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Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
August 14 2010 20:15 GMT
#161
if dimaga switches, and cool and freedom also switches, seth has also done so, there is what ? Idra left and sen ? : /
Yes I am
Gingerninja
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1339 Posts
August 14 2010 20:15 GMT
#162
Just watched the Jinro v Dimaga on HD's channel about 10 mins ago, awesome game. Shame if players start switching already. and to think I was considering going Zerg because all my friends play Terran.. not for balance issues but purely because of the fact it's a Terran SP. My friend has stated when HotS is out next year then he'll switch to Zerg and then a year later he's going to switch to Protoss.
戦いの中に答えはある
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 14 2010 20:16 GMT
#163
On August 15 2010 04:49 NuKedUFirst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.


APM isn't the issue. Just because 1 player spams between hotkeys more then another doesn't make him a better player. Zerg has to deal with the timings and when to make what.

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On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?

All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified.


I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style.


Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent.


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On August 15 2010 04:48 floor exercise wrote:
On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM.

zerg sucks in Korea too


FOR SURE
http://sc2ranks.com/

Do you have a source or are you trying to prove a point? IdrA was playing protoss when warp in was completely imbalanced. I don't think it was a "OP / UP" problem. If so please state the source.


The ladder doesn't really matter. It is the tournaments. There aren't many reported but I take Idra's word.

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Game 4 - oGsEnsnare (T) > hanniblePrime (T)
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imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
August 14 2010 20:16 GMT
#164
On August 15 2010 05:12 schisch wrote:
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On August 15 2010 05:10 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?


what the fuck are you talking about
isnt cool and freedom switching their races not enough to you


lol 2 people


well they have actually been the best 2 korean zerg people
schisch
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany123 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 20:17:47
August 14 2010 20:17 GMT
#165
On August 15 2010 05:16 imperator-xy wrote:
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On August 15 2010 05:12 schisch wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:10 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?


what the fuck are you talking about
isnt cool and freedom switching their races not enough to you


lol 2 people


well they have actually been the best 2 korean zerg people


and? the whole EU and US community cries
korean doesnt and i see alot more zergs than terra or protoss here
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
August 14 2010 20:18 GMT
#166
On August 15 2010 05:15 Buffy wrote:
if dimaga switches, and cool and freedom also switches, seth has also done so, there is what ? Idra left and sen ? : /

There is always MadFrog.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
August 14 2010 20:18 GMT
#167
this is an overreaction imo. even idra in interview said that dimaga started to screw up his own mental game and let "imba" nonsense get in his head and then he started playing "weird" aka more all ins and aggro that fizzles out.

and i thought cnc players were the most massive rts whining community out there, in sc people have to publicly announce they're whining on a sponsored team?

perhaps blizzard has not done anything...because the game is pretty close to balanced? Just imagine this were Brood War, without the pro scene and other things, with the type of whining in the SC2 community they already would have nerfed science vessels, defilers, etc. in brood war just due to massive public opinion - even if it was wrong.

not saying the game is perfectly balanced right now, but the game has barely been out a month, not all the options have been exhausted, not every timing has been hit or found out. Still more to learn.
Sup
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 20:18:52
August 14 2010 20:18 GMT
#168
On August 15 2010 05:17 schisch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 05:16 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:12 schisch wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:10 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?


what the fuck are you talking about
isnt cool and freedom switching their races not enough to you


lol 2 people


well they have actually been the best 2 korean zerg people


korean doesnt


what
imperator-xy
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Germany1377 Posts
August 14 2010 20:19 GMT
#169
On August 15 2010 05:15 Buffy wrote:
if dimaga switches, and cool and freedom also switches, seth has also done so, there is what ? Idra left and sen ? : /


yes if dimaga switches its only idra and sen :/
schisch
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany123 Posts
August 14 2010 20:19 GMT
#170
On August 15 2010 05:18 imperator-xy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 05:17 schisch wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:16 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:12 schisch wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:10 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?


what the fuck are you talking about
isnt cool and freedom switching their races not enough to you


lol 2 people


well they have actually been the best 2 korean zerg people


korean doesnt


what


stop editing my post i reported u
NonFactor
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden698 Posts
August 14 2010 20:19 GMT
#171
On August 15 2010 05:00 VanGarde wrote:
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On August 15 2010 04:56 purerythem wrote:
i've been watching trump's stream the past couple weeks and I just laugh every time he plays against a zerg. He literally 1a's his way to victory almost every game. He usually has to deal with simple muta harass, but after his thors and tanks / mm ball come out, its almost sad how easy it is. People scream over and over than the way to beat T is to harass them to death, but really, the comparative apm and overall game management required between Z and T is insane.

If dimaga does switch to T and is successful at it, it will be one of those sad but funny moments as he can now 1a his way to victory.

Would be equally interesting to see him not improving at all and see what all the QQ will make of that.



Yeah I agree lol.

Morrow says that he got destroyed by Dimaga, and Idra still keeps winning games too. The problem here isn't only that Zerg has a tough time handling the 39439 openings P and especially T can do, it's also the fact that Zerg is generally a much harder race to play and win with. I wish I could just mass storm the shit out of everything. Or get a good position and watch everything get destroyed by range 13 stuff.

As a Zerg, I can't do some cute timing attack or a cute BO that throws my opponent off balance. I'm too easily scouted and too easily countered. I'm always on the recieving end, and my macro mechanics are way more unforgiving and even in every battle I always am at dis-advantage and need to rely on superior macro and superior tactics to win. While my opponent rolls in with a ball of death. Be it mass storm, mass tank, mass colossus etc. At the same time I need to worry about droning and unit producing. If I do something too much, I'm in danger of losing entirely because of it. If I happen to get it right, great.

