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On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:On May 04 2012 14:59 coolcor wrote:On May 04 2012 14:18 Angel_ wrote:On May 04 2012 11:47 corpuscle wrote:On May 04 2012 11:24 obsidia wrote:
I think bad casters are already getting weeded out, or atleast being publically acknowledged as lacking. It's up to them whether to shape up or see how long they can last. It's annoying when people defend them to the hilt for some inane reason like "he's done so much for esports", you do realise they were getting payed handsomely? Argueably people like total biscuit who finance their own tournements and donate any profits back to the players or charity should be the ones getting praised for their contribution, rather than the same grey casters doing commissioned work.
On the other hand many casters are working hard to improve their style and it's really noticeable. I feel sorry for jp that he gets bashed so much when he probably has more game knowledge than the average hater. He knows his limits and doesn't try and overstep them or just add useless generic fluff. I personally really enjoy His casting and it's improved leaps and bounds other the course of mlg's
Wish we could see more of grubby casting, he was amazing at mlg arena. Incredible game knowledge and a pleasure to listen to
Why do people think casters make a ton of money? They simply don't, there isn't that much money in the scene. Painuser didn't outright disclose his salary, but he hinted on ITG that he makes a LOT less than what people seem to think, and simply would not be doing what he does if he was picking his career based on salary. I can't imagine that IPL pays their casters significantly less than GOM or NASL. effectively, Huk made a tweet forever ago. Then people blew it up on reddit and made shit up even though half a dozen people actually in the scene declared it was a load of shit. And then...somehow random people blowing it up on reddit became general "known fact", even though it was called out as being bullshit at the time by people like wheat. There is also this post. Why does everybody forget about this post it makes it pretty clear day9 is doing well. Idra also said he's annoyed that day9 pretends he is not doing really well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162 Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands.
God damn it , I wasnt gonna enter this argument as it seemed pointless but you really are just making shit up and you re obviously "hating". Seriously , you just take for granted that he has no passion for the game, doing everything he is for money and trying to take advantage of his fans and sc2 fans. How the hell do you know all that? How can you be so sure? Stop trying to enforce your opinion as fact , truth is you dont know and you CANT know anything else about day9 than "he makes a lot of money" and a large amount of that is also rumours.
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On May 05 2012 08:42 BearStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:40 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:32 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
Um im sure he could be making more money not doing things for e-sports, he obviolsy enjoys the game, and is trying to help e-sports grow What else could he be doing that would generate $20,000 for him over the course of a weekends work, and constant passive revenue from advertisements on his videos? He's making incredible amounts of money which vastly exceeds most average jobs and takes far less actual work. Stop portraying him as some sort of martyr. He is living far better milking money from esports than he ever would following a different career. No one is trying to say he doesn't make money, but you are absolutely wrong in your one sided view of his intentions
What evidence is there that I am wrong? I presented evidence to support my opinion.
I already pointed out an instance where Day9 discarded fan gifts. This is not something that someone who genuinely cared about their fans would do. Even JP seemed to be thinking that if fans did something kind like that for him he would treat them better.
I also linked a video where Day9 begs for donations "to eat meat" and portrays himself as an esports martyr even though he was already profiting from advertisements. This is not something that anyone unmotivated by money would do.
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If he was solely doing it for the money it would be pretty fucking obvious to everyone immediately and he wouldn't be reaching Daily #500. I became a better player at StarCraft because of him. Quit trolling already.
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On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:On May 04 2012 14:59 coolcor wrote:On May 04 2012 14:18 Angel_ wrote:On May 04 2012 11:47 corpuscle wrote:On May 04 2012 11:24 obsidia wrote:
I think bad casters are already getting weeded out, or atleast being publically acknowledged as lacking. It's up to them whether to shape up or see how long they can last. It's annoying when people defend them to the hilt for some inane reason like "he's done so much for esports", you do realise they were getting payed handsomely? Argueably people like total biscuit who finance their own tournements and donate any profits back to the players or charity should be the ones getting praised for their contribution, rather than the same grey casters doing commissioned work.
