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neuromodulator
7 Posts
Scatmango2: 1/ If you don't get offended by people's words, as reflective of ideas and attitudes, I'm not sure what you get offended by. I 2/ I'm not really sure what maturity has to do with it. 3/ I'm not sure what my skin colour has to do with it (although I am white). I can be offended by sexism although I'm not a woman. And I can be offended by people making jokes about black stereotypes being illiterate although I'm not black. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Loved the debate on the article. So much better and more constructive than the article itself. Probably a highlight of SotG to me. Got a bit tired of the embarrassing argument fests. Idra killed that nerd. | ||
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On May 15 2011 05:13 illsick wrote: If it wasn't a TL staff that made a post/article like that, another poster would have been warned and the thread locked. Creating that article pretty much asked for a debate and reaction like this. It would suck for an article to come out that would make fun of BW for the BW fans on the site so I don't know what kind of reaction they expected while releasing it. Should there be an article to say something like BW graphics are old and people should stop watching it and learn to move on instead of clinging to the past? But I agree BW is more established and serious but no need to write an article about it for upsetting much of the community. It's like how people don't like soccer in america as much as other sports but people don't write articles on ESPN sites stating why soccer is inferior to like american football or vice versa; or an article debating how someone can watch bowling pros over soccer pros due to lack of athleticism. It just seems, and the way the article was worded, that the publisher wasn't respectful of the "other" community even if I can agree with article to a certain extent. I dont think it would have been closed. Did you see the refrencing and links in the post? he put a LOT of effort into it. Also he didnt just say "sc2 players suck" He went about it in a proffesional way, and made it certain that he had no affiliation with TL in regards to the article. While he made a controversial post on a controversial article, he went about it in a correct and proffesional manner, if a TL member did the same thing, the outcome would have been the same. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
While he said he prefers the color commentary, he fully acknowledges what is best is a duo mix. It's pretty funny that it pretty much echoed what TB wrote on reddit that stirred up some shit haha. Oh and I totally agree about saying something flat out wrong in a cast. It is very distracting. I've been listening to HD lately (much <3 to HD) and he's completely lost touch with the game. How do you not know KA was removed. It's very disappointing. And I agree about Geoff's take on MLG. I've made a couple posts that it did seem rather skewed in favor of the Koreans. I'm sure MLG seeds them right into the championship bracket since only the championship bracket is casted. They are likely aiming for some of that Korea vs everyone else hype that seemed rather popular for NASL and TSL. I guess the players are screwed on this one. Oh well. Actually, weren't the NASL and TSL Koreans also invites? Haha | ||
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Popss
Sweden176 Posts
On May 15 2011 11:50 neuromodulator wrote: If this is accurate, that's unbelievably gross and any community that accepts/celebrates that is diminished by it. I know no one cares what my opinion is, and it's not like I've been a part of this community anyway, but I would ashamed of myself if I didn't speak up and say, "That's not in any way acceptable." I wouldn't worry about this. I'm sure as e-sports grows and become alot more professional we will see players and casters distance themselves more from the community just as they do in every other sport. In fact I don't understand why EG have not already sent Incontrol to media training because he's way to frank,opinionated and hilarious for a man in his position. It's just a matter of time though and I'm sure everyone is looking forward to it. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 14 2011 23:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote: He doesn't shit on it. You perceiving it that way is typical of how 90%+ of community members read and respond to things. Whenever people read something contrary to their opinions, they take it as more extreme and wide and encompassing than it actually is. Do you take pride in your TSL win back in BW? Do you take any pride in anything you've accomplished in SC2? How would you feel if someone told you it was all meaningless because it was all a complete farce due to the lack of top level Koreans? Now you might be okay with it due to your history with BW providing you with a different perspective on that but we (the exclusively SC2 portion of the site) don't have that and so we read the entire article in a different light then you. Hell an article that provided some of that history explaining just how the system that created many of SC2s top players came about and talked about just how awesome it could be if some of BWs top players switched