good that he asked the questions. There is no necessity that MLG simply saying 'exclusive' would be in any way a bad thing. From the sounds of it, Sundance has a position of responsibility when it comes to KEPSA players playing abroad. Perhaps there might be too much power in one person's hands with this. However, if he has already made an arrangement for getting KESPA players to be involved in foreign events, he might actually be the direct contact with KESPA which the foreign scene needs with the BW pros coming. People need to trust how this goes. Based on what has been announced so far, there is precisely no reason why any of this is a bad thing. I can understand that the community may mistrust KESPA's involvement and see Sundance as the evil figurehead of the business world, but there is nothing to fear about the situation as it is. I would be more than happy to reconsider my position trusting this situation as soon as any party involved does something which breaks that trust. I just don't want to see anyone shit to such an extent without any actual reason to. TL:DR State of the Game is extremely valuable to the community and people shitting on JP and Sundance is a SERIOUS problem.
actually its not a "serious problem" if the guys around sotg cant handle this ...well as jp said...he probably should just quit. this is in everything people do, there are actually people who express their opinion, if they like it or not, and the opinion is not always sunny. i really cant comprehend this whiny post of jp either...its like "hey guys i do stuff so u have to cheer me and tell me how awesome it is regardless of how u feel bout it" which is kinda...stupid
If u do something in the public there will always be people who dont like it, deal with it like a grown up and dont be a sissy, not that hard <:
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On May 12 2012 17:23 Fiercegore wrote:
This community doesn't deserve nice things.
Maybe they should take an indefinite hiatus until the free content is appreciated a little more or at least until people can be respectful and reasonable with the criticism.
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On May 12 2012 17:26 {ToT}ColmA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 16:53 Wychwood wrote:On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media. Hey JP, not sure if you will see this amongst the maelstrom that is the SotG thread on TL but I feel like I need to speak up. I am worried that what I will say may come off as fandom or bias in itself, but I feel like now is the time to say it. State of the Game is an amazing production. You have been the driving force behind what is now far and above the most revered and respected show for Starcraft 2 and its mere existence is a huge asset to our community. The wealth of knowledge which appears on the show on a weekly basis is astonishing. This is an asset of the community which you have chosen to share, and worked damn hard to present (free of charge) to everyone. What you have done is amazingly admirable and I personally hope you continue to do so for a long time. The only problem that comes from any of this is a tiny portion of the community who are toxic. Their seeming hatred for what someone has put hundreds of hours of work into is completely unacceptable. The flip side of having such a vibrant and vocal community is that they can turn very quickly. I wish I had more insight into the 'pitchforks' mentality and how it worked as this may give some solution for how to stop its very negative and destructive force in the community.However, how to deal with this is a genuine problem which I don't think there is a solution to right now beyond ignoring it. There is something actually useful behind the phrases 'don't feed the trolls' and 'haters gonna hate' which is applicable here. Speaking to the particular episode in question here: Anyone who criticises the fact that Sundance couldn't give full answers to incontrol's questions clearly has no idea how the world works. Especially in the business world, not everything can be made public. It might be because of a personal reason from someone involved, it might be that the full disclosure must have to wait until a later date. I don't even want to shit on incontrol for asking these questions, even though he most likely knew that Sundance would be unable to answer. In fact, it is good that he asked the questions. There is no necessity that MLG simply saying 'exclusive' would be in any way a bad thing. From the sounds of it, Sundance has a position of responsibility when it comes to KEPSA players playing abroad. Perhaps there might be too much power in one person's hands with this. However, if he has already made an arrangement for getting KESPA players to be involved in foreign events, he might actually be the direct contact with KESPA which the foreign scene needs with the BW pros coming. People need to trust how this goes. Based on what has been announced so far, there is precisely no reason why any of this is a bad thing. I can understand that the community may mistrust KESPA's involvement and see Sundance as the evil figurehead of the business world, but there is nothing to fear about the situation as it is. I would be more than happy to reconsider my position trusting this situation as soon as any party involved does something which breaks that trust. I just don't want to see anyone shit to such an extent without any actual reason to. TL:DR State of the Game is extremely valuable to the community and people shitting on JP and Sundance is a SERIOUS problem. actually its not a "serious problem" if the guys around sotg cant handle this ...well as jp said...he probably should just quit. this is in everything people do, there are actually people who express their opinion, if they like it or not, and the opinion is not always sunny. i really cant comprehend this whiny post of jp either...its like "hey guys i do stuff so u have to cheer me and tell me how awesome it is regardless of how u feel bout it" which is kinda...stupid If u do something in the public there will always be people who dont like it, deal with it like a grown up and dont be a sissy, not that hard <:
You're an idiot and your post is the most ignorant thing I have seen in a long time. You should never post again, its in everyones best interest. Since you posted in a public forum then I assume you will take no issue with my honest opinion.
