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corpuscle
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1967 Posts
May 14 2011 19:05 GMT
#21241
On May 15 2011 01:37 Pekkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 01:30 chickensmasher wrote:
Thanks to JP and crew for saving GSL night (release the VOD!).


What did they do?


They did a "viewing party" where they commented on the games. No restreaming, obviously, but a lot of people just muted Tastosis because the games were pretty terrible.
From the void I am born into wave and particle
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
May 14 2011 20:13 GMT
#21242
On May 15 2011 00:28 PlosionCornu wrote:
I honestly don't get all the commotion around that article, he just stated his opinion, which by the way is completely rational, and that's basically it.

He uses some sources to support his point, and it's his freedom to think that bw is more enjoyable for him than sc2, by saying that bw is more estabilished/serious/whatever.
And that's completely TRUE, noone in his right mind is gonna deny that, or else, he's a clown.

Sc2 is only a year old, and even if it "stands" on the shoulders of bw/wc3, it's not there yet (expecially bw ofc).

Noone can blame him for preferring a more enstabilished "activity" over a newer one.

This should be obvious jeez....


If it wasn't a TL staff that made a post/article like that, another poster would have been warned and the thread locked. Creating that article pretty much asked for a debate and reaction like this. It would suck for an article to come out that would make fun of BW for the BW fans on the site so I don't know what kind of reaction they expected while releasing it. Should there be an article to say something like BW graphics are old and people should stop watching it and learn to move on instead of clinging to the past?

But I agree BW is more established and serious but no need to write an article about it for upsetting much of the community. It's like how people don't like soccer in america as much as other sports but people don't write articles on ESPN sites stating why soccer is inferior to like american football or vice versa; or an article debating how someone can watch bowling pros over soccer pros due to lack of athleticism. It just seems, and the way the article was worded, that the publisher wasn't respectful of the "other" community even if I can agree with article to a certain extent.
you live and you learn
Mythian
Profile Joined April 2011
5 Posts
May 14 2011 20:14 GMT
#21243
On May 15 2011 04:05 corpuscle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 01:37 Pekkz wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:30 chickensmasher wrote:
Thanks to JP and crew for saving GSL night (release the VOD!).


What did they do?


They did a "viewing party" where they commented on the games. No restreaming, obviously, but a lot of people just muted Tastosis because the games were pretty terrible.



Is there going to be a vod of this? I unfortunately missed it
SMD
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada627 Posts
May 14 2011 20:19 GMT
#21244
On May 15 2011 05:14 Mythian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 04:05 corpuscle wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:37 Pekkz wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:30 chickensmasher wrote:
Thanks to JP and crew for saving GSL night (release the VOD!).


What did they do?


They did a "viewing party" where they commented on the games. No restreaming, obviously, but a lot of people just muted Tastosis because the games were pretty terrible.



Is there going to be a vod of this? I unfortunately missed it


I dont think so, think JP decided not too, as there were some interesting things said on stream.....eg. iNcontrol doing commentaring in a native american voice.
Mataru
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway356 Posts
May 14 2011 20:23 GMT
#21245
On May 15 2011 05:19 SMD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:14 Mythian wrote:
On May 15 2011 04:05 corpuscle wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:37 Pekkz wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:30 chickensmasher wrote:
Thanks to JP and crew for saving GSL night (release the VOD!).


What did they do?


They did a "viewing party" where they commented on the games. No restreaming, obviously, but a lot of people just muted Tastosis because the games were pretty terrible.



Is there going to be a vod of this? I unfortunately missed it


I dont think so, think JP decided not too, as there were some interesting things said on stream.....eg. iNcontrol doing commentaring in a native american voice.


Damn it I overslept and missed the finals. Looked at the results and figured I didn't miss much but this sounds awesome >_<
Proud citizen of ESPORTS
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
May 14 2011 20:30 GMT
#21246
On May 15 2011 05:23 Mataru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:19 SMD wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:14 Mythian wrote:
On May 15 2011 04:05 corpuscle wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:37 Pekkz wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:30 chickensmasher wrote:
Thanks to JP and crew for saving GSL night (release the VOD!).


