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On May 05 2012 09:29 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:10 Teoman wrote:On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:
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Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. I have to echoe what a lot of people have said: How do you know he is faking anything? Can you fucking read minds or something? The only evidence you have provided is that he left behind some twinkies! Of course he makes money. He is making a living of what he loves! And he is obviously loving it! Please provide some real backing for a claim like this before you post it. You are discrediting one of the biggest names in esports without evidence. I don't know what that is called! EDIT: And yea, there are probably more lucrative options for him than starcraft! He could get a further education and get a "normal job" and make money of of it! EDIT2: I also said to myself "don't reply here while you are drunk", but i simply get angry when someone make unsupported accusations against one of the most loveable characters in the entire sc2 scene  I guess I am just able to pick up on social cues that other people don't notice. For example, when someone throws a gift in the trash they show a lack of caring about the person who gave the gift. You are absolutely nutty if you think Day9 could easily make more than $20,000 a weekend in a field other than esports. That's not even counting the passive income he makes from all his videos. You do understand the value of constant income that requires no additional work, don't you?
Now you re just repeating yourself. He says how you KNOW those stuff , like I asked myself before, not how you think you know . The truth is you dont know and you are just calling someone out without real evidence or justification. From all your posts it just seems that you are somehow disturbed he can make 20k in a weeked? You do realise this is the money he got offered right ? He didnt steal it or blackmail them to get it... Nobody denies he makes a decent living out of e-sports but hes arguably the most popular sc2 esports figure out there , so good for him I guess.
You whole evidence consists of him saying that he threw some twinkies a fan gave him (seriously? lol) and asking for donations from his followers , as if hes supposed to say "If you want to donate me money , dont do it" . What you feel about day9 is your opinion and thats fine but stop trying to force it on others and insulting everyone who like and support him by saying "they re falling for his fake personality" ...
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On May 05 2012 09:22 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:11 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:
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Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. your initial contribution to the thread was notable. then, you went off the deep end and started posting pictures of the kid, calling him a drug dealer, etc. etc. you were banned for the latter, not going against the grain. I was definitely banned for going against the grain. They even had to edit the ban reason to try and seem more reasonable because they realized how silly it was. The ban was handed out for my daring to oppose the anti-Zimmerman band wagon which even TL staff were jumping on. Please don't act so naive. And you say "going off the deep end" but nothing I said was unreasonable. Everything was backed up by evidence. And the pictures I posted were the real ones. If you check you will notice I was never fooled by the fake photo with underpants showing. I only posted the genuine photographs of Trayvon Martin with gold teeth. My track record on that discussion is impeccable. But that's a subject for a different thread, if it warrants any discussion at all.
i was going to post the ban, but after searching for it, i realized you have been banned multiple times. how many bans do you have for such a low post count?
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On May 05 2012 09:29 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:10 Teoman wrote:On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 01:37 flowSthead wrote:
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Alright, I've seen this mentioned 5 times now in the Cloud thread and now its in this thread too. When did Day9 pretend he isn't doing well? The only thing I've heard from Day9 on finances is that IF he ever wasn't making money from this, if he only had 5 people watching him, he would still be doing it because it's what he loves. The emphasis is on the if. Does anyone have a clip or a reference to a point where Day9 has said or pretended that he isn't doing well? Or is that just Idra's impression, because I have never gotten that impression from Day9. For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. I have to echoe what a lot of people have said: How do you know he is faking anything? Can you fucking read minds or something? The only evidence you have provided is that he left behind some twinkies! Of course he makes money. He is making a living of what he loves! And he is obviously loving it! Please provide some real backing for a claim like this before you post it. You are discrediting one of the biggest names in esports without evidence. I don't know what that is called! EDIT: And yea, there are probably more lucrative options for him than starcraft! He could get a further education and get a "normal job" and make money of of it! EDIT2: I also said to myself "don't reply here while you are drunk", but i simply get angry when someone make unsupported accusations against one of the most loveable characters in the entire sc2 scene I guess I am just able to pick up on social cues that other people don't notice. For example, when someone throws a gift in the trash they show a lack of caring about the person who gave the gift. You are absolutely nutty if you think Day9 could easily make more than $20,000 a weekend in a field other than esports. That's not even counting the passive income he makes from all his videos. You do understand the value of constant income that requires no additional work, don't you?