On the other hand many casters are working hard to improve their style and it's really noticeable. I feel sorry for jp that he gets bashed so much when he probably has more game knowledge than the average hater. He knows his limits and doesn't try and overstep them or just add useless generic fluff. I personally really enjoy His casting and it's improved leaps and bounds other the course of mlg's
Wish we could see more of grubby casting, he was amazing at mlg arena. Incredible game knowledge and a pleasure to listen to
Why do people think casters make a ton of money? They simply don't, there isn't that much money in the scene. Painuser didn't outright disclose his salary, but he hinted on ITG that he makes a LOT less than what people seem to think, and simply would not be doing what he does if he was picking his career based on salary. I can't imagine that IPL pays their casters significantly less than GOM or NASL. effectively, Huk made a tweet forever ago. Then people blew it up on reddit and made shit up even though half a dozen people actually in the scene declared it was a load of shit. And then...somehow random people blowing it up on reddit became general "known fact", even though it was called out as being bullshit at the time by people like wheat. There is also this post. Why does everybody forget about this post it makes it pretty clear day9 is doing well. Idra also said he's annoyed that day9 pretends he is not doing really well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162 Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands.
your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one .
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On May 05 2012 08:42 JazzJackrabbit wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:40 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:32 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
Um im sure he could be making more money not doing things for e-sports, he obviolsy enjoys the game, and is trying to help e-sports grow What else could he be doing that would generate $20,000 for him over the course of a weekends work, and constant passive revenue from advertisements on his videos? He's making incredible amounts of money which vastly exceeds most average jobs and takes far less actual work. So basically you hate anyone in the entertainment or sports industry. Right? Might as well stop watching movies, TV shows, or any sports for that matter.
What did I say that could be possibly construed like that?
I am not fooled by the character that Day9 portrays himself as. That is all.
I am sorry that you are upset by my lack of credulity.
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This just in from Entertainment News Daily:
Sean 'Day9' Plott has been nominated for an Academy award for his ground breaking performance of the Day9 Daily #100.
Though 'Sean' was long believed to be a real person, only one 'Zaqwe' on the TeamLiquid.net forums put the clues together and discovered that 'Sean' was really the work of in incredibly committed method actor. So committed was to to his performance that he devoted nearly a decade of his life to 'Starcraft', a game that in reality he could not care any less about, purely to better realize the character of 'Sean'.
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On May 05 2012 08:53 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
If he was solely doing it for the money it would be pretty fucking obvious to everyone immediately and he wouldn't be reaching Daily #500. I became a better player at StarCraft because of him. Quit trolling already.
What makes you so sure it would be obvious to everyone? It seems obvious to me after seeing his "2011 union address", but most people aren't as bright as I am.
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On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:On May 04 2012 14:59 coolcor wrote:On May 04 2012 14:18 Angel_ wrote:On May 04 2012 11:47 corpuscle wrote:
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Why do people think casters make a ton of money? They simply don't, there isn't that much money in the scene. Painuser didn't outright disclose his salary, but he hinted on ITG that he makes a LOT less than what people seem to think, and simply would not be doing what he does if he was picking his career based on salary. I can't imagine that IPL pays their casters significantly less than GOM or NASL. effectively, Huk made a tweet forever ago. Then people blew it up on reddit and made shit up even though half a dozen people actually in the scene declared it was a load of shit. And then...somehow random people blowing it up on reddit became general "known fact", even though it was called out as being bullshit at the time by people like wheat. There is also this post. Why does everybody forget about this post it makes it pretty clear day9 is doing well. Idra also said he's annoyed that day9 pretends he is not doing really well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162 Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one .
I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses).
People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9.
C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions.
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Zaqwe trolling pretty hard right now.
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On May 05 2012 08:58 JackDT wrote:
This just in from Entertainment News Daily:
Sean 'Day9' Plott has been nominated for an Academy award for his ground breaking performance of the Day9 Daily #100.