This all is fine with me. I don't mind being in the ''defensive'' role. I just want things to be balanced. I've just noticed that as a Zerg, I hardly can win by just busting their base. Mainly because of my relatively immobile army. Roaches and Speedlings are mobile, but too bad you need Hydralisks which off creep are horrible. The only offensive attack I can do 95% of my games is after I destroyed their army entirely, and hope they don't have enough to defend. But Siege tanks on ramps, colossus, storm, force field etc are all great ways to deflect a counter from Zerg.

So on in otherwords, I usually win by starving the T or P. But if they happen to win a battle, they will roll up my natural, set up camp and destroy my units that spawn from larvas before they can regroup.

For the swarm!...
kajeus
Profile Joined May 2010
United States679 Posts
August 14 2010 20:20 GMT
#172
On August 15 2010 05:17 schisch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2010 05:16 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:12 schisch wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:10 imperator-xy wrote:
On August 15 2010 05:07 schisch wrote:
why do the korean people dont whine about zerg?


what the fuck are you talking about
isnt cool and freedom switching their races not enough to you


lol 2 people


well they have actually been the best 2 korean zerg people


and? the whole EU and US community cries
korean doesnt and i see alot more zergs than terra or protoss here

Uh... you're lying?

Zergs are less numerous on the Korean server than any other server, proportionally. It's like 18% zerg.
pro-MoMaN, pro-HuK, pro-Millenium
SyN_FiR3
Profile Joined May 2010
United States85 Posts
August 14 2010 20:20 GMT
#173
I'm glad for this, apparently it takes many many progamers saying the same thing for Blizzard to wake up. The patch will happen, just when is the question...
"How 'bout changin' a line cause it don't make sense..."
MichaelJLowell
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States610 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 20:29:01
August 14 2010 20:21 GMT
#174
I thought this was the forum where people play the hell out of Starcraft and render it a science? Right now, I just see a bunch of people complaining about a matchup where no Zergs play for Contaminate, Nydus Worms, and Burrow in a phase of the game's competitive history where the raw mechanical ability of players is still very weak.

The game is two weeks into its retail phase. It'd be one thing to spend the next year exhausting every strategy and giving up. It's another to dismiss your available options because they "don't appear to work".
http://www.learntocounter.com - I'm a "known troll" so please disconnect your kid's computer when I am on the forums.
Competent
Profile Joined April 2010
United States406 Posts
August 14 2010 20:21 GMT
#175
Oh hello thar? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Invitational_Tournaments

Took Terran 3 months to learn styles of play to beat Zerg's 1a2a3a. I suggest Zerg players get on the ball and do the same?
Nurrrhhh, I'm gonna be A+ by Wendsday! -Day[9] "I'm going to spread out my lings so it looks like there is more. Lots of animals do that." -CatZ
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
August 14 2010 20:22 GMT
#176
Anyone who watched DIMAGA's games against White-Ra (The other ones also.) in the 'King of the Beta' tournament; knows that DIMAGA has problem with playing Zerg at the moment. He was just trying to do these All-in busts every game.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Orange Goblin
Profile Joined May 2010
218 Posts
August 14 2010 20:22 GMT
#177
On August 15 2010 04:29 Assault_1 wrote:
wow so lame.. switching to the "imba" race just so its easier?

blizz is still patching stuff

what about idra.. he switched from t to z?


As a pro gamer, why would you play with an inferior race? Think about it for a second, it makes no sense. This is your job.

Imagine getting a contract for digging at at construction site. You start using a excavator, suddenly some dude comes up to you and says "Olololol! Why don't you use a shovel? The excavator is so imba!"

That's pretty much what you're saying.

Also, Idra switched pretty much right away, right when the beta started. Zerg was awesome back then (people still have wet dreams about early beta Roach).
Ruthless
Profile Joined August 2008
United States492 Posts
August 14 2010 20:23 GMT
#178
Maybe its cultural differences as to how they express their feelings on imbalance. Being loud and bold about oppinions seems to me like it could be more acceptable in america. The poll does well enough at showing korea thinks t is strong anyway.
DreXxiN
Profile Joined July 2010
United States494 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 20:29:27
August 14 2010 20:23 GMT
#179
Boxer: "God everyone says terran is IMBA and I'm not doing very good in the first 15 days...Screw this I'm switching back to the more powerful protoss!"

.......SC community (Yes, you pros too.) What have you become. *Sigh*

EDIT: Imba in the "weak" way obviously. (T was "useless" race on release for those that didn't know, even when it remained unchanged people started getting really good with it when it wasn't believable)

Maybe Idra will be our Zerg Boxer....I think that'll support his "Job" way more than playing the flavor of the month race.

You think boxer would have been near as cool and well paid if he stuck with reaver harassment every game?
iEchoic
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1776 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-14 20:25:38
August 14 2010 20:24 GMT
#180
On August 15 2010 05:18 avilo wrote:and i thought cnc players were the most massive rts whining community out there, in sc people have to publicly announce they're whining on a sponsored team?


Agreed, I come from AoE and the community is so much more mature than this one. The balance problems were far worse in AoE but the good players who played the weaker races took it as a creative challenge. On SC2 the good players take it as an opportunity to find excuses for themselves. It really is disappointing and a huge turn off from this game. I think the people who say SC has the greatest community are either wrong or I just am not seeing it.
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