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Not surprised at all. This was to be expected. More and more pros jumping to the conclusion that there is something wrong with Zerg, yet there are people blindly who just deny the imbalance ever existing.
I sometimes too get really frustrated playing Zerg because of how easy it is for P and especially T to play against them. It's really too bad since I love the concept of the race.
Also, people who keep saying that Z are top in Korea etc, are wrong. I'm pretty sure Idra already established that most recent Tournaments have been more or less Terran dominated. Zerg were good during beta phases, but once they got figured out and the massive flexibility of T and P against Z was discovered, it's been going downhill, fast.
Makes me sad. >=[
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Damn that is sad seeing how he was one the zerg that made you think maybe zerg isn't so under powerd....
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Aww to bad... But when a balance patch will nerf terran and buff zerg, will Dimaga switch back to zerg?
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is there way to translate this page?
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how to balance terran: remove MBS, auto-mine, infinite unit select for Terran only.
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On August 15 2010 04:56 purerythem wrote:
i've been watching trump's stream the past couple weeks and I just laugh every time he plays against a zerg. He literally 1a's his way to victory almost every game. He usually has to deal with simple muta harass, but after his thors and tanks / mm ball come out, its almost sad how easy it is. People scream over and over than the way to beat T is to harass them to death, but really, the comparative apm and overall game management required between Z and T is insane.
If dimaga does switch to T and is successful at it, it will be one of those sad but funny moments as he can now 1a his way to victory.
Would be equally interesting to see him not improving at all and see what all the QQ will make of that.
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wow ur dumb nokaru or w/e ur name is
idra orig played protoss because he thought it was the best, then he experiemeted with the other races, and found out that zerg fitted his playstyle the best (macro) so he switched to that. he wasnt changing race because of balance, but simply because of how the race plays
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On August 15 2010 04:16 Puosu wrote:
Blizzard is taking their time for a reason, they're looking for the best possible changes they can make and not hasty ones like they had in the beta where they could afford to make mistakes. However it probably wont take more than a few weeks for the next balance patch to come out and that's probably less time than it would take for Dimaga to reach the same skill level as he has with zerg. (skill level, not rating boosted by being able to abuse terran) GOM being partners with Blizzard it makes sense for Blizzard to try to iron the balance before the tournament starts.
I guess I do understand his concerns though, but imo. any race switching because of current imbalance(s) is overreacting before we reach a point Blizzard decides to start concentrating on another RTS title, the game will be changing at such a pace that if you follow the newest balance trend all the time its just going to be ridiculous and detrimental to one's skill level.
Couldent agree more, and the last sentance is more then true. Blizzard cant overreact if they did we would have tons of patches every year.
Patches will happen and I dont think it will take more time then Dimanga to master the T race.
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Tier 1.5 Lurker! I kid myself ;(
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On August 15 2010 04:54 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:49 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM. APM isn't the issue. Just because 1 player spams between hotkeys more then another doesn't make him a better player. Zerg has to deal with the timings and when to make what. On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?
All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified. I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style. Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent. On August 15 2010 04:48 floor exercise wrote:On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM. zerg sucks in Korea too FOR SURE http://sc2ranks.com/ Do you have a source or are you trying to prove a point? IdrA was playing protoss when warp in was completely imbalanced. I don't think it was a "OP / UP" problem. If so please state the source. http://www.playxp.com/sc2/jingjing/This is how the Korean community feels about zerg
Red one is Zerg(저그). Green is Terran(테란). Blue is toss(프로토스). Purple (?) is none(없음;I think its all good.)
This is a poll on which race do you think is the weakest. Longer bar means more vote on the race.
The latest poll shows 67.2% zerg (86 votes), 14.1% Terran (18 votes), 16.4% Protoss (21 votes) and can't see on the purple.
Just in case people cant read Korean 
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guys its not like dimaga sucks with zerg and he can win tournaments with zerg. but he understands that it is so much easier to win with terran. when he plays zerg he has to work so much harder to keep up and that does take its toll.
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Please Blizzard! DO SOMETHING! D:
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Ok.. could you give us non-korean a hint, what they are talking about?
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On August 15 2010 05:01 cive wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:54 floor exercise wrote:On August 15 2010 04:49 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM. APM isn't the issue. Just because 1 player spams between hotkeys more then another doesn't make him a better player. Zerg has to deal with the timings and when to make what. On August 15 2010 04:45 Nokarot wrote:On August 15 2010 04:43 NuKedUFirst wrote:On August 15 2010 04:41 Nokarot wrote:
You guys all remember that Idra was Protoss early-beta, right? And he switched to Zerg because, at the time, they were the strongest race, right?