What did they do?


They did a "viewing party" where they commented on the games. No restreaming, obviously, but a lot of people just muted Tastosis because the games were pretty terrible.



Is there going to be a vod of this? I unfortunately missed it


I dont think so, think JP decided not too, as there were some interesting things said on stream.....eg. iNcontrol doing commentaring in a native american voice.


Damn it I overslept and missed the finals. Looked at the results and figured I didn't miss much but this sounds awesome >_<


I really want to see this now lol
daedelus
Profile Joined October 2010
United States13 Posts
May 14 2011 20:57 GMT
#21247
On May 15 2011 05:30 GwSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:23 Mataru wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:19 SMD wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:14 Mythian wrote:
On May 15 2011 04:05 corpuscle wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:37 Pekkz wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:30 chickensmasher wrote:
Thanks to JP and crew for saving GSL night (release the VOD!).


What did they do?


They did a "viewing party" where they commented on the games. No restreaming, obviously, but a lot of people just muted Tastosis because the games were pretty terrible.



Is there going to be a vod of this? I unfortunately missed it


I dont think so, think JP decided not too, as there were some interesting things said on stream.....eg. iNcontrol doing commentaring in a native american voice.


Damn it I overslept and missed the finals. Looked at the results and figured I didn't miss much but this sounds awesome >_<


I really want to see this now lol

I missed this also(fell asleep and friend didn't wake me up...jerk). I hope someone recorded it and can post it or they decide to release it. I heard iNcontrol was on fire with his impersonations. JP please post it!
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
May 14 2011 22:00 GMT
#21248
I can't believe this hasn't been raised, but is Idra's girlfriend going to MLG Columbus?
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-14 22:06:29
May 14 2011 22:05 GMT
#21249
On May 15 2011 07:00 MCDayC wrote:
I can't believe this hasn't been raised, but is Idra's girlfriend going to MLG Columbus?


Uh pretty sure Machine is competing too so obviously he'll be there...
=O
VirtuosoZ
Profile Joined October 2010
United States31 Posts
May 14 2011 23:04 GMT
#21250
On May 15 2011 05:57 daedelus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:30 GwSC wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:23 Mataru wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:19 SMD wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:14 Mythian wrote:
On May 15 2011 04:05 corpuscle wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:37 Pekkz wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:30 chickensmasher wrote:
Thanks to JP and crew for saving GSL night (release the VOD!).


What did they do?


They did a "viewing party" where they commented on the games. No restreaming, obviously, but a lot of people just muted Tastosis because the games were pretty terrible.



Is there going to be a vod of this? I unfortunately missed it


I dont think so, think JP decided not too, as there were some interesting things said on stream.....eg. iNcontrol doing commentaring in a native american voice.


Damn it I overslept and missed the finals. Looked at the results and figured I didn't miss much but this sounds awesome >_<


I really want to see this now lol

I missed this also(fell asleep and friend didn't wake me up...jerk). I hope someone recorded it and can post it or they decide to release it. I heard iNcontrol was on fire with his impersonations. JP please post it!

yea... my friend and I had some drinks before the GSL Finals started. well, he fell asleep, and I had GSL/JP's Viewing Party on while I wondered around WoW. Then I got distracted by herbalism for 3 hrs... kinda forgot to wake him up. Sorry, bro.

Anyway, the Viewing Party was hilarious!!! In hindsight, I feel really bad that some people missed it. some highlights:

- iNcontroL's blatantly offensive black slave StarCraft caster impression: "uh uh, dat dere playa? well dat's EG IdrA! An' he be playin' against... uh, I dunno, massa. I dun' read too good"

- Sundance DiGiovanni giving out his email live on air and getting mass trolled.

- the different types of MLG players: SC2 players (mild-mannered), Halo players (get in fist fights after the matches), and Smash Bros players (bring handguns to the tournaments)

- iNcontroL calling Hot_Bid "Kennigit" all night long (because his name is Ken???)