over, an article that talked about how much history and potential BW held would probably have been quite an interesting read. Instead we got an article about how much competitive SC2 sucks. It's not a matter of us hating it because it held different opinions, it went over so terribly because to a lot of people who aren't from the BW scene it was an article that went out of its way to approach things in a negative light that seemingly took a massive dump on everything accomplished in SC2 so far. Edit: If you want to tell us that SC2 hasn't had as high level play as you had been expecting and that its big names needed to step up their game in every aspect then show us why! Don't just throw around names like Calm, Kal, Leta, Flash, Jaedong and Bisu and expect them to mean anything to us as our response will just be "Why should I care about this Flash guy, I don't watch BW". Link some of their best games, link to hi-light reels, provide us with some basic history about them, give us the ability to at least understand the people to which you're comparing the players we love so negatively to. If you want to say that SC2 teams use terrible training methods then explain why, give us an idea of how the standard BW team practices, explain to us how it came about. If he had just said that the top level play of SC2 was letting him down compared to BW that would be one thing, but to say that everything accomplished on the competitive SC2 scene to date was a farce and then try to explain it using terms and references that mean nothing to a SC2 fan is completely unproductive as what completely rationalized and factual response can there possibly be? Of course the response to that article was going to get heated because the only thing that we can respond to it is with how we feel. | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
Im not attacking idra or saying hes wrong, wc3 players have been disapointing. Lyn and Check both dropped out of Code S this season - lets face it they are. But just thought i would mention viOlet, who has been really un noticed it seems, and untalked about. havent really seen a post about him even. He got into Code A after qualifying first try, and is now in Code S. He has 2 losses this season, he lost to MVP (which is nothing to look down on, MVP has the best or second best TvZ. Aside from MVP, he is 8-0. Look out for him. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On May 15 2011 15:18 TheButtonmen wrote: Edit: If you want to tell us that SC2 hasn't had as high level play as you had been expecting and that its big names needed to step up their game in every aspect then show us why! Don't just throw around names like Calm, Kal, Leta, Flash, Jaedong and Bisu and expect them to mean anything to us as our response will just be "Why should I care about this Flash guy, I don't watch BW". Link some of their best games, link to hi-light reels, provide us with some basic history about them, give us the ability to at least understand the people to which you're comparing the players we love so negatively to. As someone who might be considered on an even lower level than a SC2 player /jk- namely an exclusive SC2 spectator: I am new to the entire scene. I have no extensive knowledge whatsoever, neither about SC:BW nor SC2. But what bothers me about this part of your post is a certain vibe of disrespect and pamperdness. When SC first piqued my interest, not once I assumed someone had to cater me their knowledge. I find it my personal obligation to do the research myself and make use of the archives and tools at hand to educate myself before engaging in any discussion. As a result, I simply refrain from voicing my opinion on matters I couldn't possibly comment on. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On May 15 2011 16:03 rotegirte wrote: As someone who might be considered on an even lower level than a SC2 player /jk- namely an exclusive SC2 spectator: I am new to the entire scene. I have no extensive knowledge whatsoever, neither about SC:BW nor SC2. But what bothers me about this part of your post is a certain vibe of disrespect and pamperdness. When SC first piqued my interest, not once I assumed someone had to cater me their knowledge. I find it my personal obligation to do the research myself and make use of the archives and tools at hand to educate myself before engaging in any discussion. As a result, I simply refrain from voicing my opinion on matters I couldn't possibly comment on. This. It's not our job to teach you 10 years of history. Google exists for a reason. Take the time and brush up on it. Youtube will give you access to vods. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On May 15 2011 16:03 rotegirte wrote: As someone who might be considered on an even lower level than a SC2 player /jk- namely an exclusive SC2 spectator: I am new to the entire scene. I have no extensive knowledge whatsoever, neither about SC:BW nor SC2. But what bothers me about this part of your post is a certain vibe of disrespect and pamperdness. When SC first piqued my interest, not once I assumed someone had to cater me their knowledge. I find it my personal obligation to do the research myself and make use of the archives and tools at hand to educate myself before engaging in any discussion. As a result, I simply refrain from voicing my opinion on matters I couldn't possibly comment on. On May 15 2011 16:04 rysecake wrote: This. It's not our job to teach you 10 years of history. Google exists for a reason. Take the time and brush up on it. Youtube will give you access to vods. I'm not demanding that they cater to us but if they want to call the SC2 scene a farce on the front page news section of teamliquid.net then yes if they don't actually explain what they mean, where they are coming from to the SC2 fans then of course the response is going to be a shit-storm. | ||
