Official State of the Game Podcast Thread - Page 2234

On May 12 2012 15:43 RayzorFlash wrote:
I feel today's show was mislabelled. It was not really a "State of the Game" show, since there was only 1 of the 4 pillars of the show present, and it was more of an interview with Sundance. I understand that exclusivity and getting the first chance to talk to Sundance since the big news was expected to drive lots of viewers to the show, but it needs to still be in the spirit of the actual show and concept.

I love the show, and I understand how frustrating it can be to be attacked for something where you were really just trying to keep the best interests of the people in mind, trying to get us the information you feel we deserve, but I feel like any future impromptu sessions like this should not be labelled as State of the Game since it is basically false advertising. I enjoyed the interview, and I hope you do more of them (maybe have a separate series, once a month just sit down with Sundance/Lee and have a round-table discussion about MLG and where it's going)

I tune in to State of the Game to see the pillars discuss happenings in the world of SC2 and present their opinions on news and stories which are relevant. I don't think interviews actually work all that well on the show because Geoff is the only one who actually ever asks questions. I feel like a round-table interview could work if every pillar prepared some questions, but it still wouldn't be what I tune into the show hoping to get.

State of the Game got successful due to the personalities on the show and their informative discussion, as well as their off-the-cuff humor. It didn't get famous because it was "indy". It didn't lose views because people on the show had opinions and biases. I feel that State of the Game has gotten so far from its roots that it is slowly becoming more and more uninteresting to me. I don't care if the episodes are scheduled, or if they're funded by MLG, or anything. I just want to be able to tune in and watch what I originally started watching SotG for, a funny, interesting discussion between the hosts of the show about topics related to the game I love.

On May 12 2012 15:50 takingbackoj wrote:
While I understand your complaints and you sound reasonable unlike most, SotG is free. There is no harm in them recording a last minute show to talk about something they think is important. This is just more free content with no real downside im not sure where anyone can complain about free content. Maybe JP should start charging for SotG then the trolls can pay for the right to complain all they want.

On May 12 2012 15:43 RayzorFlash wrote:
I feel today's show was mislabelled. It was not really a "State of the Game" show, since there was only 1 of the 4 pillars of the show present, and it was more of an interview with Sundance. I understand that exclusivity and getting the first chance to talk to Sundance since the big news was expected to drive lots of viewers to the show, but it needs to still be in the spirit of the actual show and concept.

I love the show, and I understand how frustrating it can be to be attacked for something where you were really just trying to keep the best interests of the people in mind, trying to get us the information you feel we deserve, but I feel like any future impromptu sessions like this should not be labelled as State of the Game since it is basically false advertising. I enjoyed the interview, and I hope you do more of them (maybe have a separate series, once a month just sit down with Sundance/Lee and have a round-table discussion about MLG and where it's going)

I tune in to State of the Game to see the pillars discuss happenings in the world of SC2 and present their opinions on news and stories which are relevant. I don't think interviews actually work all that well on the show because Geoff is the only one who actually ever asks questions. I feel like a round-table interview could work if every pillar prepared some questions, but it still wouldn't be what I tune into the show hoping to get.

State of the Game got successful due to the personalities on the show and their informative discussion, as well as their off-the-cuff humor. It didn't get famous because it was "indy". It didn't lose views because people on the show had opinions and biases. I feel that State of the Game has gotten so far from its roots that it is slowly becoming more and more uninteresting to me. I don't care if the episodes are scheduled, or if they're funded by MLG, or anything. I just want to be able to tune in and watch what I originally started watching SotG for, a funny, interesting discussion between the hosts of the show about topics related to the game I love.

On May 12 2012 16:12 EnderSword wrote:

State of The Game is about the State of the Game, and I don't think we've have a larger development in over a year. It's great that the guys are funny and stuff, but It's also meant to be a current event discussion and that's what this was today.

I think JP is completely justified being angry at the reaction

On May 12 2012 15:50 GeriMage23 wrote:
People of the TL and Reddit community took a really bad turn the last few months. What the hell is wrong with you people? Messaging sponsors to drop players? Complaining about FREE content you can CHOOSE to NOT watch? Attacking the most prominent figures of the SC2 scene? Are you guys out of your fucking minds? Not to mention the mods on TL. They are so self-righteous about their bans and have no idea what they are doing most of the time at all it's plain ridiculous. Please grow up everyone and stop the witch hunts, the complaining and the ridiculous hatred for nothing. It seriously hurts SC2's chances of survival. LoL already kind of outgrew SC2, exactly because of these kind of 7 year olds. Stop it.