Well, one person noticing something, doesnt make it right :D
And one example for compared to over 500 against doesnt either :D
I Don't think he makes 20 000 EVERY weekend ( no proof of this though) in esports, but i can imagine lots of other jobs making more (from norway though so can be hard to compare bnp (or what it is called))
I think that you also can't asume that everything he says is a lie, so he said he has like 3-4 hours preparation for each daily. also he said he basicly watches or play starcraft all day long, and i call that pretty hard work tbh
And i am not arguing that this is not living a dream! He is basicly making lots of money doing what he love!
On May 05 2012 09:38 Slike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:29 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 09:10 Teoman wrote:On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:[quote] For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. I have to echoe what a lot of people have said: How do you know he is faking anything? Can you fucking read minds or something? The only evidence you have provided is that he left behind some twinkies! Of course he makes money. He is making a living of what he loves! And he is obviously loving it! Please provide some real backing for a claim like this before you post it. You are discrediting one of the biggest names in esports without evidence. I don't know what that is called! EDIT: And yea, there are probably more lucrative options for him than starcraft! He could get a further education and get a "normal job" and make money of of it! EDIT2: I also said to myself "don't reply here while you are drunk", but i simply get angry when someone make unsupported accusations against one of the most loveable characters in the entire sc2 scene I guess I am just able to pick up on social cues that other people don't notice. For example, when someone throws a gift in the trash they show a lack of caring about the person who gave the gift. You are absolutely nutty if you think Day9 could easily make more than $20,000 a weekend in a field other than esports. That's not even counting the passive income he makes from all his videos. You do understand the value of constant income that requires no additional work, don't you? Now you re just repeating yourself. He says how you KNOW those stuff , like I asked myself before, not how you think you know . The truth is you dont know and you are just calling someone out without real evidence or justification. From all your posts it just seems that you are somehow disturbed he can make 20k in a weeked? You do realise this is the money he got offered right ? He didnt steal it or blackmail them to get it... Nobody denies he makes a decent living out of e-sports but hes arguably the most popular sc2 esports figure out there , so good for him I guess. You whole evidence consists of him saying that he threw some twinkies a fan gave him (seriously? lol) and asking for donations from his followers , as if hes supposed to say "If you want to donate me money , dont do it" . What you feel about day9 is your opinion and thats fine but stop trying to force it on others and insulting everyone who like and support him by saying "they re falling for his fake personality" ...
Very good points Slike! Strong arguments against his opinions!
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On May 05 2012 09:38 Slike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:29 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 09:10 Teoman wrote:On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:On May 05 2012 07:56 Zaqwe wrote:[quote] For example here is a video of Day9 pretending he needs donations to "buy meat" to feed himself. And of course he characterizes giving him money as a charitable act on behalf of esports, rather than simply lining his pockets with profits. Ever since I saw this I realized Day9 was always positioning himself from the start to profit from Starcraft 2. He is a cynical capitalist and is taking advantage of naive young people who aren't yet wise enough to understand that people will pretend to be friendly or to share their interests to extract money from them. His whole persona is very fake and forced, but apparently that appeals to some. It's like Blizzard's "We Love Esports" lie. No, Blizzard, you love money. Day9 doesn't like Starcraft 2, he likes the money he can make from it. You can see his lack of passion for Starcraft 2 in the way he handles balance discussion by brushing it off and never criticizing Blizzard or their decisions. The only balance he cares about is his bank balance. Day9's union 2011 Address+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXyP3CT1XM Related thread discussing this video: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182499 holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. I have to echoe what a lot of people have said: How do you know he is faking anything? Can you fucking read minds or something? The only evidence you have provided is that he left behind some twinkies! Of course he makes money. He is making a living of what he loves! And he is obviously loving it! Please provide some real backing for a claim like this before you post it. You are discrediting one of the biggest names in esports without evidence. I don't know what that is called! EDIT: And yea, there are probably more lucrative options for