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
On May 15 2011 12:02 scatmango2 wrote: How immature are you that you get offended by words. If you were in any way as mature as you probably think you are, you'd realize it's just words and quit being some sort of advocate for something that doesn't offend you because you are probably white. Believe it or not, but saying certain words could even get you banned on the TL forums. Why don't you try them out? | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
I mean, yeah Thorzain played such an impressive load of games during this TSL 3, but still Naniwa is one of the most consistent player out there, and consistency has a reason. Maybe you can just explain that by remembering Tyler is just always skeptical about other protoss and Incontroll is just a thorzain's fan (he said himself). | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 15 2011 18:31 WhiteDog wrote: Just cannot understand how all the SotG crew can just rule out Naniwa's impressive 35-0 bo3 and ALL vote for Thorzain winning the TSL3 Finals. I mean, yeah Thorzain played such an impressive load of games during this TSL 3, but still Naniwa is one of the most consistent player out there, and consistency has a reason. Maybe you can just explain that by remembering Tyler is just always skeptical about other protoss and Incontroll is just a thorzain's fan (he said himself). Well they all voted against him in all the series he played in lol. like beating MC (both were in EU fyi so no latency issues) is huge. Especially in a bo5 and MC is considered the best protoss player. tvt was his worst mu is what he said, Kas's best match up is tvt (I believe he was said too have one of the best tvt's in EU or best or something like that) and thorzain crushed him. I can completely understand their reasoning, and I really do hope thorzain does win as honestly I feel he deserves it with his bracket he had too go through in this TSL. Should be a great finals as thorzain has proved time and time again this tournament, when he can prepare, he prepares very well. ^_^. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1601 Posts
On May 15 2011 18:36 blade55555 wrote: Well they all voted against him in all the series he played in lol. like beating MC (both were in EU fyi so no latency issues) is huge. Especially in a bo5 and MC is considered the best protoss player. tvt was his worst mu is what he said, Kas's best match up is tvt (I believe he was said too have one of the best tvt's in EU or best or something like that) and thorzain crushed him. I can completely understand their reasoning, and I really do hope thorzain does win as honestly I feel he deserves it with his bracket he had too go through in this TSL. Should be a great finals as thorzain has proved time and time again this tournament, when he can prepare, he prepares very well. ^_^. Not even that. Winning the 35-0 bo3 record is nice, but you're not always facing an MC. Throzain on the other hand does seem solid while I feel like if Naniwa wanted to do a 6 gate 1/1 push against thorzain even if thorzain had a solid defense Naniwa would stick to that plan. Though perhaps I'm wrong and he crushes it. Either way the TSL finals will be 50x better than the GSL finals LMFAO. | ||
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Mellois
United States56 Posts
On May 14 2011 23:21 Mailing wrote: How you like this, when you fit into the part he dislikes about the game (i.e. a player who doesn't practice as much as a BW a-teamer), I don't know.... So just because it's negative towards him, he shouldn't like it? I think it's a fairly accurate statement that most SC2 programers practice less than BW A-teamers. He said it actually inspired him to try to practice more which is a good thing! I think it would actually be silly if he tried to say the opposite and defend his current practice style. | ||
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Lizarb
Denmark307 Posts
^^ I loled at that. | ||
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AxelTVx
Canada916 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On May 16 2011 00:22 Axel.Bowex wrote: lol honestly, in my opinion, when IdrA said that he would continue to say what was on his mind, Kennigit looked shocked and wanted to say something, but was in a state of shock that he could not really reply. I'm not going into the EG v TL debate, but I thought that Kennigit should have at least said something in response to IdrA. What would it matter if Kennegit had or didn't have a response anyways? TL is still going to hold Idra to the same standard as now. After the 90 days have passed, if Idra wants to repeat his behavior, his punishment will be repeated. So why drag on the topic on the cast? | ||
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