Though 'Sean' was long believed to be a real person, only one 'Zaqwe' on the TeamLiquid.net forums put the clues together and discovered that 'Sean' was really the work of in incredibly committed method actor. So committed was to to his performance that he devoted nearly a decade of his life to 'Starcraft', a game that i reality he could not care any less about, purely to better realize the character of 'Sean'.
Breaking news: someone works for years to make a highly lucrative career for himself. TL forum experts say motivation can't possibly be the money.
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On May 05 2012 08:53 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:42 BearStorm wrote:On May 05 2012 08:40 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:32 WHyTePoWeR wrote:
Um im sure he could be making more money not doing things for e-sports, he obviolsy enjoys the game, and is trying to help e-sports grow What else could he be doing that would generate $20,000 for him over the course of a weekends work, and constant passive revenue from advertisements on his videos? He's making incredible amounts of money which vastly exceeds most average jobs and takes far less actual work. Stop portraying him as some sort of martyr. He is living far better milking money from esports than he ever would following a different career. No one is trying to say he doesn't make money, but you are absolutely wrong in your one sided view of his intentions What evidence is there that I am wrong? I presented evidence to support my opinion. I already pointed out an instance where Day9 discarded fan gifts. This is not something that someone who genuinely cared about their fans would do. Even JP seemed to be thinking that if fans did something kind like that for him he would treat them better. I also linked a video where Day9 begs for donations "to eat meat" and portrays himself as an esports martyr even though he was already profiting from advertisements. This is not something that anyone unmotivated by money would do.
How about the hundreds of episodes of dailies he has doen for free before Day9TV became a company? Some of those episodes were based on BW and were made even before the SC2 Beta. That must be some serious planning to predict your own role of success of a game that hasn't even been released yet. Also he made that video way before he was a big figure. What could possibly be a source of income to him besides viewers during that time? Preparing dailies almost everyday of the week and attending school does not leave too much room for a job. Also I already explained earlier that I got to meet Day9 while we both attended USC. We got to hang out, eat, play a bunch of 4v4s together, and he gave me a bunch of coaching tips. He was an incredibly nice guy throughout all of my experiences hanging out with him. Even before I moved to California for graduate school he gave me advice on where to live. During all of my experiences hanging out with him he was the same nice guy he portrays on his dailies. So unless you are trying to claim that his persona during graduate school is some act, you should consider the possibility that he is just a nice guy.
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On May 05 2012 08:53 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
If he was solely doing it for the money it would be pretty fucking obvious to everyone immediately and he wouldn't be reaching Daily #500. I became a better player at StarCraft because of him. Quit trolling already.
I like Day9 too but to claim that he is only doing it for for the love of esports and not the money and industry contacts is ridiculous. He's a very astute businessman and the whole inception of the AHGL is sheer genius. Hosting a charity event and while meeting people in the world's top tech companies is undeniably brilliant. I wouldn't doubt it if Day9 is planning on building his brand and webshow to continue without his direct input so he can do more worthwhile things. We should applaud his business sense, not dismiss it.
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On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:On May 04 2012 14:59 coolcor wrote:On May 04 2012 14:18 Angel_ wrote:
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effectively, Huk made a tweet forever ago.
Then people blew it up on reddit and made shit up even though half a dozen people actually in the scene declared it was a load of shit.
And then...somehow random people blowing it up on reddit became general "known fact", even though it was called out as being bullshit at the time by people like wheat. There is also this post. Why does everybody forget about this post it makes it pretty clear day9 is doing well. Idra also said he's annoyed that day9 pretends he is not doing really well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162 Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions.
I have to echoe what a lot of people have said: How do you know he is faking anything? Can you fucking read minds or something?
The only evidence you have provided is that he left behind some twinkies!
Of course he makes money. He is making a living of what he loves! And he is obviously loving it!
Please provide some real backing for a claim like this before you post it. You are discrediting one of the biggest names in esports without evidence. I don't know what that is called!
EDIT: And yea, there are probably more lucrative options for him than starcraft! He could get a further education and get a "normal job" and make money of of it!