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talking much much more about 8 player invitational mlg and only some minutes about dreamhack IS bias. and it annoyed me. if you have no effing clue about dreamhack other scenes, call it state of the na scene.
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On May 12 2012 17:31 takingbackoj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2012 17:26 {ToT}ColmA wrote:On May 12 2012 16:53 Wychwood wrote:On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.
The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.
The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media. Hey JP, not sure if you will see this amongst the maelstrom that is the SotG thread on TL but I feel like I need to speak up. I am worried that what I will say may come off as fandom or bias in itself, but I feel like now is the time to say it. State of the Game is an amazing production. You have been the driving force behind what is now far and above the most revered and respected show for Starcraft 2 and its mere existence is a huge asset to our community. The wealth of knowledge which appears on the show on a weekly basis is astonishing. This is an asset of the community which you have chosen to share, and worked damn hard to present (free of charge) to everyone. What you have done is amazingly admirable and I personally hope you continue to do so for a long time. The only problem that comes from any of this is a tiny portion of the community who are toxic. Their seeming hatred for what someone has put hundreds of hours of work into is completely unacceptable. The flip side of having such a vibrant and vocal community is that they can turn very quickly. I wish I had more insight into the 'pitchforks' mentality and how it worked as this may give some solution for how to stop its very negative and destructive force in the community.However, how to deal with this is a genuine problem which I don't think there is a solution to right now beyond ignoring it. There is something actually useful behind the phrases 'don't feed the trolls' and 'haters gonna hate' which is applicable here. Speaking to the particular episode in question here: Anyone who criticises the fact that Sundance couldn't give full answers to incontrol's questions clearly has no idea how the world works. Especially in the business world, not everything can be made public. It might be because of a personal reason from someone involved, it might be that the full disclosure must have to wait until a later date. I don't even want to shit on incontrol for asking these questions, even though he most likely knew that Sundance would be unable to answer. In fact, it is good that he asked the questions. There is no necessity that MLG simply saying 'exclusive' would be in any way a bad thing. From the sounds of it, Sundance has a position of responsibility when it comes to KEPSA players playing abroad. Perhaps there might be too much power in one person's hands with this. However, if he has already made an arrangement for getting KESPA players to be involved in foreign events, he might actually be the direct contact with KESPA which the foreign scene needs with the BW pros coming. People need to trust how this goes. Based on what has been announced so far, there is precisely no reason why any of this is a bad thing. I can understand that the community may mistrust KESPA's involvement and see Sundance as the evil figurehead of the business world, but there is nothing to fear about the situation as it is. I would be more than happy to reconsider my position trusting this situation as soon as any party involved does something which breaks that trust. I just don't want to see anyone shit to such an extent without any actual reason to. TL:DR State of the Game is extremely valuable to the community and people shitting on JP and Sundance is a SERIOUS problem. actually its not a "serious problem" if the guys around sotg cant handle this ...well as jp said...he probably should just quit. this is in everything people do, there are actually people who express their opinion, if they like it or not, and the opinion is not always sunny. i really cant comprehend this whiny post of jp either...its like "hey guys i do stuff so u have to cheer me and tell me how awesome it is regardless of how u feel bout it" which is kinda...stupid If u do something in the public there will always be people who dont like it, deal with it like a grown up and dont be a sissy, not that hard <: You're an idiot and your post is the most ignorant thing I have seen in a long time. You should never post again, its in everyones best interest. Since you posted in a public forum then I assume you will take no issue with my honest opinion.
You're under the impression that SOTG is entirely a privilege and that the viewers are irrelevant. And you're getting far too emotionally invested in this.
This all goes both ways. People do not like being blatantly advertised to. People also do, in fact, have the option to throw out constructive criticism to SOTG, and vote with their viewership.
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