him than starcraft! He could get a further education and get a "normal job" and make money of of it! EDIT2: I also said to myself "don't reply here while you are drunk", but i simply get angry when someone make unsupported accusations against one of the most loveable characters in the entire sc2 scene I guess I am just able to pick up on social cues that other people don't notice. For example, when someone throws a gift in the trash they show a lack of caring about the person who gave the gift. You are absolutely nutty if you think Day9 could easily make more than $20,000 a weekend in a field other than esports. That's not even counting the passive income he makes from all his videos. You do understand the value of constant income that requires no additional work, don't you? Now you re just repeating yourself. He says how you KNOW those stuff , like I asked myself before, not how you think you know . The truth is you dont know and you are just calling someone out without real evidence or justification. From all your posts it just seems that you are somehow disturbed he can make 20k in a weeked? You do realise this is the money he got offered right ? He didnt steal it or blackmail them to get it... Nobody denies he makes a decent living out of e-sports but hes arguably the most popular sc2 esports figure out there , so good for him I guess. You whole evidence consists of him saying that he threw some twinkies a fan gave him (seriously? lol) and asking for donations from his followers , as if hes supposed to say "If you want to donate me money , dont do it" . What you feel about day9 is your opinion and thats fine but stop trying to force it on others and insulting everyone who like and support him by saying "they re falling for his fake personality" ...
Again, again, again, for the third or fourth time, when did I say anything that could be construed as me being bothered that Day9 is making immense amounts of profits, far exceeding anything he could make in a regular job? Good for him!
The only people here apparently bothered by it are those throwing a temper tantrum because I dared to mention it.
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On May 05 2012 09:42 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:38 Slike wrote:On May 05 2012 09:29 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 09:10 Teoman wrote:On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:
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holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. I have to echoe what a lot of people have said: How do you know he is faking anything? Can you fucking read minds or something? The only evidence you have provided is that he left behind some twinkies! Of course he makes money. He is making a living of what he loves! And he is obviously loving it! Please provide some real backing for a claim like this before you post it. You are discrediting one of the biggest names in esports without evidence. I don't know what that is called! EDIT: And yea, there are probably more lucrative options for him than starcraft! He could get a further education and get a "normal job" and make money of of it! EDIT2: I also said to myself "don't reply here while you are drunk", but i simply get angry when someone make unsupported accusations against one of the most loveable characters in the entire sc2 scene I guess I am just able to pick up on social cues that other people don't notice. For example, when someone throws a gift in the trash they show a lack of caring about the person who gave the gift. You are absolutely nutty if you think Day9 could easily make more than $20,000 a weekend in a field other than esports. That's not even counting the passive income he makes from all his videos. You do understand the value of constant income that requires no additional work, don't you? Now you re just repeating yourself. He says how you KNOW those stuff , like I asked myself before, not how you think you know . The truth is you dont know and you are just calling someone out without real evidence or justification. From all your posts it just seems that you are somehow disturbed he can make 20k in a weeked? You do realise this is the money he got offered right ? He didnt steal it or blackmail them to get it... Nobody denies he makes a decent living out of e-sports but hes arguably the most popular sc2 esports figure out there , so good for him I guess. You whole evidence consists of him saying that he threw some twinkies a fan gave him (seriously? lol) and asking for donations from his followers , as if hes supposed to say "If you want to donate me money , dont do it" . What you feel about day9 is your opinion and thats fine but stop trying to force it on others and insulting everyone who like and support him by saying "they re falling for his fake personality" ... Again, again, again, for the third or fourth time, when did I say anything that could be construed as me being bothered that Day9 is making immense amounts of profits, far exceeding anything he could make in a regular job? Good for him! The only people here apparently bothered by it are those throwing a temper tantrum because I dared to mention it.
To me it seems you re bothered because you mention it in every post , then again I could be wrong . Thats what he makes , okay we got it , what about it? Its a lot of money , alright , so good for him - he deserves it.