EDIT2: I also said to myself "don't reply here while you are drunk", but i simply get angry when someone make unsupported accusations against one of the most loveable characters in the entire sc2 scene 
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On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:On May 04 2012 14:59 coolcor wrote:On May 04 2012 14:18 Angel_ wrote:
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effectively, Huk made a tweet forever ago.
Then people blew it up on reddit and made shit up even though half a dozen people actually in the scene declared it was a load of shit.
And then...somehow random people blowing it up on reddit became general "known fact", even though it was called out as being bullshit at the time by people like wheat. There is also this post. Why does everybody forget about this post it makes it pretty clear day9 is doing well. Idra also said he's annoyed that day9 pretends he is not doing really well. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290205¤tpage=9#162 Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions.
your initial contribution to the thread was notable. then, you went off the deep end and started posting pictures of the kid, calling him a drug dealer, etc. etc. you were banned for the latter, not going against the grain.
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On May 05 2012 09:00 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:53 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
If he was solely doing it for the money it would be pretty fucking obvious to everyone immediately and he wouldn't be reaching Daily #500. I became a better player at StarCraft because of him. Quit trolling already. What makes you so sure it would be obvious to everyone? It seems obvious to me after seeing his "2011 union address", but most people aren't as bright as I am.
If you define yourself as bright, then yeah, most people aren't as bright as you. Thank the lord.
I find it really hard to write a solid counter argument because your hypotesis is wrong in so many ways. Do you really have a problem with day9 making a solid living after years and years of devoting himself to help the community? He could be making a decent living with a finished masters degree if he so chose but is instead giving an unstable niche market everything he has.
And as to him planning it to get this far, then how do you explain a thing like after hours gaming league? It brings in a minimum of viewers because the level is subpar, a simple tournament would make him loads more cash. What it does do is bring attention and sponsor interest to esports. Unless you're willing to say that 9 year old Sean and Nick started practicing sc2 to someday be paid casters, then there's no cutoff for when he started this nefarious plan.
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On May 05 2012 09:10 TeslasPigeon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 08:53 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
If he was solely doing it for the money it would be pretty fucking obvious to everyone immediately and he wouldn't be reaching Daily #500. I became a better player at StarCraft because of him. Quit trolling already. I like Day9 too but to claim that he is only doing it for for the love of esports and not the money and industry contacts is ridiculous. He's a very astute businessman and the whole inception of the AHGL is sheer genius. Hosting a charity event and while meeting people in the world's top tech companies is undeniably brilliant. I wouldn't doubt it if Day9 is planning on building his brand and webshow to continue without his direct input so he can do more worthwhile things. We should applaud his business sense, not dismiss it.
Of course which is why I don't believe he is ONLY doing it for the money. He has the passion, motivation, and happens to make a living off it as well so good for him.
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On May 05 2012 09:11 dAPhREAk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. your initial contribution to the thread was notable. then, you went off the deep end and started posting pictures of the kid, calling him a drug dealer, etc. etc. you were banned for the latter, not going against the grain.
I was definitely banned for going against the grain. They even had to edit the ban reason to try and seem more reasonable because they realized how silly it was. The ban was handed out for my daring to oppose the anti-Zimmerman band wagon which even TL staff were jumping on. Please don't act so naive.
And you say "going off the deep end" but nothing I said was unreasonable. Everything was backed up by evidence. And the pictures I posted were the real ones. If you check you will notice I was never fooled by the fake photo with underpants showing. I only posted the genuine photographs of Trayvon Martin with gold teeth. My track record on that discussion is impeccable.
But that's a subject for a different thread, if it warrants any discussion at all.