On May 12 2012 16:06 RayzorFlash wrote:


I would honestly pay for SotG if they went back to the quality of shows they had even just a few months back, before the end of last year. I do appreciate this interview, it was something that was important, and JP had an exclusive interview that I personally did enjoy. But I don't consider this a 'true' State of the Game episode. I hope JP understands that there would have been little to no uproar if it hadn't been mis-represented as being something that it wasn't. I'm really looking forward to the possible SotG next week (will try to watch even though I'll be playing Diablo 3... I wish I had two monitors )

On May 12 2012 16:25 Pesto wrote:
People all react differently to online criticism. Some people are more insecure than others. Maybe I would be just as frustrated as JP in his position. But he has to realize that the reaction to the show was not something unique to the starcraft community but just the nature of the ENTIRE internet, reddit or otherwise, it is not something that is going to change; and I am pretty tired about hearing the same rant about "haters and trolls, pitchforks and mob mentality" that I constantly hear on every popular podcast, youtube video, forum, blog, etc.

Get used to being exposed to a variety of opinions please. And recognize that while things may get overblown, if they are popular that means at some level there is a problem.

Personally I was glad to hear the interview, but I can understand the frustration which I imagine mostly comes from people missing the old SOTG atmosphere of friendly banter and interesting discussion of the game itself...

On May 12 2012 16:27 takingbackoj wrote:
Well my reply to you would be to show me where JP has describe what the SotG podcast and how this episode doesnt follow that description. Of course we can make suggestions on what we want to hear about but how can we assume we know what should and shouldn't be talked about on each episode? Thats a little ridiculous. Some people were interested in this episode and if you weren't then I feel bad for you but this show wasn't created to please anyone on an individual level, its for the community. Everyone wont always like every show, thats the same with any form of media. If you think you can do better than create your own podcast. What if I told you I thought the shows a few months back weren't interesting at all to me and I actually liked this episode? To be dissapointed with an episode is one thing and will happen from time to time because not everyone is interested in the same things but to flame people for adding free content because you as an individual didn't want to hear it is childish and ignorant (Im not using you as a reference to the poster im quoting, just a generalized term). People like different things and whatever you think SotG is defined as I might not see it the same way so the argument that he deserves to get this kind of heat for calling it SotG is ridiculous. He created the podcast! If he says its SotG then its SotG and he thinks its worth talking about, who are we to decide what should and should not be titled SotG.

State of the Game features four of the most well-known personalities from the Starcraft 2 eSports scene: JP 'itmeJP' McDaniel, Sean 'Day[9]' Plott, Dan 'Artosis' Stemkoski, Geoff 'EG.iNcontroL' Robinson, and Tyler 'TLAF-LiquidTyler' Wasieleski. Each week the five hosts and sometimes a sixth guest recap what they've been up to in SC2, discuss the latest news and announcements, break down patch notes, break open build orders and strategies, and answer user submitted questions.

On May 12 2012 16:39 RayzorFlash wrote:


I thought this thread was the place to provide constructive criticism about the podcast. If I was incorrect in posting what I consider to be constructive criticism, please guide me to a place where I may do so.

I was not one of the people flaming the show, and I am disappointed that you are misconstruing my suggestions as meaning so. I have no problem with what people enjoy and don't enjoy. I am offering my criticism, and if a month or two down the road I am still not enjoying the show I will stop watching it, no rage, no uproar, no hate. I feel like thats what the community needs more of. I do not intend to offend anybody with my criticism, and am further disappointed at the extent to which this community either hates on people, or hates on the people hating on people. Can't we all just get along??

Also, as a reply to your first question, from the show's blog/website:


Based on that, I believe that today's show hit about... one-fifth of what I expect from an ordinary episode of SotG.

On May 12 2012 16:44 takingbackoj wrote:

It is thats why in the blod text I made sure to explain you was a generalized term and not meant to describe the poster I quoted (which was you). Not attacking you just the people who went over the top.

On May 12 2012 12:30 itmeJP wrote:
You people are so fucking ignorant and ungrateful. I have the unique opportunity to bring Sundance on the show because I work in the office with him. The "show" was going to be a quick one-off about a huge thing that happened in the world of eSports yesterday, and then you shit on him and the "show" because he can't answer (business wise) the questions iNcontrol asked.

The show was literally planned 15 minutes prior to going on air and I'm in NYC with zero SotG assets except for the vid intro and intro/outro music -- no art. Production was terrible but the content was there and I would of rather have the exclusivity (LOL) / timeliness of the topic rather then waiting a week to discuss it.

The idiocy and pure bullshit this community feeds its personalities makes people want to quit on a daily basis. If I didn't have friends on the show that made me enjoy it and was just doing this myself, I would of quit long, long ago. Lay off the fucking kool-aid and think for yourself rather then joining the mob, getting pitchforks, and making people / tournaments / organizations drop all interactivity on social media.