You did more than just say he makes more than any other job he could have got (which is not really correct but lets not go into that) . You say hes fake , you say he has no passion , you say hes playing a character , you say hes feeding off people's donations , you say he only cares about his bank balance. Things you dont know and you cant know , yet you say them and present as evidence that he threw away twinkies a fan gave him and that he asked for donations in a video. How do you expect people who are his fans , or even those who arent (like me) to not call you out on it?
Edit: Btw thats exactly the reason we should never have access to esports contracts and payouts.
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When was Day9 paid $20k for a single weekend? That sounds ridiculous.
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On May 05 2012 09:50 FuzzyJAM wrote:
When was Day9 paid $20k for a single weekend? That sounds ridiculous.
I heard it was for a dreamhack event! i think it was on state of the game or something (could be wrong). But it was actually 20k for an event
Still, it is kind of a bad argument since it is using one event as evidence for over ten years of involment in the scene!
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Off-topic: why is there a shit storm here? (could not find better wording than this for what is happening) You people take yourself[s] way to seriously. We are here to have fun and play a game called sc2 or sc:bw . And if someone/persons happen to make money so be it, good for them. your all forgetting why we do this and now only thinking about money and who gets its. Or who should get money forget that stuff and focus on the damn game.
@adding in: if those people don't deserve the money. They won't earn any more in this scene very soon and disappear.
Back on topic : great show, a few things I personally would like to point out.
1st The talk about sc1 and sc2 scene coming together was great and all but most of that was will fluff and I don't blame you(sotg) for that due to lack of info. would've been better though if you could get someone who was there and could talk about from their stand point but of course free time in sc2 and sc1 is hard to come by for such people.
2nd The talk about the Cloud VBlog felt like pure filler but it was and felt like that nonetheless it was a good way to end the pitch-forking people at ease or at least that what I foolishly hope for.
3rd Now for the big story for the week, well at least I think it should be and where it was place, it should of been. The balance change maybe very small but I think should of been looked more at. Mainly the ZvP situation, would be a big deal (not because i play toss) due to the fact in ZvP a lot of protoss have to due some kind of timing attack off of 2 base or pray for the zerg not to attack them when they grab a very quick 3rd at the moment. With scouting being easier for zerg there needs to be way for the protoss to go in ZvP and play straight up macro in some way.
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I gotta say, i dig that there is a preshow added on now. The show always makes my day a little better and who could lie? It makes me a little excited when I find out there is a new one up. I've never really been dissapointed in an episode. That being said. . . drinking episodes. . . amazingly awesome. Thanks for everything and I hope this keeps rolling til machines become selfaware and destroy everything. Even then I think they will enslave the cast to continually create new shows.
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my only wish for sotg is, they can somehow top the drunken episode that had mia rose and the 2v2 on it, its like the holy grail of sotgs, so funny. the kill-marry-fck part was so brilliant by geoff lol
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What I assume to be the video referenced: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323846
Just watched episode 68. I have to disagree with what Artosis said about the Korean casters not being as good because of their use of "scripts". What he described in regards to their preparation came across to me as complimentary, not disparaging. Gathering stats, knowing the players, familiarity with the match-up, shows a sense of professionalism. It's essentially what casters should be doing. And as far as using the "scripts" while casting, I can see how it would be useful during the build up prior to a match starting, laying down the foundation of what's to come or during the lull during the first few minutes. But when the action begins, there's no script for how a game is going to be played out...except maybe for BitByBit  . Thus scripts are done and the meat and potatoes of a cast comes to a head.
Admittedly, I've only watched a very small sample compared to hours and hours of English casts, but Korean in-game commenting is superb. The analysis of the current situation from both perspectives by the Korean casters is so deep and insightful. Explaining what the losing player needs to do to come back, such as what units need to be made and what to do with them to recover, is so much more interesting than saying "Ah, this is pretty much over. No way he can come back. There should be a GG any second."