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On May 05 2012 09:16 ppont wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:00 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:53 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
If he was solely doing it for the money it would be pretty fucking obvious to everyone immediately and he wouldn't be reaching Daily #500. I became a better player at StarCraft because of him. Quit trolling already. What makes you so sure it would be obvious to everyone? It seems obvious to me after seeing his "2011 union address", but most people aren't as bright as I am. If you define yourself as bright, then yeah, most people aren't as bright as you. Thank the lord. I find it really hard to write a solid counter argument because your hypotesis is wrong in so many ways. Do you really have a problem with day9 making a solid living after years and years of devoting himself to help the community? He could be making a decent living with a finished masters degree if he so chose but is instead giving an unstable niche market everything he has. And as to him planning it to get this far, then how do you explain a thing like after hours gaming league? It brings in a minimum of viewers because the level is subpar, a simple tournament would make him loads more cash. What it does do is bring attention and sponsor interest to esports. Unless you're willing to say that 9 year old Sean and Nick started practicing sc2 to someday be paid casters, then there's no cutoff for when he started this nefarious plan.
Again, when did I say I have a problem with it?
It seems that you and your fellow Day9 fans are the ones who have a problem with it. You are the ones getting upset when your image of him as a selfless martyr for esports is challenged.
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On May 05 2012 09:10 Teoman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. I have to echoe what a lot of people have said: How do you know he is faking anything? Can you fucking read minds or something? The only evidence you have provided is that he left behind some twinkies! Of course he makes money. He is making a living of what he loves! And he is obviously loving it! Please provide some real backing for a claim like this before you post it. You are discrediting one of the biggest names in esports without evidence. I don't know what that is called! EDIT: And yea, there are probably more lucrative options for him than starcraft! He could get a further education and get a "normal job" and make money of of it! EDIT2: I also said to myself "don't reply here while you are drunk", but i simply get angry when someone make unsupported accusations against one of the most loveable characters in the entire sc2 scene
I guess I am just able to pick up on social cues that other people don't notice.
For example, when someone throws a gift in the trash they show a lack of caring about the person who gave the gift.
You are absolutely nutty if you think Day9 could easily make more than $20,000 a weekend in a field other than esports. That's not even counting the passive income he makes from all his videos. You do understand the value of constant income that requires no additional work, don't you?
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On May 05 2012 09:25 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:16 ppont wrote:On May 05 2012 09:00 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:53 JazzJackrabbit wrote:
If he was solely doing it for the money it would be pretty fucking obvious to everyone immediately and he wouldn't be reaching Daily #500. I became a better player at StarCraft because of him. Quit trolling already. What makes you so sure it would be obvious to everyone? It seems obvious to me after seeing his "2011 union address", but most people aren't as bright as I am. If you define yourself as bright, then yeah, most people aren't as bright as you. Thank the lord. I find it really hard to write a solid counter argument because your hypotesis is wrong in so many ways. Do you really have a problem with day9 making a solid living after years and years of devoting himself to help the community? He could be making a decent living with a finished masters degree if he so chose but is instead giving an unstable niche market everything he has. And as to him planning it to get this far, then how do you explain a thing like after hours gaming league? It brings in a minimum of viewers because the level is subpar, a simple tournament would make him loads more cash. What it does do is bring attention and sponsor interest to esports. Unless you're willing to say that 9 year old Sean and Nick started practicing sc2 to someday be paid casters, then there's no cutoff for when he started this nefarious plan. Again, when did I say I have a problem with it? It seems that you and your fellow Day9 fans are the ones who have a problem with it. You are the ones getting upset when your image of him as a selfless martyr for esports is challenged.
That is your problem! When have anyone adressed him as a selfless martyr for esports? ( btw i like that you are responding, but please respond to my previous post :D)
I haven't heard anyone said he is putting his life and livelihood on the line for esports. He is simply a guy making money of his passion. And who can deny that making money of what you love is great! I think you can't even deny that making money of something you love is great!
And who cares if he is making alot of money of of it! As previously said, people would know it if he was only faking it for the money. No matter how many "faking emotion classes" he have taken, people would notice earlier :
And after all. No one have to watch him! He lets you watch it free, and you can cancel/mute the occasional commercial :D
I think some people like giving money to such a person as DAY9 :D
EDIT: Thanks for replying :D
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