All of you are making it out to seem like this is an unspeakable act and/or that your heroes haven't done it before. Dimaga is right- it's his job, and he needs to produce results. If he and his employers think that Terran is the best option, its within their power and reasonably justified. I don't see how IdrA's switch is relevant. It's not like anyone just goes "hey im going to play zerg" without trying it out first. He tried every race and chose what best suited his style. Except he played Protoss primarily, for a decent period of time, and then publically stated that he was switching to zerg because protoss was underpowered and zerg was really strong. So yes, its completely relevent. On August 15 2010 04:48 floor exercise wrote:On August 15 2010 04:46 Iggyhopper wrote:
Skill gap people, skill gap. Korean player are indeed top players in a list, but that is because they have the amazing APM and skills to actually make Zerg a good race to play as. Doesn't mean that Zerg is balanced, or isn't having trouble in the other 99% of players that can barely manage a 220 APM. zerg sucks in Korea too FOR SURE http://sc2ranks.com/ Do you have a source or are you trying to prove a point? IdrA was playing protoss when warp in was completely imbalanced. I don't think it was a "OP / UP" problem. If so please state the source. http://www.playxp.com/sc2/jingjing/This is how the Korean community feels about zerg Red one is Zerg. Green is Terran. Blue is toss. Purple (?) is none(I think its all good.) Just in case people cant read Korean
Wait so is the graph telling us that people think Zerg is OP or what does the percentages mean?
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On August 15 2010 05:00 Brad wrote:
Tier 1.5 Lurker! I kid myself ;(
That or T3 Lurker with Dark Swarm or Spore Cloud.
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On August 15 2010 04:59 AlBundy wrote:
Aww to bad... But when a balance patch will nerf terran and buff zerg, will Dimaga switch back to zerg?
It's more like... Dimaga is calling out Blizzard to fix up Zerg. He's been a Zerg player forever, he's not going to easily switch races and play whatever is good. Dimaga has a financial responsibility to win though, so it's entirely reasonable for him to switch to Terran while it's OP and go back to Zerg (which he is most comfortable with).
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On August 15 2010 04:38 Brad wrote:
Ladder doesn't really mean anything to a player the caliber of DIMAGA. He has a 74% win percentage on the ladder. This is about tournament play.
Yep. Laddering against a bunch of diamond scrubs doesnt mean anything. Im sure his hardest matches are the ones he plays in custom games.
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I'm wondering what blizzard can do to balance out zerg, I'm still doing pretty well in plat so I can imagine how bad it could be in diamond
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On August 15 2010 04:58 NonFactor wrote:
Not surprised at all. This was to be expected. More and more pros jumping to the conclusion that there is something wrong with Zerg, yet there are people blindly who just deny the imbalance ever existing.
I sometimes too get really frustrated playing Zerg because of how easy it is for P and especially T to play against them. It's really too bad since I love the concept of the race.
Also, people who keep saying that Z are top in Korea etc, are wrong. I'm pretty sure Idra already established that most recent Tournaments have been more or less Terran dominated. Zerg were good during beta phases, but once they got figured out and the massive flexibility of T and P against Z was discovered, it's been going downhill, fast.
Makes me sad. >=[
ZvP is actually in Z favor if Z can survive to ultras or broodlords. P really has no good answers. The balance is Z<P midgame and P<Z in lategame.
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On August 15 2010 04:59 purerythem wrote:is there way to translate this page?
It's something like "vote for whatever race you feel is underpowered - once a day." Trends the balance pretty well.
On August 15 2010 05:05 hacpee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2010 04:58 NonFactor wrote:
Not surprised at all. This was to be expected. More and more pros jumping to the conclusion that there is something wrong with Zerg, yet there are people blindly who just deny the imbalance ever existing.
I sometimes too get really frustrated playing Zerg because of how easy it is for P and especially T to play against them. It's really too bad since I love the concept of the race.
Also, people who keep saying that Z are top in Korea etc, are wrong. I'm pretty sure Idra already established that most recent Tournaments have been more or less Terran dominated. Zerg were good during beta phases, but once they got figured out and the massive flexibility of T and P against Z was discovered, it's been going downhill, fast.
Makes me sad. >=[
ZvP is actually in Z favor if Z can survive to ultras or broodlords. P really has no good answers. The balance is Z<P midgame and P<Z in lategame.
I agree with this. ZvP is fairly well balanced; good FF micro is extremely powerful vs Zerg ground army, so most Zergs rush 2base ultras and try to survive.
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