- IdrA acknowledging he won't be able to complain about zerg imbalance anymore, since they now have 3 GSL victories.

- iNcontroL's great native american Taco Bell prank call: "Greetings. My name Chief Running Buffalo. I need 35 tacos for my people. We will arrive on the day of the great feast of the moon. [uh, ok... so when are you coming in?] The sacred feast of the moon is well-known among my people. [yeah, ok, I'm not one of your people...]"

- will Anna's annoying State of the Game cameos cost her Miss USA votes? does she really care? ♥
There is no "high Diamond/low Masters" league. If you're Diamond, you're Diamond. That's it.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
May 15 2011 00:36 GMT
#21251
WTF kennigit is WHITE??? i thought he was that asian guy in his profile
zerglingsfolife
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1694 Posts
May 15 2011 00:46 GMT
#21252
On May 15 2011 05:13 illsick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 00:28 PlosionCornu wrote:
I honestly don't get all the commotion around that article, he just stated his opinion, which by the way is completely rational, and that's basically it.

He uses some sources to support his point, and it's his freedom to think that bw is more enjoyable for him than sc2, by saying that bw is more estabilished/serious/whatever.
And that's completely TRUE, noone in his right mind is gonna deny that, or else, he's a clown.

Sc2 is only a year old, and even if it "stands" on the shoulders of bw/wc3, it's not there yet (expecially bw ofc).

Noone can blame him for preferring a more enstabilished "activity" over a newer one.

This should be obvious jeez....


If it wasn't a TL staff that made a post/article like that, another poster would have been warned and the thread locked. Creating that article pretty much asked for a debate and reaction like this. It would suck for an article to come out that would make fun of BW for the BW fans on the site so I don't know what kind of reaction they expected while releasing it. Should there be an article to say something like BW graphics are old and people should stop watching it and learn to move on instead of clinging to the past?

But I agree BW is more established and serious but no need to write an article about it for upsetting much of the community. It's like how people don't like soccer in america as much as other sports but people don't write articles on ESPN sites stating why soccer is inferior to like american football or vice versa; or an article debating how someone can watch bowling pros over soccer pros due to lack of athleticism. It just seems, and the way the article was worded, that the publisher wasn't respectful of the "other" community even if I can agree with article to a certain extent.


As people have said, if someone wrote that nice of an article with stats, pictures, quotes from players and interviews they would probably be looked at for the SC2 writing staff.

And yes, there are plenty of editorials on sports sites here in the US that people have on why they can't get into soccer.
Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crown and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness.
Hatorade
Profile Joined July 2010
299 Posts
May 15 2011 02:19 GMT
#21253
Should get Grubby as a guest one of these weeks!
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
May 15 2011 02:25 GMT
#21254
On May 15 2011 08:04 VirtuosoZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2011 05:57 daedelus wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:30 GwSC wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:23 Mataru wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:19 SMD wrote:
On May 15 2011 05:14 Mythian wrote:
On May 15 2011 04:05 corpuscle wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:37 Pekkz wrote:
On May 15 2011 01:30 chickensmasher wrote:
Thanks to JP and crew for saving GSL night (release the VOD!).


What did they do?


They did a "viewing party" where they commented on the games. No restreaming, obviously, but a lot of people just muted Tastosis because the games were pretty terrible.



Is there going to be a vod of this? I unfortunately missed it


I dont think so, think JP decided not too, as there were some interesting things said on stream.....eg. iNcontrol doing commentaring in a native american voice.


Damn it I overslept and missed the finals. Looked at the results and figured I didn't miss much but this sounds awesome >_<


I really want to see this now lol

I missed this also(fell asleep and friend didn't wake me up...jerk). I hope someone recorded it and can post it or they decide to release it. I heard iNcontrol was on fire with his impersonations. JP please post it!

yea... my friend and I had some drinks before the GSL Finals started. well, he fell asleep, and I had GSL/JP's Viewing Party on while I wondered around WoW. Then I got distracted by herbalism for 3 hrs... kinda forgot to wake him up. Sorry, bro.