As to the "free form" nature of English commenting, Korean casters aren't mindless robots rigidly reciting verbatim whatever it is they have in front of them. There are instances of joking and ad lib in their cast. But what I like is that they don't overdo it and get carried away for an extended period of time to where it takes away from what's actually happening in the game. Banter is fine, but I don't want to hear some drawn out anecdote in the middle of a game that gets so off topic for so long that one of the casters, after some chuckles, has to remind themselves to get back to the game, which I find is prevalent in many English casts. Save it for later, there's enough time to chitchat between games if the story really needs to be told.
Also Artosis mentioned that being a good player doesn't make a good commentator. Then he later mentions the criticism aimed at JP for his commentating and saying that JP is better than the viewers criticizing him since he is a masters ranked random player. JP is a poor SC2 caster. He is actually the embodiment of the negative and dismissive attitude that Nony and iNcontrol mentioned earlier in the episode.
First time in a long time that a topic really interested me from a State of the Game. [extended series  ]
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Dafuq? I watched Day9 since he was doing BW dailies and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that this man has passion for the game (well, brood war at least).
I watched Daily #100 live and I almost cried myself. Passion is not something you can fake.
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On May 05 2012 09:42 Zaqwe wrote:
Again, again, again, for the third or fourth time, when did I say anything that could be construed as me being bothered that Day9 is making immense amounts of profits, far exceeding anything he could make in a regular job? Good for him!
The only people here apparently bothered by it are those throwing a temper tantrum because I dared to mention it.
If you think Day9 is making "immense amounts" of "profit," you don't understand the word "profit," the pay scale in e-sports, and the pay scale in e-sports relative to what a technologically savvy quantitative mind with many connections can make in a "regular" job.
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On May 05 2012 11:05 Grantiere wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:42 Zaqwe wrote:
Again, again, again, for the third or fourth time, when did I say anything that could be construed as me being bothered that Day9 is making immense amounts of profits, far exceeding anything he could make in a regular job? Good for him!
The only people here apparently bothered by it are those throwing a temper tantrum because I dared to mention it. If you think Day9 is making "immense amounts" of "profit," you don't understand the word "profit," the pay scale in e-sports, and the pay scale in e-sports relative to what a technologically savvy quantitative mind with many connections can make in a "regular" job.
Please talk about State of the Game in the thread, I am so tired of having to go through x amounts of posts that have nothing to do with SotG to get a clue of what happened in the episode.
On topic though.
Overall I thought it was a good, solid episode, nothing special really, but exactly what I wanted from it (and I love the bring back of the pre show.) I really want to see what happens with moletrap, I understand Artosis' pov, but agree with the points incontrol made. I honestly do not think he was last long in his current position.
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yea guys the trolls in the commuity, they feed off the reaction of others.....dont take the bait , just move on to something constructive.
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On May 05 2012 09:42 Zaqwe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 09:38 Slike wrote:On May 05 2012 09:29 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 09:10 Teoman wrote:On May 05 2012 09:06 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:54 mjnbowlgod wrote:On May 05 2012 08:45 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:33 Detwiler wrote:On May 05 2012 08:30 Zaqwe wrote:On May 05 2012 08:18 dAPhREAk wrote:
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holy shit zaqwe. you have gone off the deep end. day9 has been devoted to the so-called "esports" for almost a decade. to say he is only in it for the money is completely off-base. i am sure he is making decent money (because he is so damn good at his job), but saying that he is just in it for the money is a little rude. Stating the truth plainly can often be considered rude. However I think if you set aside emotion for a moment you will see that Day9 has been positioning himself to profit from SC2 before it was even released, and shows no real passion for the game outside of activities that can generate revenue for himself. Because god forbid some body takes esports seriously and tries to make a living and a business out of it right? Cant have this thing growing because if it gets to big then we might not be able to call people niggers huh? I don't care that he is making money. I find it amusing that he gets away with portraying himself as a starving artist doing what he does because he loves you and loves what you love, when in reality he is just a slick businessman who understands how to take advantage of people's emotional