Anyway, the Viewing Party was hilarious!!! In hindsight, I feel really bad that some people missed it. some highlights:

- iNcontroL's blatantly offensive black slave StarCraft caster impression: "uh uh, dat dere playa? well dat's EG IdrA! An' he be playin' against... uh, I dunno, massa. I dun' read too good"

- Sundance DiGiovanni giving out his email live on air and getting mass trolled.

- the different types of MLG players: SC2 players (mild-mannered), Halo players (get in fist fights after the matches), and Smash Bros players (bring handguns to the tournaments)

- iNcontroL calling Hot_Bid "Kennigit" all night long (because his name is Ken???)

- IdrA acknowledging he won't be able to complain about zerg imbalance anymore, since they now have 3 GSL victories.

- iNcontroL's great native american Taco Bell prank call: "Greetings. My name Chief Running Buffalo. I need 35 tacos for my people. We will arrive on the day of the great feast of the moon. [uh, ok... so when are you coming in?] The sacred feast of the moon is well-known among my people. [yeah, ok, I'm not one of your people...]"

- will Anna's annoying State of the Game cameos cost her Miss USA votes? does she really care? ♥

JPs live party saved that finals for me, and allowed me to finally fall asleep at 5am with some peace of mind, not having wasted my entire night.

Also worth noting was inControL picking out random blogs and threads to be trolled by all those watching, and Hot_Bid's quick thread closing apm
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Noak3
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States236 Posts
May 15 2011 02:28 GMT
#21255
On May 15 2011 00:22 NoXious90 wrote:
The flow of the podcast is MUCH better when Sean isn't there. He's obnoxious and unfunny most of the time and doesn't provide any interesting insight.


---->Wat.<-----
Love and be kind in the face of adversity. If you stand up for others, they will stand up for you.
neuromodulator
Profile Joined September 2010
7 Posts
May 15 2011 02:50 GMT
#21256
- iNcontroL's blatantly offensive black slave StarCraft caster impression: "uh uh, dat dere playa? well dat's EG IdrA! An' he be playin' against... uh, I dunno, massa. I dun' read too good"


If this is accurate, that's unbelievably gross and any community that accepts/celebrates that is diminished by it. I know no one cares what my opinion is, and it's not like I've been a part of this community anyway, but I would ashamed of myself if I didn't speak up and say, "That's not in any way acceptable."
scatmango2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States408 Posts
May 15 2011 03:02 GMT
#21257
On May 15 2011 11:50 neuromodulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
- iNcontroL's blatantly offensive black slave StarCraft caster impression: "uh uh, dat dere playa? well dat's EG IdrA! An' he be playin' against... uh, I dunno, massa. I dun' read too good"


If this is accurate, that's unbelievably gross and any community that accepts/celebrates that is diminished by it. I know no one cares what my opinion is, and it's not like I've been a part of this community anyway, but I would ashamed of myself if I didn't speak up and say, "That's not in any way acceptable."


How immature are you that you get offended by words. If you were in any way as mature as you probably think you are, you'd realize it's just words and quit being some sort of advocate for something that doesn't offend you because you are probably white.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
May 15 2011 03:06 GMT
#21258
On May 15 2011 11:50 neuromodulator wrote:
Show nested quote +
- iNcontroL's blatantly offensive black slave StarCraft caster impression: "uh uh, dat dere playa? well dat's EG IdrA! An' he be playin' against... uh, I dunno, massa. I dun' read too good"


If this is accurate, that's unbelievably gross and any community that accepts/celebrates that is diminished by it. I know no one cares what my opinion is, and it's not like I've been a part of this community anyway, but I would ashamed of myself if I didn't speak up and say, "That's not in any way acceptable."

i would say you should be ashamed of yourself for passing judgment on hearsay
Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
May 15 2011 03:07 GMT
#21259
On May 14 2011 23:57 Euronyme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 23:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
On May 14 2011 16:11 corpuscle wrote:
I don't understand how the fact/opinion that BW players are "better" than the current SC2 players somehow invalidates the game.

intrigue doesn't say it invalidates the game. He's speaking for his personal viewing experience

Millions of people watch college football despite the players in the NFL being objectively better; what matters is that players are providing content good enough to be entertaining, not that they're providing something that's the absolute best possible.