attachment to brands. your talking out of your ass and what your deluded mind believes in, but I can assure you , your in the minority on this one . I was also in the minority when I pointed out in the Trayvon Martin thread that Zimmerman was attacked and his self defense claim was reasonable. I even received a ban for daring to go against the grain. Look who turned out to be correct (hint: it wasn't the masses). People also got upset in that thread that I dared to disagree with the view they were emotionally invested in, sort of like how people now are getting upset that I don't share their emotional attachment to Day9. C'est la vie. The majority of people will always be wrong, and will always get upset when someone comes along and pokes a hole in their delusions. I have to echoe what a lot of people have said: How do you know he is faking anything? Can you fucking read minds or something? The only evidence you have provided is that he left behind some twinkies! Of course he makes money. He is making a living of what he loves! And he is obviously loving it! Please provide some real backing for a claim like this before you post it. You are discrediting one of the biggest names in esports without evidence. I don't know what that is called! EDIT: And yea, there are probably more lucrative options for him than starcraft! He could get a further education and get a "normal job" and make money of of it! EDIT2: I also said to myself "don't reply here while you are drunk", but i simply get angry when someone make unsupported accusations against one of the most loveable characters in the entire sc2 scene I guess I am just able to pick up on social cues that other people don't notice. For example, when someone throws a gift in the trash they show a lack of caring about the person who gave the gift. You are absolutely nutty if you think Day9 could easily make more than $20,000 a weekend in a field other than esports. That's not even counting the passive income he makes from all his videos. You do understand the value of constant income that requires no additional work, don't you? Now you re just repeating yourself. He says how you KNOW those stuff , like I asked myself before, not how you think you know . The truth is you dont know and you are just calling someone out without real evidence or justification. From all your posts it just seems that you are somehow disturbed he can make 20k in a weeked? You do realise this is the money he got offered right ? He didnt steal it or blackmail them to get it... Nobody denies he makes a decent living out of e-sports but hes arguably the most popular sc2 esports figure out there , so good for him I guess. You whole evidence consists of him saying that he threw some twinkies a fan gave him (seriously? lol) and asking for donations from his followers , as if hes supposed to say "If you want to donate me money , dont do it" . What you feel about day9 is your opinion and thats fine but stop trying to force it on others and insulting everyone who like and support him by saying "they re falling for his fake personality" ... Again, again, again, for the third or fourth time, when did I say anything that could be construed as me being bothered that Day9 is making immense amounts of profits, far exceeding anything he could make in a regular job? Good for him! The only people here apparently bothered by it are those throwing a temper tantrum because I dared to mention it.
Zaqwe, I don't believe you understand what you are doing. So I will put it to an extreme so you understand.
Example: I believe Zaqwe is a rapist.
I don't have proof, but that's what I believe.
End Example.
You are calling someone out in the community with crap for proof. You realize 90%+ of the community WANTS him in those events aka Supply and demand, in this case the supply is his time, and person. There is only one of him. So the higher bidder would be getting the body. I'll admit it myself if Day9 is casting an event, I am probably going to tune in because of that alone. That doesn't just go for Day9 though.
But seriously your groundless comments are things that sometimes you need to keep to yourself. It's fine to have an opinion, but you don't always need to share it. This is one of those times, you shouldn't have shared it.
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Hey Zaqwe did you know day9 posted this in the bw forums recently?
I hope I'm not the only one who did this but...
...I cried when I heard that BW is basically going to fade away. Every memory I can retrieve has BW peppered in there in some way. And now it's just... going to go away? . Blagh. I mean I know I do SC2 but I played BW for TEN YEARS. That's x4 as long as I've done anything SC2 related. The impact and influence it's had on my life is unimaginable. I seriously need to get some massive torrent of every single BW VOD ever. All OGN and MBC stuff so I can watch it as an old man :[.
Gah BW just means so much to me :[
Do you you really think he made this up to take advantage of their emotional attachment to bw so the relatively few people who will see that message will subscribe to him for sc2 content?
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I noticed iNcontroL took a jab at Moletrap and his casting on SotG 68. Before iNcontroL bashes Moletrap he should realize that he is essentially the "Moletrap" of SC2 pros in the opinion of a very large amount of people.
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