He recognizes that a ton of people enjoy SC2 and that his opinion won't be popular so I can't imagine how you think this could be making a fresh point. In fact, you saying this just seems to reinforce that you totally missed what perspective he's writing from. The relevant question here is whether there are any NFL fans who don't like watching NCAA because the players and teams are worse, and the answer is of course yes.

If you don't like it, fine, that's your prerogative, but there's no reason to shit on SC2 just because it's a different game.

He doesn't shit on it. You perceiving it that way is typical of how 90%+ of community members read and respond to things. Whenever people read something contrary to their opinions, they take it as more extreme and wide and encompassing than it actually is, and then take a shit on some made up argument that's a product of their poor comprehension and misguided passion.

I think you'd be fucking stupid as hell to argue that in 12 years there won't be dominant players like Flash and Jaedong and whatnot in SC2, and it's just not fair to try to compare the games because SC2 is still in its infancy.

In SC1's infancy, there weren't progamers in other games setting an example for how SC1 players should approach progaming. SC1 pros invented the system that has worked so well. SC2 comes out and we can look at SC1 pros to know how to be the best progamers we can be. If a new musical instrument or sport was invented, it could instantly have training and practice schedules about as good as any other instrument or sport, just by looking at how musicians and athletes generally train. Well, SC2 pros have collectively decided to train sub-optimally and it shows. If you don't have an eye for it, then it doesn't bother you, and you probably doubt that it's possible that anyone can have an eye for such a thing. So if you do have an eye for it, maybe you write an editorial about it, doing your best to explain the phenomenon that is cursing your SC2 spectator experience.


Right. But still, was this really, really needed to be posted and front paged three days before the TSL finals?

As far as I can recall, the thread didn't really go too far into the practise situation in SC2. It touched it, sure, but mainly it was just about how bad SC2 players are in comparison to BW players. The layout of the thread is to first show how bad SC2 players are, and then to show how good BW players are, and throw in quotes from their coaches to prove it.

My take on it is that SC2 right now is the best it can be, however as with almost every other task that any human being's ever done, there will be someone who's better at it sometime in the future.

Is it really valid to call the SC2 scene a farce (once again, right before a TSL finals) because at some arbitrary point in the future there might be players who are better at SC2 than there's now?
To me it just sounds like he's venting, and that doesn't really deserve a first page spot imho, as it just further divides the SC2 and SC:BW communities on the site.

Edit: He also never really speaks from his own point of view. He states everything as fact, not as his opinion, which further increases the flame value as some people don't agree.

Personally I just think it's unnecessary, and something he just as well could've kept for himself. I think it just might cause a few people to lose interest in watching the game and that's about it.

Edit x2: Also he assumes that players can't possibly change things up after a year. The BW stats were taken over a year ago, and are applied to what they are now.
I know I was way worse at SC2 a year ago.. I didn't even play it, but that doesn't mean I'm bad, because I was bad then... I just don't see the logic.

I don't understand this. Why does his opinion and article have to change the way you view SC2? Did you really think you were already watching SC2 at the highest level it will achieve? If I thought that, I would already be back playing BW.

It's awesome that SC2 has so much more potential for an amazing player to come take advantage of. This will guarantee that SC2 stays fresh, and that strategies and the gameplay will change as players become able to execute more difficult actions.

How can you say that he should have kept his opinions to himself? He wrote a great article and had a lot of support for his points. Whether they are opinionated or not, at least he backed his opinions up with facts.

I think what has happened is that this article has offended many people, but because it was well thought out and well written, people cannot attack what the article says. Instead they are attacking who wrote the article, and complaining that the article shouldn't have been written in the first place.

I thought it was a great read, and I still love SC2. What is the big deal?
Le BucheRON
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada619 Posts
May 15 2011 03:12 GMT
#21260
is there anyway to hear this ridiculousness? I watched the GSL vods today, and was thoroughly underwhelmed.
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